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We had someone enter our backyard a few months ago, he was noticed by my 13 year old niece as she was just about to let the dog out for a bathroom break right before we were all going to bed.
It was around 11pm, he ran off and I called the police.
I've debated buying a gun.
Honestly I would love to have one in the house just for my own peace of mind. We don't live in the best neighborhood...of course there aren't too many great neighborhoods here in Vegas.
However even with locks I would probably give my sister a key and myself a key there becomes the responsibility to make sure the keys are kept in a safe place and the weapon is accessed only if and when needed.
And with the fact that my mother committed suicide a few years ago *shot herself in the head*, the chances of another suicide in the family go up and both nieces and my sister have had a hard time dealing with my mothers death I'm even more worried about having a weapon in the house.
So I'm torn between safety...and well safety.

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You could still slit your wrists, jump off a building or hang yourself, which is what most of these kids do.


How many mind altering pills were your parent force-feeding you every day? I'm guessing none.

eroswebmaster

Not to be idolized...but he made some valid points during some of his ramblings.
The guy was part of their system. He came out of that system a monster. So who's to blame Frankenstein or Frankenstein's monster?

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Don't buy a gun. It'll probably add un-needed worry to your life on top of considering what happened in your family past with one. If you want to feel safer, spend the money on the loudest goddamn security alarm system or something.

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At least they don't shoot and kill others.

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So? It's still a dead kid because of these drugs.

borked

I was mad at parents many many times, but in all honesty I never said that phrase. Still, I can see how it could be said, but without meaning. I mean, "I wish you were dead" and I WISH you were dead" are quite different.

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still, I do agree with you with the prevalence of guns in the home, whereby a kid that wishes his mum dead in the heat of the temper know where the gun is, picks it up (loaded) and bam.

My example of the Bulger child horror though demonstrates that premeditated evil exists in children regardless of guns. Whether this kid had premeditated motives based on the fact he wrote a suicide note remains undecided. I think it was more a case of 'I hat you and I wish you dead' <<Bam>> 'oh shit, what have I done'.

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children, to some extent, ARE products of their parents...

helter skelter, great and crazy book...

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Unless the gun was in the kid's hand, or lying right next to him, it'd take premeditation to go get the gun, check it be loaded, go back to the room where the parent is, point and shoot. Either way, it's retarded the kid had access to it and even worse the kid did it.

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Those kids who killed Bulger were on drugs too. I can't believe I'm the person who sees this.

Probably because most adults are doped up themselves, or already drug their kids and have to deny that it's bad.

psili

After reading the findings of the article, I'd be more inclined to say those two kids were the product of upbringing - exactly what FletchXXX was talking about and not drugs. And to further Fletch's comments, it's the faulty upbringing that gets the kids taking the drugs. It's not the drug's fault for being a drug - it's the parents' fault for being shitty parents.

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I never said it is all about drugs or guns - my comment about sex drugs n rocknroll was flippant.
I totally agree - stick your kid in front of the telly 24/7 or don't care where or what they are doing and put in a pot together with screaming parents and left to simmer for 10 yrs is gonna screw up a kid royal.

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psili

I was actually replying to Rich's post.

However, I think we're all on the same page about kids being screwed up in one way or another.... or something like that.

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a little more chlorine in the gene pool please

Rich

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. I'm not talking about drugs like pot or cocaine, I'm talking about drugs that parents force-feed kids, anti-depressants and ADD drugs like Ritalin. Those are what fuck up the developing brain. I don't think kids just kill their parents or other kids because they have a shitty life, I just don't believe that. I don't think it's a coincidence that ever since they started handing out mind altering drugs to kids like candy, they've started shooting each other in record numbers. I also don't think it's a coincidence that every school shooter has been on these drugs. Every single one. Not to mention, kids on these drugs kill their parents a lot more than you hear about. It happened last summer up here where I live, some 10 year old off'd his grandmother who was his caregiver, the one feeding him the drugs. They usually take out the person giving them the dope. Like that kid down south a couple years ago who killed both his parents at home before going to school and taking out about 7 people.

adis55

only in america there is a "family gun"

u can thank the NRA for that

Rich

Screw up the kid, most definitely. Create a psychopath, I doubt it. Now throw some anti-depressant into that mix, and you've got yourself an Eric Harris.

psili

I totally agree with your views on drugs. I was close to be a Ritalin kid myself, had my mother taken the easy route and instead, thankfully, changed my diet and adding extra activities for me to participate in - which kept my busy mind working on positive things.

However, from the UK story, which I was referring, about the two kids growing up in alcoholic & abusive families, I was just thinking it didn't sound like the type of family lifestyle to get prescription drugs for their children. I could be wrong. I do think any child brought up poorly, though, could commit serious acts of violence and abuse without having tasted any drug regardless if it's pharmaceutically created or not.

Again, I lay blame to people for creating bad people - if it's the middle-class, "normal" parents who don't spend time with their overactive child and feeds him / her drugs to the broken, alcoholic and abusive family beating / molesting their children without foreign pharmaceuticals.

We may disagree on how "some" kids end up being messed up, and that's fine. It's still a tragety it happens.

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Rich

That's awesome that you had great parents.
Too bad more people aren't like your mother.

