100 hundred children playing grown folks games.

the pot calling the kettle. hahahahaha. you're a dick! you're a little opportunist. whenever you get a chance to look like a big guy and pick on people for your own benefit you do so. funny how you will just come up to me at a show and be all buddy buddy, but in the faceless environment of gfy you will talk shit for your own benefit. don't doubt my intelligence bradm. i will make you look silly at the most opportune time. nothign you've said has a hint of foundation. when you get older you can challenge me. you aren't old enough to understand what you say right now.

:321GFY

I am questioning your products not you. I like you and still do. This argument is about bullshit herbals. If you can "grow up" past this argument let me know. Otherwise blow me. :)

but dont bag me for doing the same thing. you honestly believe by putting your cock in traction it makes it bigger? i aint mad atcha either unless you affect my bottom line by what you write. if you took the time to read what i wrote, you would not have written that retaliatory stuff.


i'm going to get lunch. i think i will sprinkle some herbs on my turkey sand.

Think again...seriously you are commenting something you don't seem to know nothing about...

My dick gets bigger every time I tug on it.

Penis Wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

what don't i understand? :helpme

do you know me? i thought not.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

i'll keep bumping till someone proves something. armchair keyboard warriors.

the penis wars are escalating!!

u guys keep duking it out-
it's my company's name on the thread so I love the exposure

now sign up !

see sig!

thats fine. you're neck deep in this too. until bradm posts some solid ivy league proof he will continue to do damage to your company and mine, unfairly. he has all to gain by talking shit. pills are his competition. of course he will diarrhea mouth to get attention. he'd better start proving shit or i will ride his back forever. if you are going to make statements, back them up or STFU. thats the way its always been here.

Airek - I don't let this kind of stuff get to me too much
Everyone knows that penis pills sell- they may not necessarily work- but they do sell.

Now- I carry way more than just "penis pills'" so I don't care-

check out our wide array of products

http://www.joebucks.com/sites.php

yeah, not getting to me really. one of our customers sent me this pic.

http://www.airek.com/gfy/customer2.jpg

we carry lots more than penis pills too, but i'm sure that if they got wind of it, there'd be some other issue with diet stuff which is a billion dollar industry.

enjoy the pic, thad n is our spokemodel, you know kinda like jarrod from subway.

best post ever

:1orglaugh

Ride my back? Hahah go for it, I could give a shit.

cool, will be an easier job then.
:thumbsup

I heard the FDA is working on busting a large So. Cal. pill company that was big a few years ago.

heh why the hell would u post that ur not down just before performing a scheduled maintanance?
timing is everything

Airek, I like you man, but it's no secret penis pills don't work.

KB's thinly veiled responses state that.

I asked someone in that part of the industry recently that very question, and his response was eerily similiar to KB's, "Who cares? They sell!"

Now, while I'm no expert on the subject (and not meaning to brag, not in need of these product), I inquired with a friend of mine who has a medical background about penis devices.

While I didn't take notes on the subject, there was something legitimate about stretching the blood vessels in the penis to make them larger, hence more blood will flow to the penis. Something along those lines.

Maybe he was talking out of his ass, but he had no interest in the product, other than to offer possible reasoning.

Can certain pills increase your semen load? Yes they can. Changes in your diet can do it as well though. I'm not sure if Joebucks or Mensniche sells them.

Can pills enlarge your penis? Look at any of KB's responses to get the answer to that.

P.S. This wasn't an attack, because I like KB as well.

MensNiche sells them www.volumepills.com

Pills & exercises combined work.

Here is the thing Ronaldo- Penis pills do engorge the penis and increase blood flow to the penis-
That is a fact-
However so does caffeine which every Coca Cola I have ever drank contains it- has my penis grown from every can of Coke I have ingested? NO- Is it possible that my dick gets a little larger with every sip of caffeine I take?
Maybe- momentarily- but I haven't noticed a significant change from drinking caffeinated products.

I do believe penis pills work for some people- I just have never followed the stringent directions and the regime of taking them everyday for 3 mos to give a 100 % honest answer from my own experience.

Now I have heard from many satisfied users that they have had results that worked for them- hence our great referals we receive from our customers. Do I laugh when I hear this? I used to- but I don't anymore.

