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Donny · 05-01-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

Maybe it's your cute baby face but you don't look anywhere near 40.

What is your point? I'm hoping you're not saying that you think I wrote this, as that would prove you didn't read the post before replying.

jimmyf · 05-01-2005, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Funny how sometimes you hear stories.. ONLY on the internet...!? Wouldnt the media be all over this if that was true...? Are those ex-soldiers ready to pass a lie detector test? Is this another swiftboat crap... ?

Priceless!

You sir are the priceless one!!!

BVF · 05-01-2005, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"

Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.

WOW....I'm just now reading this...I don't believe that she would do something like this. If she did, that's FUCKED UP.

All I thought she did was take a picture on the gook's weapons or something.

BVF · 05-01-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

What is your point? I'm hoping you're not saying that you think I wrote this, as that would prove you didn't read the post before replying.

I already knew that you didn't write it...HOwever, I didn't read it until just now.

It was still a LONG time ago....I don't cry about how blacks got our asses beat in the LATE sixties during the civil rights movement...Shit happens and I doubt that anybody on this board had anything to do with it.

Pleasurepays · 05-01-2005, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by charly

By that criteria LBJ is as much to blame.

Let's not forget the time.

Vietnam was an occupied clony of France, the North wanted freedom, the South had a corrupt goverment that was taking all the money it could get. The Frech were losing big time and wanted out, so in stepped the US.

For what? To stop a bankrupt, corrupt and nothing country they spent billions on arms, killed and maimed 1000 and generally destroyed the country and earned the worlds hate for it.

uhhh.... yeah. the North Vietnamese just wanted "freedom"... God Bless them!!

jimmyf · 05-01-2005, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

WOW....I'm just now reading this...I don't believe that she would do something like this. If she did, that's FUCKED UP.

All I thought she did was take a picture on the gook's weapons or something.

The fucking bitch did it alright

BVF · 05-01-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmyf

The fucking bitch did it alright

Well then I change my whole position on this. That shit is unbelievable.

QuaWee · 05-01-2005, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

hahahahaha, you watch too much FOX NEWS and the O'Reilly Factor !! he was talking about this only last week ! ;)

xxxdesign-net · 05-01-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmyf

You sir are the priceless one!!!

lol arent you theKing alterego? Yeah.. I think its you.. Hey tell us again what proof you got confirmating the article DonovanPhilips posted..? The footage of FOnda shaking hands with the soldiers? THAT's priceless

jimmyf · 05-01-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

lol arent you theKing alterego? Yeah.. I think its you.. Hey tell us again what proof you got confirmating the article DonovanPhilips posted..? The footage of FOnda shaking hands with the soldiers? THAT's priceless

Ok I'll say it again

You sir are the priceless one!!!

xxxdesign-net · 05-01-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmyf

Ok I'll say it again

You sir are the priceless one!!!

lol

hang on to that great comeback line.. It nearly distracts us from your lack of substance..

Rob · 05-01-2005, 10:40 AM

My father did 3 tours in Vietnam as a helicopter pilot and had numerous friends shot down, killed, and taken captive. He will not even mention the name Jane Fonda and if she comes on TV, he'll immediately change the channel as he mumbles, "Stupid bitch." under his breath.

He spent 35 years in the military as an Intelligence Officer and is not too quick to pass judgement. However, he has passed judgement on Jane Fonda and he feels that she betrayed our troops and should be hanged.

She does not deserve to be a Woman of the Century!

Rob · 05-01-2005, 10:41 AM

By the way, Great post Donovan.

jimmyf · 05-01-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

lol

hang on to that great comeback line.. It nearly distracts us from your lack of substance..

your posts say it all no need for any substance from me.

Mortimer · 05-01-2005, 11:01 AM

You guys should also read the article Snopes has about the Vietnam war incidents:
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

And if you believe this is some left wing article to make her look good, you obviously need to read better, as nothing in this article makes her look good. BUT, it is important to separate facts from fiction, and I don't get why people feel the need to make up stuff on top of the stuff that really happened to make her look worst then she did. Do they feel that people won't think she's a bitch if they don't make up stuff like her giving POW slips to the North Korean?

Anyway... this is the kind of stuff that only gets passed around on the internet since everyone can publish anything they want to push their agenda without any fear of consequences. The same thing happens in politics every day now and this is the reason it is getting so hard now to find the real facts in the pile of bullshit.

jimmyf · 05-01-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

You guys should also read the article Snopes has about the Vietnam war incidents:
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

And if you believe this is some left wing article to make her look good, you obviously need to read better, as nothing in this article makes her look good. BUT, it is important to separate facts from fiction, and I don't get why people feel the need to make up stuff on top of the stuff that really happened to make her look worst then she did. Do they feel that people won't think she's a bitch if they don't make up stuff like her giving POW slips to the North Korean?

Anyway... this is the kind of stuff that only gets passed around on the internet since everyone can publish anything they want to push their agenda without any fear of consequences. The same thing happens in politics every day now and this is the reason it is getting so hard now to find the real facts in the pile of bullshit.

read
DonovanPhillips post about 3/4 down

And about that snopes story:

CDSmith · 05-01-2005, 11:16 AM

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp --- that's a well-written article and a very good read. Shews there is some bogus misinformation in the "email", but it also shows there is much truth in parts of it as well.

