Why does Israel deny what they're doing to the Palestinians?

Hitler used the Ottoman genocide against the Christian Armenians as a model for his final solution.

well if israel loose turkeys support, it means they are fucked.

as we are the only country in this fucking place(middle east) that has relation with israel.

although some radical donot like jewishs in here Turkey is very safe place for them to live.

also we are the only country accepted most of jewish guys in ww2

and although all this sarcasm in world, Turkey is still one of the safest place for an armenian to live.

think how people in america threats to arabic people in america and still not just one bad thing happened to any armenian in Turkey.

also i still cant get being recognized of this lie(genocide) is important?
why you guys dont try to help your people on armenia? they are poor, starving...(btw there is more than 35k of armenian working and living without having work or live permit in Turkey(mostly came from armenia))

it still sounds me funny, everyone even u know aim behind this is solid and money.

give me an example..

well that was the funniest shit i have ever heard:)

btw read some ottoman empire history, you will see nobody cares for armenians jews turks,

what they actually did after seeing armenian guys killed tons of people(yeah like 700 800k(we have proofs for these also )) they exiled exiled armenian people to south(there is lots of commands in archive saying dont harm people while exile).

you guys will neverr get the mind of ottomans, they never think turks higher than other guys. even most they see lower.

it is normal in that time to exile people if they are harming other, it is hard for you to understand that but ottoman empire is not a turk based big country.

most emperors mothers are greek etc(dont ask me why there is no armenian girls, ask it to your hairy armenian girls:) (yeah reality for turkish armenian girls they are hairy(moustaches :1orglaugh ).

so if you want to understand what have done in there know that it is not a plan to kill all armenians or no way near to genocide. it is just a general procedure if people harms others then exile.

btw if armenians are brave enough to check ottoman archives they will see this.

one more thing for eu, no one ask in Turkish people do you really want eu?
just goverments mostly because of silly media dies for it.

i dont think most of turks will accept armenian genocide lie if eu says aceppt genocide lie to enter eu.

one more thing all your tryings just hurts armenian people in Turkey. Everyday i am with my armenian friends there is a news about genocide lie on tv, and thats just makes them bad.

for palestinians dont give too much credit to them. they never worth it in all history

onlyreal... you're an absolute moron..... your grammar blows and so do your 'facts' .... just leave please.. thank you.

He is not only a moron, his ignorance over exceeds his rep.

I must agree onlyreal get out of our thread moron :321GFY

sucks

out of curiosity... what happens when you finally get the recognition you're looking for?

50 Genocides.

idiot.

*8char*

wow. really nice.

I just hit the 50's.
I didnt even read the thread. I don't come here for politics.

you are ignorant just like the rest!

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The German president responded to the Italian lawsuit against the Visigoth descendants, many of whom are German citizens by calling Italy a "bunch of whiney bastards" who should "get over it".

Well as you know there is two sides to each story. So being from Glendale I know all about the Armenians and the genocide. Of course it was a fucked up situations but I mean all I see on Armenian Genocide is a bunch of Armenians driving around with flags everywhere honking and cheering like its some sort of celebration. Honestly it makes me laugh, if you guys are supposed to be mourning all the deaths from the genocide, why all the celebration? I have seen this for years and honestly it pisses me off. As much as I support the recognization of the Genocide, what happens when you get the recognition your looking for?

I was just going to ask if the great desert Dave was talking about was the SFV. :winkwink:

bump, I wan't some imput on this.

even more of an idiot now.

i'm armenian and it pisses me off even more to see those morons driving up and down glenoaks and embarassing the rest of us... my grandparents witness their parents get raped and killed infront of his eyes while hiding away and escaped from there and somehow got to iran (under the age or 13 when it all happened)... we got to church or motebello... somewhere where enough people go to make an impact and get noticed and educate people who don't anything about it....

I respect that Al, and I have plenty of Armenian friends who are great people and do mourn the Genocide. Just those morons driving around honking, screaming and making an ass out of themselves give the Armenians and the genocide a bad rep.

The Turks raped and killed everyone, get over it.

j/k guys. I have plenty of Armenian friends and they are the friendliest people I have ever met in my life. No one has ever been so fast to invite me and embrace me in their home. Amazing.

quote from Century of Genocide by Samuel Totten

there are bad apples in every Race.

The answer to your question of what will happen when we get the recognition?

Life will go on, and it will put our minds to ease knowing that the 1.5 million lives that were lost are recognized! And then they can rest in peace!

What happens when someone you knopw gets murdered, and the killers are never brought to justice? You rage inside of you, but if someone was to blame for the killing at least your mind feels at ease and the dead persons soul rests in peace!