I used to think that it was a sham to sell pills that make people think their dicks or tits grow- but when you hear for yourself REAL people , and REAL telephone calls...

I think you'll have the answer you are looking for Ronaldo

http://www.d-moneyshow.com/videos/awe/kbsells.ram

Here is my pitch from a few yrs ago ronaldo toshow you how I sell pills-

I am probably the only one who knows how to sell this product effectively to the webmasters- Just insert Joebucks.com for every time you hear me mention another company name contained in this clip-

yes, the problem really lies in the fact that people say "we're friends" or "you're cool" and then proceed to take a big shit on you. im not dense. i was a 3.5 college student and on honors lists. the fact whether the pills "complete" the job or not is not my issue really.

if someone is going to bash me to benefit their own stuff, which is in direct competition, you can better damn well believe i am gonna go after them. he obviously didn't read what i wrote above about a fantasy selling environment. its all about marketing. they sell. theres tons of products in the world that aren't everything they say. thats just america. i appreciate your comments ron. coming from you, it means something.

i believe that they are psychological and effects are controlled by your brain. people can believe what they like. they sell. brad was trying to pad his extender pockets by trying to push affiliates away through moral turpitude. basically, trying to hustle a hustler.

the pills will increase your sex drive, they can increase your semen load. i tell everyone the same thing, if you are more sexual, and confident, you will bang more girls, and that is the ultimate result anyhow. psychological effects of the pills are what keeps people buying them. this shit makes you horny and gives you energy.

i market and promote products. maybe in ten years i will be selling hosting. a t that point, i will adjust my promotional tactics and marketing experience to promote hosting. i'm a franchise player and i will bust my ass at all costs to drive revenue to whatever it is i am doing. if challenged i push back, thats business.

thanks for the comments ron. funny thing is i am not even upset with brad. i do however question his ethics. instead of remaining quiet and finding cooler ways to market and come up with crafty ways to take market share, he chose to bash for his benefit. i can play both ways. i appreciate the level playing field, but i can fight in the trenches too.

thanks for your :2 cents: :)

lol, I hadn't heard about the caffeine and coke man.

Sorry, I don't buy that. If that was the case, I'd never be able to wear shorts in public without being arrested for indecent exposure.

And surely, SOMEONE would have tried to market it as such.

Not trying to be a smartass either KB, but if you can show me a link to something reliable that would back that up, I'll gladly admit I'm wrong.

Fair enough man, I can appreciate that.

I tend to skip by the flaming parts of these threads and only read the substance. Yours was the last relevant thing I read so I quoted it.

In this case, I seemed to have skipped over something relating to something else and I apologize for quoting you on the matter.

Although I stand by my post.

this is your thread, how be it that it started doesn't matter. i consider myself your friend and won't jump all over the salesman bandwagon, but its not about selling anything to the webmaster. webmasters like money, if the numbers are right, they will push your program. a guy with traffic doesn't give a shit if the pills work or not, they care about how much is my check? does the product sell? i don't have any problems getting people to try out our program. getting their traffic to convert when it hits the site is what we work with them on. you are good at talking and getting people excited about stuff. your personality sells what you sell. next month you could be selling extenders and then pills won't work anymore, just like it would if i made the move to other products. its about marketing and you know this too.

Ronaldo-

If you can show me any penis pill that carries and FDA Approval - I can be able to show you proof.

:pimp

To my knowledge- there is not ONE penis pill on the market that is regulated by the Food And Drug Administration.
Enzyte, Longitude and all the others you see on television advertisements DO NOT CARRY AN FDA APPROVAL.

Cortislim
Cortisol
TrimSpa
Relacore
and every other weight loss drug advertised on TV DO NOT CARRY FDA APPROVAL

Individual results may vary is the key in these disclaimers read the small print!

Are you going to tell me that no one is buying the aforementioned products as well?
Because if that is the case- these companies are spending a fuckload of money in Direct Response Advertising...

That money comes from somewhere-

Next are you going to try to tell me that casinos are built on winners?

We sell fantasy for the most part- is that any different than what anyone else is doing here on the net?

Selling fantasy is what this entire business is about

Comparing Pills to Extenders....

kBizzle - the FDA doesn't regulate/approve/whatever natural herbal solutions (like most "penis pills" are): i.e: GABA, Gilko Bilboa, Ginseg roots,etc..etc...

