Are we fucking ourselves over? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

aico · 04-26-2005, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardigras

You didn't hit the first bars I went to

well let's go...

nikad · 04-26-2005, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

But could you imagine (and this is total fantasy) if on every FHG you went back and put a big all blur or some other kind of block on the good photos, or if you took out all the nudes and just showed the girl and explained how she did blowjob, anal, and cumshots, but only for members, do you think the fucking sign-ups would go thru the roof? I do.

I had finished reading the first post and I was thinking the exact same thing, why not give free " censored " ie blurred where they want to see - nipples, cocks, pussies, anuses -they would sign up like crazy. I suppose that all awm should agree to do it, and we would all get a bigger profit, I don't think it is impossible, in this industry we all tend to network when it is for a good cause, and this is a good one.
nik

seeric · 04-26-2005, 07:21 PM

in a word. GREED. on the adult webmaster side.

nikad · 04-26-2005, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

Another thing I was thinking about, and maybe this should be a seperate thread, was affiliate programs. I, again, can't think of any other business where anyone can be hired on to your team. Affiliates are after all, employees, in one way or another just working on commission, but anyone can sign up, there is no intereview process, there is no need to show that you have any sort of skills or credentials, no resume', just sign up and here's a bunch of free shit we paid a lot of money to produce and design, have at it... I bet at min. 25% of affiliate sign ups are just to get the free content.

good point here, any surfer can become an affiliate

nik

sweetcuties · 04-26-2005, 07:26 PM

Here we go again with what I've been saying for the last 5yrs. I agree with mostly everything you said. Since day , my fhg's are nonnude and/or very limited nudity. Even on my tours, I don't have explicit images. I bust my ass finding my girls and I don't need to give shit away to make a sale. To be honest with you, my best affiliates are the ones that user my teaser stuff, verses, the few topless images I have in the content section. Anyway, I make sales regardless! I'm not a big proggy and I don't claim to be. If the surfer really wants to see your site, they'll pay

Snake Doctor · 04-26-2005, 07:27 PM

You're trying to unring a bell....it isn't going to happen.

Also my take on things is alot different. Here are 2 reasons for the drop in productivity over the years.

1) The influx of foreign surfers to the web. In the early days it was primarily US traffic on the net, obviously this traffic converts alot better than foreign traffic who have no payment vehicle to purchase a subscription for your site. (And most of them couldn't afford it anyways)

2) Shitty members areas. There was a trend a few years ago where sponsors came out with as many "niche" sites as they could, some of them had well over 100. Of course these weren't individual sites, they were just different tours for the same members area that was filled with the same plugin content that everyone else had.
A surfer signs up only to find that the content in the members area is no better than what he can find for free.
Add to that the pre-checked cross sales, hidden charges etc....and after a $100 fleecing for low quality porn, these surfers will never sign up again.

If you want to make money, especially on gallery traffic, you have to have something unique that the surfers haven't seen before.
A $3000 flashy tour just isn't going to do it. You have to sell the steak, not the sizzle.

aico · 04-26-2005, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richdude

No shit Mr.Fiction!
Go bump the 1999/2000 threads on AWI about the same topic!

I believe there was a 3 page article in either Klixx or XBiz World touching on the same topic, those fucking newbs over there writing about shit we talked about 5 years ago.

I don't remember which mag, cuz being such a newb myself, I just look at the sponsor ads and drool over how much money I can make and how easy it must be to do it, and don't really read any of the articles.

Snake Doctor · 04-26-2005, 07:32 PM

I'd also like to add a 3rd reason

3) Too many paysites.
I know this will make some of you shake your heads, but the problem isn't too many free sites with free content, its too many paysites.
Why did Cybererotica convert at 1 in 50 in 1998? And retain for 6 months?
Because the surfers had nowhere else to go. There were very few porn options for the paying customer.

Now the customer has more choices than he can ever possibly look at. And alot of these choices have unique content, so he can afford to be picky and shop around for the site he likes the best (shitty conversion ratios) and he can sign up for a short period of time and move on to the next site that has different content (shitty retention)

Competition here, just like any other business, is good for the consumer and bad for the business owner.
You can adapt to the current marketplace and make money, or you can whine about how good things used to be while you go bankrupt.

EddiePulp · 04-26-2005, 07:37 PM

Look at a gallery as an advert in a magazine add. Only a small sample of what the full site is... with a $4.95/min phone number, or in this case a banner.

nikad · 04-26-2005, 07:40 PM

If the content and/or fhg were " censored " it will help sales, it will help keeping underage off super explicit porn as well.
I never understood the people that dig for exclusive content to build galleries, etc, fhg should be kinda boring, just so they pay for the content.
nik

nikad · 04-26-2005, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

I'd also like to add a 3rd reason

3) Too many paysites.
I know this will make some of you shake your heads, but the problem isn't too many free sites with free content, its too many paysites.
Why did Cybererotica convert at 1 in 50 in 1998? And retain for 6 months?
Because the surfers had nowhere else to go. There were very few porn options for the paying customer.

Now the customer has more choices than he can ever possibly look at. And alot of these choices have unique content, so he can afford to be picky and shop around for the site he likes the best (shitty conversion ratios) and he can sign up for a short period of time and move on to the next site that has different content (shitty retention)

Competition here, just like any other business, is good for the consumer and bad for the business owner.
You can adapt to the current marketplace and make money, or you can whine about how good things used to be while you go bankrupt.

it is not so true imho, since for us webmasters, it is the same if you get a sele for site a, b, c, d, f, from the same sponsor or 5 sales on one site for the sponsor, I mean, checks are the same.
nik

aico · 04-26-2005, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikad

I never understood the people that dig for exclusive content to build galleries, etc, fhg should be kinda boring, just so they pay for the content.

