PPS or Rev Share? - GoFuckYourself.com

AdPatron · 04-20-2005, 10:14 PM

Which is better and why?

BRISK · 04-20-2005, 10:20 PM

The one that makes you the most money is better

MetaformX · 04-20-2005, 10:21 PM

PPS. It's better to take your money now and invest itrather than take a little more money a year down the line.

4Pics · 04-20-2005, 10:26 PM

I prefer pps, so then i don't worry much about how long they recur. Now if you were asking me which makes more over a year promoting Dating Gold, I'd tell you to do rev share.

AdPatron · 04-20-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaformX

PPS. It's better to take your money now and invest itrather than take a little more money a year down the line.

I can see that.

Sosa · 04-20-2005, 10:29 PM

For me it matters on the PPS prices vs their revshare prices, the members section, how often members section is updated. Is the members section filled with feeds or upsells to other sites?

soukee · 04-20-2005, 10:31 PM

I earn more money with RevShare...

jayeff · 04-20-2005, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaformX

PPS. It's better to take your money now and invest itrather than take a little more money a year down the line.

You might want to re-phrase that...

If you were still taking money a year down the line, you would be crazy not to go for revenue sharing. But with most sites is that you are lucky to still be seeing any income after a couple of months.

Pornwolf · 04-20-2005, 10:36 PM

Pay Per Click.

xclusive · 04-20-2005, 10:38 PM

PPS for the most part unless you really believe that a program has great stuff. It really has to be on a case by case basis just crunch the numbers.

xxxice · 04-20-2005, 11:14 PM

Revshare for sites that retain. I think more cash is possible. However both work really well I just prefer revshare.

Manowar · 04-20-2005, 11:16 PM

http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2005-0...g-vs-persignup

WarChild · 04-20-2005, 11:16 PM

First there was Website Billing.
Later there was Ibill.
Now there is PPS.

Dalai lama · 04-20-2005, 11:17 PM

^read the article at business voyeur

SmokeyTheBear · 04-20-2005, 11:26 PM

revshare if you plan on making money at some point.. ( and if they offer both )

heres my opinion why..

After a year if your making good coin , any program is going to evaluate your traffic. If your sending signups that aren't rebilling ( thus the sponsor isnt making money ) your going to get canned/shaved/ or dropped .

Basically a sponsor will take your gross pay and your gross net, if your pay exceeds the revshare percentage , they arent going to keep you going , there is no incentive.. do people think they will keep paying you money to send them signups just for the good PR ? be realistic now people..

I guarantee you wont find someone who makes more off pps than they do from rev-share over an extended period A) because they dont know only the program owner does B) why would a program owner tell you your making less money than you should..

If you find a sponsor who openly has large affiliates that they KNOW make more money on pps than on rev-share, then by all means let us know who these free money folks are

bdld · 04-20-2005, 11:27 PM

PPS, no need to worry about recurrings coming in or not.

woj · 04-20-2005, 11:45 PM

There are a lot of risks involved with revshare, you are basically betting that the company and processor will be around for the next 2 years. If you win you will perhaps average out $35/signup rather than the $30 which you would get from pps. Also, money in hand right now is worth more than that same amount money spread over a year or 2.

SmokeyTheBear · 04-20-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

There are a lot of risks involved with revshare, you are basically betting that the company and processor will be around for the next 2 years. If you win you will perhaps average out $35/signup rather than the $30 which you would get from pps. Also, money in hand right now is worth more than that same amount money spread over a year or 2.

These are also very important details

AdPatron · 04-21-2005, 12:16 AM

So who do you use PPS or Rev Share with?

BIGTYMER · 04-21-2005, 12:22 AM

All depends on the members area. ;)

AdPatron · 04-21-2005, 01:43 PM

So who do you use PPS or Rev Share with?

SykkBoy · 04-21-2005, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

Also, money in hand right now is worth more than that same amount money spread over a year or 2.

why is that?

Slick · 04-21-2005, 01:50 PM

I just use both here that way I get the best of both worlds

polish_aristocrat · 04-21-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

why is that?

isn't it obvious?

AdPatron · 04-21-2005, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick

I just use both here that way I get the best of both worlds

You use both with the same sponsor?

Tim · 04-21-2005, 01:57 PM

I use both if possible and compare.