Jane Fonda's exploits and words during that time and since are well documented. Those of you challenging the validity probably weren't around back then I suppose. Then again, some youngsters believe WWII and the lunar landing are both hoaxes.

Donny · 05-01-2005, 11:27 AM

Again, read post #31.

Dirty F · 05-01-2005, 11:29 AM

05-01-2005, 11:41 AM

More stuff here separating the facts from the fiction:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...aa110399b.htm#

(watch out for the popups)

xxxdesign-net · 05-01-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmyf

your posts say it all no need for any substance from me.

what a tool.. Tony404 asked Donovan how did he knew if she really did that (social security numbers) .. And you responded that you SAW IT on TV.. when all you saw was her shaking hands and a guy giving her the finger... lol And now you are claiming the snopes article is not accurate and partisan? Ok champ... keep thinking you dont lack substance but others do..
I'll be waiting for another of your witty one-line comeback..

badmunchkin · 05-01-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

There will always be two sides of this story. "Hanoi Jane" has never sued the author of this article as far as I can find. Don't you think she would on charges as serious as this? God knows she has the money to do it.

The people whose names are cited have all denounced this story as bullshit. This is a propaganda piece, pure and simple. I don't give a shit about Jane Fonda, but there's nothing I hate more then these bogus chain letters that get passed off as the truth. This is truly the age of disinformation - any one person's distorted worldview can now become fact.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...aa110399b.htm#
"Claim: A POW spat at Fonda, for which he was brutally beaten.

Status: FALSE.

Current Results

This story is attributed in the email to former Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll, who says it's false and did not originate from him. I wasn't able to speak with him directly, but Mike McGrath and Paul Galanti, fellow officers of the Nam-POWs organization to which Driscoll belongs, told me he unequivocally disavows the story.

[UPDATE: After this commentary was written I received personal confirmation from Jerry Driscoll that the story is indeed bogus ? as he put it, "the product of a very vivid imagination."]

Mike McGrath, currently serving as the president of Nam-POWs, has worked hard to help Driscoll and Carrigan squelch the false rumors circulating under their names.

"They would like to get their names removed but the story seems to have a life of its own," he told me. "There are a lot of folks out there who would love to have a story like that to hang their hat and their hate on."

Mr.Fiction · 05-01-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

Hey Donnie...I have a Nigerian friend needs help getting money out of a bank account. I'll have him email you later.

Mortimer · 05-01-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyf

read
DonovanPhillips post about 3/4 down

And about that snopes story:

So what you are saying is that this is false?:

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The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above ? that Fonda turned over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWS to the North Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result ? are proveably untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail categorically deny the events they supposedly were part of.

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him, saying, "I never met Jane Fonda."

The tale about a defiant serviceman who spit at Jane Fonda and is severely beaten as a result is often attributed to Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll. He has repeatedly stated on the record that it did not originate with him.

Care to give any reliable source of information that proves this wrong? Or you simply prefer to believe that snopes simply decided to make that up because they felt pity for Jane Fonda? If that was wrong, and that Col. Larry Carrigan did meet Jane Fonda during his time as a POW, and got beat up after slipping her a slip of paper, wouldn't he want to write to snopes to let them know they've got it wrong?

Anyway... as I've already said in my previous post, what is annoying is not people bashing Jane Fonda, which she deserves for what she did, but only that people just make up stuff on top of real events to push their agenda further. If only they stuck to the facts, they could let people make up their mind based on reality instead of fiction...

Minte · 05-01-2005, 02:20 PM

I can tell you from personal experience.I was in the service during Vietnam.Jane Fonda was clearly wrong for what she did,but her attitude towards vets was not unique.She was only the mouthpiece for many,many young people of that era.

Coming home from the service during Vietnam was not at all like Desert Storm.There were no parades or heroes.

Honeyslut · 05-05-2005, 11:23 AM

I got laid by an ex Navy

(I love being single )

smack · 05-05-2005, 11:26 AM

you know, some of you need to take a serious look at your opinions. you may not agree with what she said, but she has the right to say it. regardless of wether it is offensive or not.

eroswebmaster · 05-05-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmyf

Donnie did not get owned Kid.... I saw the shit on the news way back when. Saw her going down the line shakeing hands with the troops.

LOL read Snopes...also who are you calling kid?
I'm 39 fucking years old.

Raven · 05-05-2005, 11:34 AM

It doesn't matter to me whether the , what did they call it? Police action? was justified or not, not anymore. It's been too long to debate who was right, who wasn't....

What does matter to me is that Ms. Jane Fonda did what she did.....went to Hanoi, as an American Citizen.....and then did what she did.

She was wrong. And, there are deaths on her head as a result of her actions. I'm with you Donnie.

EmporerEJ · 05-05-2005, 04:19 PM

I remember that bitch. I hope she slides under a truck and dies choking on her own blood.

But, you know, that's just me.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-05-2005, 04:44 PM

People wanted peace, not war.