They do it so that their galleries will get posted. If you have the same content as everyone else, they usually won't post your gallery, if it's a quality TGP. Because they want to keep their return customers, and if the surfer keeps seeing the same shit time after time, he won't come back.

nikad · 04-26-2005, 07:58 PM

I would like all surfers to see the same shit over and over and buy it! This is marketing , not charity, and quality TGPs should write reviews, put quality links, just NOT the content.
nik

BVF · 04-26-2005, 08:00 PM

as soon as I read the first sentence, I didn't need to read any further.

I'm not hurtin and I give away a GANG of shit for free. It just gets better every year.

nikad · 04-26-2005, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

as soon as I read the first sentence, I didn't need to read any further.

I'm not hurtin and I give away a GANG of shit for free. It just gets better every year.

I cannot complain, but surely we will all do better - wouldn't you like to sell even more? -

BVF · 04-26-2005, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikad

I cannot complain, but surely we will all do better - wouldn't you like to sell even more? -

Of course I would..But I can't complain about something that I have no control over...So I focus on hard work, adaptation, and innovation.

nikad · 04-26-2005, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

Of course I would..But I can't complain about something that I have no control over...So I focus on hard work, adaptation, and innovation.

I agree on all those, but I would add networking, even governments protect their industries, why we shouldn't protect ours?
nik

MikeSmoke · 04-26-2005, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Someone bumped a thread from 1998?

i hate it when someone posts the same thing that i was about to

swedguy · 04-26-2005, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

But could you imagine (and this is total fantasy) if on every FHG you went back and put a big all blur or some other kind of block on the good photos, or if you took out all the nudes and just showed the girl and explained how she did blowjob, anal, and cumshots, but only for members, do you think the fucking sign-ups would go thru the roof? I do.

Many years too late and changing it now? That willl never happen.

aico · 04-26-2005, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

i hate it when someone posts the same thing that i was about to

Yah, original thinking is hard to find here...

04-26-2005, 07:26 PM	#55
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	Here we go again with what I've been saying for the last 5yrs. I agree with mostly everything you said. Since day , my fhg's are nonnude and/or very limited nudity. Even on my tours, I don't have explicit images. I bust my ass finding my girls and I don't need to give shit away to make a sale. To be honest with you, my best affiliates are the ones that user my teaser stuff, verses, the few topless images I have in the content section. Anyway, I make sales regardless! I'm not a big proggy and I don't claim to be. If the surfer really wants to see your site, they'll pay __________________

04-26-2005, 07:27 PM	#56
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	You're trying to unring a bell....it isn't going to happen. Also my take on things is alot different. Here are 2 reasons for the drop in productivity over the years. 1) The influx of foreign surfers to the web. In the early days it was primarily US traffic on the net, obviously this traffic converts alot better than foreign traffic who have no payment vehicle to purchase a subscription for your site. (And most of them couldn't afford it anyways) 2) Shitty members areas. There was a trend a few years ago where sponsors came out with as many "niche" sites as they could, some of them had well over 100. Of course these weren't individual sites, they were just different tours for the same members area that was filled with the same plugin content that everyone else had. A surfer signs up only to find that the content in the members area is no better than what he can find for free. Add to that the pre-checked cross sales, hidden charges etc....and after a $100 fleecing for low quality porn, these surfers will never sign up again. If you want to make money, especially on gallery traffic, you have to have something unique that the surfers haven't seen before. A $3000 flashy tour just isn't going to do it. You have to sell the steak, not the sizzle. __________________ sig too big

04-26-2005, 07:32 PM	#58
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	I'd also like to add a 3rd reason 3) Too many paysites. I know this will make some of you shake your heads, but the problem isn't too many free sites with free content, its too many paysites. Why did Cybererotica convert at 1 in 50 in 1998? And retain for 6 months? Because the surfers had nowhere else to go. There were very few porn options for the paying customer. Now the customer has more choices than he can ever possibly look at. And alot of these choices have unique content, so he can afford to be picky and shop around for the site he likes the best (shitty conversion ratios) and he can sign up for a short period of time and move on to the next site that has different content (shitty retention) Competition here, just like any other business, is good for the consumer and bad for the business owner. You can adapt to the current marketplace and make money, or you can whine about how good things used to be while you go bankrupt. __________________ sig too big

04-26-2005, 07:37 PM	#59
EddiePulp Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia iCQ:408018496 Posts: 1,332	Look at a gallery as an advert in a magazine add. Only a small sample of what the full site is... with a $4.95/min phone number, or in this case a banner. __________________ I dont need a sig.

04-26-2005, 07:40 PM	#60
nikad Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: BA Posts: 2,579	Well it would also help If the content and/or fhg were " censored " it will help sales, it will help keeping underage off super explicit porn as well. I never understood the people that dig for exclusive content to build galleries, etc, fhg should be kinda boring, just so they pay for the content. nik __________________ The Filthy Few [email protected]

04-26-2005, 07:21 PM	#53
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	in a word. GREED. on the adult webmaster side.

04-26-2005, 07:58 PM	#63
nikad Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: BA Posts: 2,579	That is the way it should be I would like all surfers to see the same shit over and over and buy it! This is marketing , not charity, and quality TGPs should write reviews, put quality links, just NOT the content. nik __________________ The Filthy Few [email protected]

04-26-2005, 08:00 PM	#64
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	as soon as I read the first sentence, I didn't need to read any further. I'm not hurtin and I give away a GANG of shit for free. It just gets better every year. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!