SykkBoy · 04-21-2005, 01:57 PM

hmmm, let me do some math with EvilGeniusCash
our trial is $2.95 (if the affiliate uses the trial option) and the month rebill it $29.93
so, at 60% revshare (and we don't deduct processing fees, so it's a true 60%) that's 1.77 per trial and 17.59 per month

so, let's say you do an average of even 2 months:
1.77 + 17.59 + 17.59 = $36.95
since our trials only give access to a trial members area and they have to "upgrade" (manually or automatically) to get access to the full members area, we have a much better than average trial to first month (for those sending to the trial option). We cut down on trial-hoppers and that means the member is worth more $.

Want to increase your trial to first month with our sites? Don't use the word "get all of this for only $2.95" or mention anything about getting full access to the sites....we heavily disclaim the trial members area, so the less you mention the better as when they get to the join form, a lot will opt for just taking the 30 days even when offered the trial.

disclaimer: I can only speak for our program and not other revshare programs.

I always suggest you do about 50/50 revshare/PPS though, make some short term and some long term cash together

SykkBoy · 04-21-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

isn't it obvious?

if it was obvious, why would I ask why?
what is wrong with waiting a little extra longer to make MORE money?

(and yes, I know you won't always make more money with revshare if the site in question sucks ass)

chemicaleyes · 04-21-2005, 01:59 PM

Rev-share, recurring money.

Snake Doctor · 04-21-2005, 02:14 PM

I promote revshare programs almost exclusively.

I don't make anywhere close to $35 per signup, yet I still make much more money with revshare than I did when pushing PPS.

My first year and a half in this biz I pushed per sign up programs. 3 months after I started pushing a good revshare program heavily, I was able to quit my dayjob and do this full time. That was over 3 years ago.

I've thrown traffic at almost every pay per signup program out there, and I still choose to promote revshare programs that make me somewhere around 20-27 per signup.
Why?
I get 2-3 times MORE signups with the revshare programs. Same niches, same traffic, everything the same except the paycheck is bigger with the revshare programs.

Plus if I have a slow month it doesn't affect the bottom line nearly as much as it would if I pushed PPS exclusively.

xxxice · 04-21-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingpins

All depends on the members area. ;)

yes

Pornwolf · 04-21-2005, 03:03 PM

Revshare is better by far with the right companies.

axelcat · 04-21-2005, 03:04 PM

pps is the way I would go

mardigras · 04-21-2005, 03:07 PM

If it's an honest program I'll take revshare any time

Rui · 04-21-2005, 03:39 PM

Totaly depends on the sponsor and what the provide and what they deliver ;)

cambaby · 04-21-2005, 03:44 PM

Revshare on programs that have a solid reputation(and that is found out by a little research), PPS on the rest until you have good experience with those companies.

Alex · 04-21-2005, 03:59 PM

RevShare
You take your $30pps now.
I like my $70-$80 per sale even if i have to wait.

Tempest · 04-21-2005, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

hmmm, let me do some math with EvilGeniusCash
our trial is $2.95 (if the affiliate uses the trial option) and the month rebill it $29.93
so, at 60% revshare (and we don't deduct processing fees, so it's a true 60%) that's 1.77 per trial and 17.59 per month

so, let's say you do an average of even 2 months:
1.77 + 17.59 + 17.59 = $36.95

Not true. Maybe 20%-30% will rebill and an even lower percentage will rebill for multiple months. On top of that, those that rebill for multiple months will eventually cancel and so you have to keep making sales in order to maintain a certain rebill level. I've only ever seen 1 revshare sponsor claim that you can make as much with them as a PPS sponsor. Most revshare sponsors will avoid answering the question but when pressed hard will admit that you won't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

I always suggest you do about 50/50 revshare/PPS though, make some short term and some long term cash together

Definately... I've never made as much in rebills as a good PPS sponsor. But once you build it up, having a couple K a month in rebills is damn nice, especially in the slow periods.

PS. I'm not trying to be a hard ass.. I LOVE evilgeniuscash and some of my other revshare sponsors.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-21-2005, 04:02 PM

The only problem I see with Rev share is they come and go pretty often but if the company is solid it couldnt hurt to try em out.

Snake Doctor · 04-21-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Not true. Maybe 20%-30% will rebill and an even lower percentage will rebill for multiple months. On top of that, those that rebill for multiple months will eventually cancel and so you have to keep making sales in order to maintain a certain rebill level.

They do ALOT better than 20-30% rebills.

Also here's a question nobody ever seems to ask. The companies that PAY you PER SALE....how do they make their money?

Recurring.

Snake Doctor · 04-21-2005, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

The only problem I see with Rev share is they come and go pretty often but if the company is solid it couldnt hurt to try em out.

Actually more PPS will go under than revshare companies....simply because the revshare company isn't paying out money they don't have.