Fonda Rocks.
She a civilian proved that diplomacy was possible during Vietnam.
She was the only one of a small handful in entertianment that spoke about giving peace a chance in a war that was botched and fueled with propaganda. Not to mention a war that was not worth fighting and dying for by any means.
The ones that stood up and spoke a message were chastised and lied about and suffered huge defamation by the media.

Much like today's war in Iraq.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-05-2005, 04:48 PM

Am I traitor when I say that Bush is a liar and a thief?

That we are fighting a war where real men and women are dying for nothing but oil and the oil rich industry.

Its all true...
America is in another war not worth fighting for and dying for.
Besides...

Gas is almost 3 bucks now...
Thats great.
Allah Ackbar!

Mr.Fiction · 05-05-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Am I traitor when I say that Bush is a liar and a thief?

The people in this thread blaming Jane Fonda for all of the deaths in Vietnam are the same people who would never question the corrupt government for starting the war.

Fox told them what to think, they believe it.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-05-2005, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

The people in this thread blaming Jane Fonda for all of the deaths in Vietnam are the same people who would never question the corrupt government for starting the war.

Fox told them what to think, they believe it.

Yup...

I swear if I knew people were this stupid a long time ago I would have run my own gameshow. I could prolly still do it.

bhutocracy · 05-05-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyf

Donnie did not get owned Kid.... I saw the shit on the news way back when. Saw her going down the line shakeing hands with the troops.

No shit, no one is pretending she didn't sell out the country, and could definately be called a traitor. Just it's annoying that even webmasters like donnie spew this ignorant gullible chain letter shit every 6 months here. This has been posted before.. Sure he can try and retain some dignity by calling the debunkers lefties, whatever, the point is he's been ridiculously gullible and been shown up as an annoying news noob and definately "owned".

If he had just been PARTIALLY sensible and just called her a traitor because what she did was clearly enough without adding all the goofy urban legend crap he wouldn't have come out looking so stupid.

EmporerEJ · 05-05-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

To whom are you speaking? I surely hope you're not talking to me.

Dude-
I was just getting lost in your blog story about the bulletin boards.....
Very nice.
If only I had more time. Your stuff sounds interesting.

Love Brokers · 05-05-2005, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

you guys are sheep , how do you know those are real? Man they throw out the bait and the sheep bite everytime.

I received that email from a Army roommate of mine from Germany. The one about the Montana restruant. I called the number.

Now that she has a book published and has alegedly found "Jesus", she apologised for her "misjudgement." Not for the lives that were lost as a result of her actions. The guy back east at the book signature hour for her and spit a wad of chewing tobacco in her kisser gets a

from me and many others. And he was not a tobacco user!

leg4 · 05-06-2005, 12:13 AM

Kill that hahahaha

05-01-2005, 10:40 AM	#62
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	My father did 3 tours in Vietnam as a helicopter pilot and had numerous friends shot down, killed, and taken captive. He will not even mention the name Jane Fonda and if she comes on TV, he'll immediately change the channel as he mumbles, "Stupid bitch." under his breath. He spent 35 years in the military as an Intelligence Officer and is not too quick to pass judgement. However, he has passed judgement on Jane Fonda and he feels that she betrayed our troops and should be hanged. She does not deserve to be a Woman of the Century! __________________

05-01-2005, 10:41 AM	#63
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Mortimer Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the hell am I now? Posts: 153	You guys should also read the article Snopes has about the Vietnam war incidents: http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp And if you believe this is some left wing article to make her look good, you obviously need to read better, as nothing in this article makes her look good. BUT, it is important to separate facts from fiction, and I don't get why people feel the need to make up stuff on top of the stuff that really happened to make her look worst then she did. Do they feel that people won't think she's a bitch if they don't make up stuff like her giving POW slips to the North Korean? Anyway... this is the kind of stuff that only gets passed around on the internet since everyone can publish anything they want to push their agenda without any fear of consequences. The same thing happens in politics every day now and this is the reason it is getting so hard now to find the real facts in the pile of bullshit. __________________ The wiseman owns little but knows much, while the fool knows little but owns much

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Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	I can tell you from personal experience.I was in the service during Vietnam.Jane Fonda was clearly wrong for what she did,but her attitude towards vets was not unique.She was only the mouthpiece for many,many young people of that era. Coming home from the service during Vietnam was not at all like Desert Storm.There were no parades or heroes. __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

05-01-2005, 11:27 AM	#68
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Again, read post #31.

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05-01-2005, 11:41 AM	#70
evildick Guest Posts: n/a	More stuff here separating the facts from the fiction: http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...aa110399b.htm# (watch out for the popups)

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05-05-2005, 11:34 AM	#79
Raven Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,874	It doesn't matter to me whether the , what did they call it? Police action? was justified or not, not anymore. It's been too long to debate who was right, who wasn't.... What does matter to me is that Ms. Jane Fonda did what she did.....went to Hanoi, as an American Citizen.....and then did what she did. She was wrong. And, there are deaths on her head as a result of her actions. I'm with you Donnie. __________________ Raven ~RETIRED~

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