:)

That is correct Rui-

Cummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Any penis promoters want to buy this domain

wishboner.com

I thought it was kind of funny and all my friends do plus think it has some market value. typins 1-5 a day:)

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Most "penis pills" are harmeless since they are basicly a cocktail of good herbals (that don't make your dick bigger tho)...now if you tell me a certain company also does "other stuff" under the woods I can totally belive in what you are saying..

oh, ok. thanks for making that clear.

Trying to pad my pockets? I post here for fun. Fuck it, I'll remove my sig I don't give a shit anymore. GFY is no longer used for business. I come here to release and have fun.

that would be great thank you. some of us make a living here. thanks friend. :thumbsup

No worries. Like I say, I have no problem with you personally. I love your music. But we have differing opinions when it comes to sticks and dirt in pill form to increase penis size.
Cheers.

Translation-NONE of these products work. If you THINK they work, great. Buy some more sucker-and pass the word.

Of course people are buying these products because they're HOPING they do work. I stated that earlier. I'm not questioning it's a lucrative industry. But just because people buy them, doesn't mean they work.

People bought sea monkeys because of advertising dollars. People that bought them were disappointed too.

I'm not sure what you're saying here KB. Are you saying casinos are built on the premise that they're gonna lose?

I THINK you're saying the CASINO'S know they're gonna win, so it's a way to generate revenue. I agree with that if that's what you mean.

Anything to get money from the consumer. That's fine. I'm NOT saying that's wrong, just that the product (like so many others), simply doesn't deliver what it promises.

I have yet to eat a Big Mac that looks ANYTHING like they do in the TV ads. But if they showed what one REALLY looks like in a TV ad, who would go to McDonald's?

You guys need an Inn And Out Burger in Canada-
Now that's a burger that looks like it does on TV and tastes like it should-
:-))

I can also show you the chargebacks of many surfers who thought they were joining a website for FREE or were cross sold through some trickery as well Ronaldo-

Touche?

No Touche there man. I'm 100% positive that you can. Hence the chargeback restrictions from Visa. That's no secret.

BUT, someone regulated the industry in that regard, and we had to change our ways. There aren't too many legitimate sites out there promising things they won't deliver simply because they'll lose their processing if enough people complain.

I'm too lazy to point out what someone else said above. Cash in on it while possible, because either the surfer will smarten up, or someone will put a restriction on it that could destroy the market for those products.

I'd be curious to know a genuine number on chargebacks, refunds (To AVOID chargebacks), BBB complaints and most importantly, repeat customers.

If anyone has lists they want to sell of long time recurring penis pill clients, PLEASE hit me up-I'll pay top dollar for that. I've got a TON of pet rocks in my backyard I need to get rid off. They talk and run and they'll even fetch- "If trained properly".

sea monkeys aren't real? :(

http://store1.yimg.com/I/discoverthis_1840_192899


today has been a very dissappointing day for me :(

If you want your penis to grow then you need to work it out like any muscles... All you small dicked webmasters should stop spending your life behind a keyboard crying wolf and start spending quality time with some fine ladies that will help you in your training routine. Grow UP ;-)

Now that I have a sig spot... Hey KB comment ca vas mon frere, might be needing some KB pricing for a co brand real soon. Remember we talked about it about a month ago ;-)

Oui mon ami!

Ahh yes. I've heard the male Kegel exercises or whatever they are have some legitimacy to them as well.

Airek parvint à la puissance suprême rempli des idées romanesques de Buckingham et des maximes de l'absolu Jacques Ier. Mais Jacques n'avait défendu le droit divin que par la controverse ; sa vanité littéraire et sa modération naturelle avaient permis la réplique : de là était née la liberté des opinions politiques ; la liberté des opinions religieuses était déjà sortie de la lutte entre l'esprit catholique et l'esprit protestant.

Indeed they do, but extenders like the ones OA Internet sell make the whole thing much easier :winkwink:

i just figured out why you were giving me shit earlier. you're an extender too.

you guys can say what you want, i haven't seen any proof that they work either. can someone show me? i've been asking all day. or are we all just going to leave each other alone again until six months from now when we all have the smae debate again? proof doesn't mean someone form the company tried it. proof means an independant study from a reputable outside source.

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