Tempest · 04-21-2005, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

They do ALOT better than 20-30% rebills.

Also here's a question nobody ever seems to ask. The companies that PAY you PER SALE....how do they make their money?

Recurring.

Some do.. most don't... In fact, the last I heard the industry average rebill period was down to around 2 months.. There's always exceptions of course.

TheDoc from evilgenius actually did a post a few months back that discussed how companies make their money. And if they relied on just rebill they wouldn't exist.. they do it off their own traffic sources.. type in traffic, consoles, upsells, the fact that a good percentage of the traffic we all send them won't get credited to us do to technical issues, and many other ways.

Dirty D · 04-21-2005, 04:44 PM

Rev Share for Sure!

Unless the website/program has suck ass retention.

We have a bunch of members from the year 1999.
Over 60 rebills... This is where the money is.
This is how we afford to give our webmasters $1,000 Bonuses every year.

PPS is for suckers.... BTW we also offer PPS if you insist

Goonx · 04-21-2005, 04:48 PM

usually I would say pps, since I have seen some of the members areas out there and it's not even funny!

thats why we take great care of ours, it's updated manually every week, and each update gets a personal touch and every member is sure to be taken care of.

I've had a webmaster make one signup and disappear on me, that signup is still active, some 2 months later

so basically it depends on the sponsor, some are PPS for sure

04-20-2005, 10:14 PM	#1
AdPatron No commissions, no fees. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,706	PPS or Rev Share? Which is better and why?

04-20-2005, 10:20 PM	#2
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	The one that makes you the most money is better __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

04-20-2005, 10:21 PM	#3
MetaformX Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,704	PPS. It's better to take your money now and invest itrather than take a little more money a year down the line. __________________

04-20-2005, 10:31 PM	#7
soukee Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: EU Posts: 1,108	I earn more money with RevShare... __________________ I am still looking for new mature trades. Let's trade

04-20-2005, 10:36 PM	#9
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Pay Per Click. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

04-20-2005, 10:26 PM	#4
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	I prefer pps, so then i don't worry much about how long they recur. Now if you were asking me which makes more over a year promoting Dating Gold, I'd tell you to do rev share.

04-20-2005, 10:29 PM	#6
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	For me it matters on the PPS prices vs their revshare prices, the members section, how often members section is updated. Is the members section filled with feeds or upsells to other sites?

04-20-2005, 10:38 PM	#10
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	PPS for the most part unless you really believe that a program has great stuff. It really has to be on a case by case basis just crunch the numbers. __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

04-20-2005, 11:14 PM	#11
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	Revshare for sites that retain. I think more cash is possible. However both work really well I just prefer revshare.

04-20-2005, 11:16 PM	#12
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2005-0...g-vs-persignup

04-20-2005, 11:16 PM	#13
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	First there was Website Billing. Later there was Ibill. Now there is PPS. __________________ .

04-20-2005, 11:17 PM	#14
Dalai lama Strength and Honor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 16,540	^read the article at business voyeur __________________ A program you can trust. Gallerybooster Run multiply TGPs of 1 script

04-20-2005, 11:26 PM	#15
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	revshare if you plan on making money at some point.. ( and if they offer both ) heres my opinion why.. After a year if your making good coin , any program is going to evaluate your traffic. If your sending signups that aren't rebilling ( thus the sponsor isnt making money ) your going to get canned/shaved/ or dropped . Basically a sponsor will take your gross pay and your gross net, if your pay exceeds the revshare percentage , they arent going to keep you going , there is no incentive.. do people think they will keep paying you money to send them signups just for the good PR ? be realistic now people.. I guarantee you wont find someone who makes more off pps than they do from rev-share over an extended period A) because they dont know only the program owner does B) why would a program owner tell you your making less money than you should.. If you find a sponsor who openly has large affiliates that they KNOW make more money on pps than on rev-share, then by all means let us know who these free money folks are __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

04-20-2005, 11:27 PM	#16
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	PPS, no need to worry about recurrings coming in or not.

04-20-2005, 11:45 PM	#17
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	There are a lot of risks involved with revshare, you are basically betting that the company and processor will be around for the next 2 years. If you win you will perhaps average out $35/signup rather than the $30 which you would get from pps. Also, money in hand right now is worth more than that same amount money spread over a year or 2. __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

04-21-2005, 12:16 AM	#19
AdPatron No commissions, no fees. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,706	So who do you use PPS or Rev Share with?

04-21-2005, 12:22 AM	#20
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	All depends on the members area. ;)

04-21-2005, 01:43 PM	#21
AdPatron No commissions, no fees. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,706	So who do you use PPS or Rev Share with?

