Why dont more sponsors list how much their top affilates make? - GoFuckYourself.com

clickhappy · 04-14-2005, 10:58 PM

Whats so wrong with saying "Last month our top affiliate made $20k, and our #2 affiliate made $12k"

Im looking at a site now and thinking about promoting it and wondering what kind of money people make promoting them.

If i ran a program and my affiliates were making great money I'd be telling everyone. Money talks, and Id love to know what the potential is for promoting a specific site or program.

DateDoc · 04-14-2005, 11:01 PM

maybe their top affiliate made 24 bucks!

Easton · 04-14-2005, 11:02 PM

a few programs do it in the WM area... iwantu and lightspeed come to mind

xenigo · 04-14-2005, 11:02 PM

You'd be better off looking around for a program that has little exposure. No exposure would be best, which means no productive affiliates.

clickhappy · 04-14-2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterPorn

maybe their top affiliate made 24 bucks!

lol
I try different programs and some work and some dont.
but if a program didnt work for me, but i knew that other people were making great money when them, I WOULD stick around longer and keep trying, instead of leaving.

Sly · 04-14-2005, 11:04 PM

You shouldn't need to see another persons stats to get an idea of your earning potential. What Joe Blow makes with Sponsor ABC plays absolutely no role in how good or bad you do with Sponsor ABC.

The dice are in your hands. Its up to you to roll the winning numbers.

Varius · 04-14-2005, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Easton

a few programs do it in the WM area... iwantu and lightspeed come to mind

Actually we have ours outside as well so anyone can see it

BTW, you heading upto Montreal ?

SteveLightspeed · 04-14-2005, 11:11 PM

http://www.lightspeedcash.com/lsv4/r..._resellers.php

clickhappy · 04-14-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You shouldn't need to see another persons stats to get an idea of your earning potential. What Joe Blow makes with Sponsor ABC plays absolutely no role in how good or bad you do with Sponsor ABC.

People want to see the money and be around the money.
Thats why all the threads where people talk about how much money they make and post their stats or checks are so popular.

venus · 04-14-2005, 11:16 PM

because honestly it does not matter what this guy or that guy made, just because someone can make 10k a month does not mean anyone else can.

to many variables involved, someone who is sending a small amount of targeted traffic can make tons more then someone, say, submitting to a huge TGP. So even tho affiliate 1 is making 10k a month sending 500 hits a day and your sending 20,000 hits a day you cannot expect to make what he is. So it really does not matter how much anyone makes since everyone is sending different traffic.

venus · 04-14-2005, 11:19 PM

why would you stay around?
Unless you know where they are getting their traffic staying around longer would only mean your sending more traffic to someone who is not converting for you instead of finding someone who does convert for your traffic.

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

but i knew that other people were making great money when them, I WOULD stick around longer and keep trying, instead of leaving.

BIGTYMER · 04-14-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You shouldn't need to see another persons stats to get an idea of your earning potential. What Joe Blow makes with Sponsor ABC plays absolutely no role in how good or bad you do with Sponsor ABC.

The dice are in your hands. Its up to you to roll the winning numbers.

Exactly.

clickhappy · 04-14-2005, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by venus

So it really does not matter how much anyone makes since everyone is sending different traffic.

oh really? when ARS made their webmaster's sales rankings public, thats all people talked about on their board.

People want to know this stuff. Its a motivator.

venus · 04-14-2005, 11:29 PM

really. just because they want to talk about it and be around it does not mean they will make it.
I have been running my affiliate program since 1998, I see the traffic come in from lots of places, I see whats converting the best and what converts so so, I have a guy who spams SE's, he is very good at it, he uses only a few ley words and does very well, I have another who runs only 1 free site, guy makes more money from me then most people make at normal jobs, then I have a guy who has some kind of religious fetish site, lots of talk about god and christ and such, all I get from his people are emails about sin and crap - these guys are into some freaky shit let me tell you. The moral of the story, traffic - where you get it and how you get it.

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

oh really? when ARS made their webmaster's sales rankings public, thats all people talked about on their board.

People want to know this stuff. Its a motivator.

clickhappy · 04-14-2005, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by venus

really. just because they want to talk about it and be around it does not mean they will make it.

Occash posted their stats and then got a lot of people interested in promoting them. Baddog talking about the money one of his webmasters was making and then there was a lot of interest in promoting his program.
I promoted BlacksonBlondes because they have a chart posted saying what the potential is.

Most of the people who get into this business ask "how much money can I make".
Maybe as an experienced program owner you're so used to seeing it all that its no big deal to you, but to many affiliates we dont see the potential and want to know what the top people are making.
Anyone who takes a commissioned sales job wants to know what the higher potential is for that job.

