dewpoint

Anyone know of any semi or automated AVS maker scripts available besides AVSBlitz and AVS Maker Pro? I am sure they are both great programs, but I am looking for alternatives.

spacedog

I just checked out avsblitz..

$1500..Shit..no wonder you're looking for alternatives...

I'd be interested in freeware or shareware programs that'll make avs sites.. or free trials

theWatsonian

Yeah, for that kind of money you could surf over to www.elance.com and have a program written just for you.
There are a lot of starving programmers over there as well as a lot of people that live in countries where USD$1500 would be a significant portion of their annual income.

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Gary

Glad i dont live in those countries.

playa

avs blitz is by far worth more than 1500...

i suggest you save up your pennies because its well worth it


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Backov

There's also AVSWeasel (www.avsweasel.com) for the budget conscious.. But remember to look at the live demo - you get what you pay for. ;>

Cheers,
Backov

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SykkBoy

you've gotta be fucking kidding me!
freeware or shareware for an AVS builder? do realize the value of one of these? It's amazing all the automation scripts that are now available to the mass webmaster population....up until about a year ago or so, only the top programmers had automation scripts and they sure as fuck weren't going to sell them or give them away...it's like goos search engine "multi-submission" software, with the kind of reveue one of those, when used properly, brings in, do you really think the programmers of these are going to just GIVE them away?

That said, I must say AVS Blitz is tops, I've seen a demo and I can tell you it's good and well worth the $1500, hell it's worth more than that...



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pr0

What all does AVS blitz do?

I'll have to have my boy fuct take a look at it...he could probably program it.

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Theo

about avsblitz http://www.pornresource.com/article.php?aid=487
it sounds very nice tool. I hate template sites,but the program seems to give you the opportunity to create your own templates..so it cant be that bad.

Backov

Someone always says this in any conversation about Blitz, and my response is always the same - please go ahead, I can use the competition. ;> AVSWeasel is the latest iteration of someone trying to clone Blitz, and it's a joke IMO - less capable than the AVSMakers..

Thanks for the positive words guys. I know lots of people bitch about the price, but if you can't make that money back tout suite with a tool like Blitz, you need to work on your skills some more first. It's all about saving time so you can do other stuff that you don't have automated..

Cheers,
Backov

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Wildman

The thing your all forgetting about AVSBlitz is that it has been tested, and upgraded untill perfect.

$1500 is nothing when you see what this script will make you....I love it!

Of course you can buy a cheap version, but you will only need to upgrade to Blitz when you realise cheap = crap!

Wildman.



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pr0

Backov,

Dont get me wrong i wasn't trying to clone your product, we just use all of our own programs for things, so i'd like to have my programmer look into AVS site's.

I appreciate the idea & i think your product is a good value if it can do what you say

Mogul

Bottom line:

This type of program is not complicated and takes very little thought compared to real complex programs.

It is the typical defense of someone who is just a programmer to assume no one else can make something better.

Look folks, this is not an operating system, media delivery system or even a complex game. It is a simple copy this, copy that program.

It makes NO difference what language the program was written in because the process is by no means, system taxing unless you did something wrong.

"You get what you pay for". Really? Let's evaluate. Web Position Gold, a much more complex program. $200 or whatever. AVS blitz and some others $1500. ???

Fact: If you have an avs system in mind but can not program, you can hit elance and get very talented programers from other countries to do it for $5-$15 an hour and most will wrap up a simple program like this within the week.

I know the typical response will be, yea but if you use avs program X, you can make $1500. Really? So since I have made many millions of dollars on my computer, Windows OS, a much more complex program, should have run me what 10-15 million instead of $200?

Another example: Adult Hit Kit. The same or more complex. $300.

Point is these programs which are just dupers should be much cheaper.

Hell, if you go the elance route, you can own the rights and resell.

But hey, if you like spending cash, go for it.

Backov

Sorry Mogul, but after leaving you to your opinion on the numerous threads in which you have backhandedly bashed me and my product, I am going to speak up now..

First - you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I have used both AHK and WPG, and complexity wise they are far below Blitz.

Second - Your credibility as a programmer is pretty short I think - SiteMogul did Oh So Well, and was written in VB to boot.

I am not saying that no one can write anything better - I am saying "Bring It On"

Third - One of your constant claims is that your system is "much better of course" - sure, so bring it. If it's so much better, feel free to take the market away from me.

Bottom line is, you're talking out your ass. Get some knowledge, and then come back and try it again.

Cheers,
Backov

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Nedder

i wish you took installment payments backov

nz

Mogul

Backov:

"Second - Your credibility as a programmer is pretty short I think"

Who said I was a programmer? I am a successful entrprenuer who happens to program some amoung many other things. So not sure what that has to do with your program thing being worth $1500. But I am sure in your head there is some little reason, so share it.

Although for the record, the language does not matter. Why? Because this is not a huge taxing program, unless it was coded wrong.

" you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I have used both AHK and WPG, and complexity wise they are far below Blitz."

Hmm, maybe I don't. To my knowledge Blitz is simply a duper that logs data and retrives that data which it then reorganizes in various ways. So what does it do that is so complex? If I missed something, I would like to go look it over again.

"Third - One of your constant claims is that your system is "much better of course" - sure, so bring it. If it's so much better, feel free to take the market away from me."

If you were not 'just' a programmer, you would not have made this statement. Now why in the world would I offer a very successful system for sale? What is a lousy $1000 a user going to do for me? Nada. I am actually trying to get you to lower your cost so more people use your system. Works for me.

"Bottom line is, you're talking out your ass. Get some knowledge, and then come back and try it again."