Well said :thumbsup

If there's anything I could possibly care less about than Turkey recognizing Armenian genocide, I sure can't think of it right now.

If there really is anything less about you that I can think about other than what I am really thinking about, I really cant think of now. Go Sleep on that!

Unless you are trying to get your post count up, you obviously care about this thread to make a post and waste your useless 2 seconds of your pathetic life. be gone!

Ignorance is amongst us my brothers and sisters, dont let it frustrate you. Ignorance only exists because of lack of knowledge. Let's educate, and teach the world! We will accomplish more and make a big effort towards JUSTICE!

Is anyone still alive from that time that you can bring to justice these days?

living in glendale, i got a bunch of armenian friends as well. I hope you all get what your looking for... fucking shame and they need to recognize this shit before 100 years pass... you have this jew's understanding.

Well of course part this is all about money you stupid Turk. Do you think your forefathers can just come, steal our land, our property and kill our people??? How would you feel if Armenians commited against your people???
It is about our ancestral lands, which have been ours for over 2000 years. It is about financial compensation for all the land and property we have lost. And finally and most importantly is the moral ground. We simply want the world to recognize our suffering, so we can all leave in peace, because neither you nor me want another genocide or holocoust to repeat.

No, please read this and think a little for a change, before replying with your sensless crap.

Here are some pics from the Times Square rally yesterday in NYC

http://www.armbiz.net/ny1.JPG

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http://www.armbiz.net/ny4.JPG

http://www.armbiz.net/ny5.JPG

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I am Armenian, and I march in protest in Ottawa in front of the turkish embassy almost every April 24th. The genocide needs recognition for our minds and the minds of our grandparents to be at rest: just like any crime that is unsolved... the victims of those crimes cannot sleep at night without recognition and closure. That is what we are looking for, closure.

Also, I understand how turks today have "nothing" to do with what happened almost 100 years ago, but it is also a crime for them to ignore the mountains of facts, and to deny what their ancestors did in 1915.

I also agree that the honking and yelling only makes our cause look more stupid. Our grandparents must be looking out their house windows ashamed, while they are mourning the deaths of their family members...

Finally, it is important for us to take this one day and remember, because just as people go to the cemetary to remember their loved ones, we use today to remember what happened to our race, and how we are here the way we are today.

And all those asking questions as to what is the point in accepting the Genocide and who fucking cares... Here is a simple answer..I CARE and all the Armenians around the world care, because every Armenian around world had some relatives or someone they lost in the Genocide. By recognizing any Genocide, brings us closer in preventing from such things happening in the future. Because when nations see the consequenses of commiting a Genocide, they will thinks twice before implementing such policies.
This is a struggle which the Armenian people carried for 90 years and we are not going to stop now, it is like running a marathon, coming almost to the finish line and stopping...same thing here. I hope this explains the reason. Jews got their tragedy recognized by the world and Germany is still paying the survivors, why can't we too, after all the Holocaust was just a continuation of the Armenian Genocide. By learning from the Ottoman army, the Germans, which were allies with Turkey during WWI, learned all the tools they needed to exterminate over 6 million Jews.

So, PLEASE, stop and think for a second and put yourself in our shoes and if you have a human heart you will understand.

Just a fact: numerous countries around the world recognized this dark day in history, which include : France, Russia, Switzerland, Canada, Poland, Greece, Holland, Argentina ect..and list keeps growing every year :)

WOW i missed this thread...

Bdjuf... well said... i agree with you all the way... this is not a day to party... its a day to remember and make sure the world hears us!!!


good job Dave :thumbsup

wow...just saw this thread...way to go!!!

...i just got home from the System of the Down concert in memory of the Armenian Genocide....preceeds went to Armenia...I play poker with John Dolmayan ( drummer ) and thought he plays ok...but man he plays the drums well!!

bacause you have good armenian friends, we need to accept this lie?

btw there is no real evidence other than shitty blue book(thats english propoganda book against ottomans in that times)

and yeah if you have millions to spend, in somehow i can show you america made genocide against eskimos.

thats that easy

btw my friends grandpa's also killed by armenians but is that important after 100 years?

btw another guys also asked what you get when you made world recognized this lie?

^i agree

What is "closure" to you at this point? Besides a generic answer like "recognition", what is something that can be done to make you actually feel like you (and others) have accomplished something by reminding everyone about this incident?

I'm not for either side but it's obvious that there most likely will be no end to the protesting and partying no matter who recognizes what. There will be no closure, no one will ever be satisfied.