04-21-2005, 01:50 PM	#23
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	I just use both here that way I get the best of both worlds

04-21-2005, 01:57 PM	#26
Tim AffiliateManager for Hire Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: UK Posts: 19,209	I use both if possible and compare. __________________ 🍑🍆 Sex Vitamins 🍑 𓂸 This sig for sale!

04-21-2005, 01:57 PM	#27
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	hmmm, let me do some math with EvilGeniusCash our trial is $2.95 (if the affiliate uses the trial option) and the month rebill it $29.93 so, at 60% revshare (and we don't deduct processing fees, so it's a true 60%) that's 1.77 per trial and 17.59 per month so, let's say you do an average of even 2 months: 1.77 + 17.59 + 17.59 = $36.95 since our trials only give access to a trial members area and they have to "upgrade" (manually or automatically) to get access to the full members area, we have a much better than average trial to first month (for those sending to the trial option). We cut down on trial-hoppers and that means the member is worth more $. Want to increase your trial to first month with our sites? Don't use the word "get all of this for only $2.95" or mention anything about getting full access to the sites....we heavily disclaim the trial members area, so the less you mention the better as when they get to the join form, a lot will opt for just taking the 30 days even when offered the trial. disclaimer: I can only speak for our program and not other revshare programs. I always suggest you do about 50/50 revshare/PPS though, make some short term and some long term cash together __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

04-21-2005, 01:59 PM	#29
chemicaleyes UNSTOPPABLE Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: UK :: ICQ# 156068 Posts: 11,569	Rev-share, recurring money. __________________ No way as way, No limitation as limitation. AmeriNOC formally PhatServers

04-21-2005, 02:14 PM	#30
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	I promote revshare programs almost exclusively. I don't make anywhere close to $35 per signup, yet I still make much more money with revshare than I did when pushing PPS. My first year and a half in this biz I pushed per sign up programs. 3 months after I started pushing a good revshare program heavily, I was able to quit my dayjob and do this full time. That was over 3 years ago. I've thrown traffic at almost every pay per signup program out there, and I still choose to promote revshare programs that make me somewhere around 20-27 per signup. Why? I get 2-3 times MORE signups with the revshare programs. Same niches, same traffic, everything the same except the paycheck is bigger with the revshare programs. Plus if I have a slow month it doesn't affect the bottom line nearly as much as it would if I pushed PPS exclusively. __________________ sig too big

04-21-2005, 03:03 PM	#32
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Revshare is better by far with the right companies. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

04-21-2005, 03:04 PM	#33
axelcat Adult Locals Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Posts: 25,450	pps is the way I would go

04-21-2005, 03:07 PM	#34
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	If it's an honest program I'll take revshare any time __________________ .

04-21-2005, 03:39 PM	#35
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Totaly depends on the sponsor and what the provide and what they deliver ;)

04-21-2005, 03:44 PM	#36
cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	Revshare on programs that have a solid reputation(and that is found out by a little research), PPS on the rest until you have good experience with those companies.

04-21-2005, 03:59 PM	#37
Alex So Fucking Banned (YEA!!) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 10,963	RevShare You take your $30pps now. I like my $70-$80 per sale even if i have to wait. __________________ Care about me? Who? Me! Who?

04-21-2005, 04:02 PM	#39
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	The only problem I see with Rev share is they come and go pretty often but if the company is solid it couldnt hurt to try em out. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

04-21-2005, 04:44 PM	#43
Dirty D Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Paying Webmasters Millions Since 1999 Posts: 4,044	Rev Share for Sure! Unless the website/program has suck ass retention. We have a bunch of members from the year 1999. Over 60 rebills... This is where the money is. This is how we afford to give our webmasters $1,000 Bonuses every year. PPS is for suckers.... BTW we also offer PPS if you insist __________________ Dirty D - ICQ #1326843 - $1 Million Dollars of Bonus Money - 8,000+ FHG! Glory Hole Girlz - Crack Whore Confessions - Tampa Bukkake - Slut Wife Training - Fuck a Fan Electricity Play - Porn Video Drive - Theater Sluts - Skunk Riley - Ukraine Amateurs - Strapon Sessions

04-21-2005, 04:48 PM	#44
Goonx Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,048	usually I would say pps, since I have seen some of the members areas out there and it's not even funny! thats why we take great care of ours, it's updated manually every week, and each update gets a personal touch and every member is sure to be taken care of. I've had a webmaster make one signup and disappear on me, that signup is still active, some 2 months later so basically it depends on the sponsor, some are PPS for sure