Funny. My income and education exceed you by far. But as a programmer, which I am not, you win I agree.

So buddy, lower your cost or take installments so everyone can use your system.

And once AGAIN, if your program does something complex/special, just point it out. I MUST have missed something that has skewed my view. The original point was plain and simple: Your program and that other piece of shit perl script is not worth $1500. Just looking for proof. I would gladly recommend it.

Your turn.
Mogul

Backov

Yep, your view is skewed, and I won't bother to answer the rest of the ego-driven crap (which is precisely what I expected from you..)

As for lowering my price, not gonna happen as long as it is worth it, so you are wasting your oh-so-valuable time...

Cheers,
Backov

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Mogul

Cool.

Does your program come with any money back or other guarantees.

Got any site examples?

Gary

Well, i dont use blitz, but all ive ever heard about it was that it works great and is well worth the money. What exactly is your problem Mogul???

Is this a personal thing?

Backov

Well that's cool.. Generally what happens is that people contact me on ICQ or email asking me why they should pay me so much, and then I show them.. I am not real comfortable with pitching on message boards, but ya, there's lots of real cool example sites and shit - all of them by my clients - they kick my ass as far as web design and templating skills go.

I really don't have any clients using Blitz that are unsatisfied with it I think. To be less confrontational, I really do think you are missing something Mogul. Blitz was one of the most challenging projects in my 10 years of being a professional programmer... If it was something like AVSWeasel you could bash me and rightly, but there's really a lot more to it than that, and I get a little sensitive about it. ;>

Cheers,
Backov

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Mogul

Naw.

Just having some fun.

I was hoping to get an explanation of what is special about the program verses the others aside from it is writting in whatever language.

Who knows. Might have tried it out. Not like $1500 is much money.

I have heard mixed reviews and wanted to hear for myself.

Mogul

Gary

Oh well, im off to bed, like i said, ive never heard a bad word about the program so i was curious what the issue was.

Backov, can i give you my wife in exchange for a copy???

If not, can you take her anyways?

Good night

Mogul

"I really do think you are missing something Mogul."

It appears so.

"If it was something like AVSWeasel you could bash me and rightly"

Not going there

Got any site examples? See that is my biggest thing. Before I invest any money, $1000 - $1,000,000, I like to try things out. Get under the hood.

IF it works as described and does more than I obviously know at this point then it may warrant a purchase.

Just kind of hard not trying it and seeing samples if you know what I mean.

This thread is about you so plug away.

playa

mogul them other software you mention is not even on the same playing field as avs blitz,,,

shit i remember when UCJ first came out and webmasters were buying it up like hot cakes,,,and the shit cost $1200!!,,,
i know cuz i bought a couple myself

lets face it, the price gotta be high to weed out the newbies and cheaters,,,or it'll just saturate the market,,,



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Mogul

I agree. I love nothing more than hearing people say they can not afford it.

Actually I am talking with backov now. Turns out, I was thinking of orignal version and was missing a lot of info.

Raise it to 10,000!

Mogul

I agree. I love nothing more than hearing people say they can not afford it.

Actually I am talking with backov now. Turns out, I was thinking of orignal version and was missing a lot of info.

Raise it to 10,000!

Mogul

Stop double posting you idiot.

SykkBoy

exactly!


I don't mean this the wrong way towards the newbies, but yes, we have great webmaster areas to help each other out, but bottom line is you are still my competition...we may share traffic, consoles, etc. but you are still competition...when I was a chef, I may have been friends with other chef's but my restaurant still had to compete with theirs...do programs like this raise the barrier for entry? yup, but so what....is it fair? who care? is it fair that Wplfgang Puck can afford a better location than I could if I opened my own place? yup, but that's business....he can afford more, so he gets more...this business is the same way...I remember when SE submitters were $5000+++, if you could even find a programmer who'd sell you a copy...

as pointed out in this thread, you could hire a programmer to write the program for you, but most times that ight even cost you more....bottom line is THIS IS A BUSINESS, so you are going to have costs...it's enough that there is free hosting, free content, free this and free that, we don't need free submission software...why? if you can't make a profitable gallery/site by itself, what makes you think you can do it on a mass scale? Automation isn't jackshit if you don't know what you are doing in the first place....

so, learn the nuts and bolts FIRST, make a few bucks, THEn get automated...



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Kimmykim

Backov, someone was just asking me about that program yesterday, I didn't know it was yours.

I'm headed to the airport this afternoon so I probably wont have icq until I get back on Wednesday but I'd like to talk to you about the software, and go over some of the features.

As for the price, I look at it like this -- if it makes you back at least 1500$ then whats to complain about?

Lane

Mogul, you comments are pointless. There are incredibly complex programs out there which are created by huge companies at high costs, and still being sold cheaper than most adult webmaster software.
Its the market and competetion which determines the price of your software. Why does Backov sell his sofware for $1500? Because he can. Because he thinks thats the optimum price for his software that is going to make him the most profit.
i suggest you take some Economics classes.

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Backov

Gary - gf wouldn't like that.. There'd be fights over food and territory and such like that, and the cats are bad enough.

KK - Sure, I'll add you to my ICQ and we can chat when you get back.

Cheers,
Backov

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Mogul

Playa,

Backov has been gracious enough to let an old school player try it out

The program has changed since I last saw it and I hope it is what I have heard. $1500 is kiddie kandie

In fact, I hope it works so well that I am glad he is charging $1500 or higher.

Still, let's get on topic. What ALTERNATIVES are out there.

I only know avsblitz, avsmaker, and the weasel which are main streamed.

Mogul