You could very well be right about at least that one kid from the UK, I'm not sure about that case. Abusive families do produce fucked up kids for sure. There are also people who are born psychopaths, and them being in an abusive household could trigger them to go off at a young age. However the reason child violence is a regular occurrence these days, is the drugs.

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9 years old .. geesh thats nuts!

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I'm sorry, but my ignorance is really showing through here - I am English and was brought up in England and now I live in France, and to my knowledge, to this day neither kids that young in England nor France are prescribed antidepressants or whatnot. If so, then it isn't widespread like you say it is over there.

That is really fucked up to prescribe hardcore drugs like that to kids. They're kids for crying out loud.

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I absolutely completely disagree with that comment.

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hey buddy we dont run shit like you wussies over there! We give our kids hardcore drugs at young ages and we taser their little asses when they act up and we hav to call the cops on our 9 year olds! - Give the little bastards pills and welps across their backs and then taser the little cock knockers. Thats how we do shit in America. You know how many "yard sticks" my grand mother cracked across my back? More than 10 and i thank her for every lick i ever got.
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"A veteran South Tucson police sergeant is under investigation for firing his stun gun to subdue a handcuffed 9-year-old girl."

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/metro/23436.php

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I believe the number is somewhere around 40% of school children are on some form of hardcore prescription drug in the US, and Canada is close behind. I know for sure that in the UK they do give Ritalin and the like to children, I don't know if it's on the same scale as it is here. Ritalin is the #1 drug prescribed to children in the UK. I don't know about France. You don't hear much about this until you're a parent and the school nurse tells you your kid isn't paying attention, and needs to be "treated". Drug companies are one of the biggest sponsors of corporate news out there, they don't EVER say ANYTHING negative about corporate drugs on TV unless they're absolutely forced to (i.e., drugs pulled off the shelves). There's no medical tests or anything to prove that a kid needs these drugs, if they meet some of the symptoms, with include not paying attention in class and "fidgeting", the first thing they'll do is try to dope the kid up. Very first thing. Don't ask if he eats 4 times the amount of sugar he should every day, that may offend the school's sponsor, Coca-Cola. Don't ask if he watches TV for 6 hours a day, just feed him the drugs and bring in the next kid. I see these doped up kids all the time at my kids' birthday parties and such, it makes me sick to my stomach. And then they wonder why kids are bringing guns to school and killing people. "It must be the violent movies". It's bullshit.

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Wow, that is so horrible.

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ugs/stats.html

The production of methylphenidate (Ritalin) and the legal production of amphetamine in the form of Adderall and Dexedrine in the U.S. has soared since 1990. Since these drugs are considered to be potential drugs of abuse under the Controlled Substances Act, the DEA sets quotas regulating the amount of the drugs that may be produced each year to meet the demands for legitimate use, in order to ensure that there is not a surplus of production which could lead to drug diversion and illegal use. The dramatically rising production quotas shown below mirror the growing demand for prescriptions in the U.S.

According to the testimony of DEA Deputy Director Terrance Woodworth before the House Subcommittee on Early Childhood, Youth and Families in May 2000, the methylphenidate quota increased from 1,768 kilograms in 1990 to 14,957 kilograms in 2000, and the amphetamine quota increased from 417 to 9,007:



IMS Health is a private prescription auditing firm. According to their data, the vast majority of prescriptions for amphetamine and methylphenidate are for children diagnosed with ADHD. Methylphenidate prescriptions rose dramatically in the early 1990s and have since leveled off at approximately 11 million per year. In comparison, amphetamine prescriptions, primarily Adderall, have increased dramatically recently, from 1.3 million in 1996 to nearly 6 million in 1999.



According to the United Nations, the U.S. produces and consumes about 85 percent of the world's methylphenidate. (RITALIN)

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VeriSexy

Same here, wonder what the note said

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Scary stuff. And they have no concept of what the long term affects are of giving this shit to children. They don't seem to care about the short term affects, which include making them kill themselves.

pxxx

A lot of crazy things have been going on.

psili

Maybe it's a subvert government attempt to further keep the population in disarray to better control the masses. A drugged nation (much like a divided one), should be easier to control and manipulate.

Then again, maybe US citizens are just getting too lazy to cope with life and would rather succumb to the easy (yet more dangerous at times) methods and pharmaceutical companies (plus a lot of others) are banking off that pathetic laziness.

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I missed that one, mrtwig.net here I come.

Rich

I'd guess it's a little of both.

borked

Thanks for the heads up Rich - as a parent of a 3 y/o and a 3 mo/old, it certainly is fucked up to think these kind of drugs are being given to such young kids. In 2004, according to the beeb, 300,000 kids in the UK were treated link That link gives an interesting case report on how not all kids respond as expected.

Thankfully for me, the govt of France looks upon Ritalin as a dangerous narcotic and as such is strictly controlled over its distribution - a scientific paper reports it has been prescribed 4000 times (the paper dates to 2002 though). Still the findings of that paper state "Until more information is available concerning the long-term effects of methylphenidate, and in order to limit misuse, inappropriate or overuse, the current prescription and dispensing regulation should be maintained in France, and could well be developed in other countries."

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That is messed up, and sad.

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