Also I remember when ARS started posting the rankings of their sites, which site was #1, #2, etc, people on their board were asking how many sales that was. Because they wanted to figure out how much money is being made (without actually asking it).

will76 · 04-15-2005, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

Occash posted their stats and then got a lot of people interested in promoting them. Baddog talking about the money one of his webmasters was making and then there was a lot of interest in promoting his program.
I promoted BlacksonBlondes because they have a chart posted saying what the potential is.

Most of the people who get into this business ask "how much money can I make".
Maybe as an experienced program owner you're so used to seeing it all that its no big deal to you, but to many affiliates we dont see the potential and want to know what the top people are making.
Anyone who takes a commissioned sales job wants to know what the higher potential is for that job.

Also I remember when ARS started posting the rankings of their sites, which site was #1, #2, etc, people on their board were asking how many sales that was. Because they wanted to figure out how much money is being made (without actually asking it).

Good post!

There is a lot of validity to knowing what the top producers make and personally I want to be with the company who's top producers make more then any other company.

I think a lot of you are missing the boat with the " you need to roll the dice and play with the hand you were delt". Making money isn't like shaking a magic 8 ball. The company you advertise plays a major role in how much money you will make. If Company A's top producer only makes 1,000 a week to me, that doesn't show me that there is a lot of oppertunity with Company A. But if I see Company B's top guy makes 50K a week then I take the attitude if he can do it so can I. At least I know it is possible to make that much with that company and that they have a solid reputation paying that kind of money. Also could be indicitave that their website actually sells and their support helps people.

Very few companies disclose their affiliates stats and to be honest the ones that I have seen, if I were them I wouldn't show it till their affiliates made more money. I wish they all showed them. I don't care about names who makes what I just want to see how much your top people make. A lot of companies talk big selling their program would love to see if it is all just hot air of it any of what they say is legit.

will76 · 04-15-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

really. just because they want to talk about it and be around it does not mean they will make it.
I have been running my affiliate program since 1998, I see the traffic come in from lots of places, I see whats converting the best and what converts so so, I have a guy who spams SE's, he is very good at it, he uses only a few ley words and does very well, I have another who runs only 1 free site, guy makes more money from me then most people make at normal jobs, then I have a guy who has some kind of religious fetish site, lots of talk about god and christ and such, all I get from his people are emails about sin and crap - these guys are into some freaky shit let me tell you. The moral of the story, traffic - where you get it and how you get it.

And who is to say if they tried another program they wouldn't make 5x more money ?? Sure traffic is important but i can take the same traffic and send it to Site A and make $100 aweek Site B and make $1000 a week and Site C and make $10,000 a week. Lot more to making money then just traffic what you do with it is just as important.

WiredGuy · 04-15-2005, 01:03 AM

Certain affiliates don't want stats to be made public.
WG

venus · 04-15-2005, 01:06 AM

How much can I make is the wrong question, how is the top person making his money is the right question. Its not about wishing or talking, its about finding what works so others can talk about you.
So and so may be making 10k a day on his traffic at site A, your traffic is making you broke at the same site, but maybe your traffic would make you 20k at site B.
think about it, play follow the leader and you will always follow, always wanting, always talking .... ignore the hype and the BS and find what works for you and stop wishing you were the other guy.

The affiliate business is a game of hype, who can offer the most to affiliates,
How much are their top affiliates making and so on. Its all done to make people excited and keep playing, just like a slot machine, you keep seeing the picture of the guy who made 10 million at your machine so you keep pumping the money in. At the end of the day, the only person who won was the casino owner. At the end of the day, your traffic thats not converting, that you keep pumping in because your excited because someone else is making money, did nothing for you.
I will say it again, you dont have to believe it, but I am going to say it - what so and so makes means nothing because its not yours, what your making means everything. Find what works for you, not what works for someone else, and then work it for all you can get out of it.

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

Most of the people who get into this business ask "how much money can I make".

venus · 04-15-2005, 01:13 AM

I dont know of any affiliates that want people to know when they are making good money, because if others know, they will basically rip off his site and try to duplicate what he was doing.

And if a program makes stats available, but gives no details about the owner so you can verify, how do you know they are real, you cant verify them so how do you know its not all made up, just like single girl sites where the model is not running the site and the guy running it is answering the emails as the make believe girl.

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Certain affiliates don't want stats to be made public.
WG

will76 · 04-15-2005, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

How much can I make is the wrong question, how is the top person making his money is the right question. Its not about wishing or talking, its about finding what works so others can talk about you.
So and so may be making 10k a day on his traffic at site A, your traffic is making you broke at the same site, but maybe your traffic would make you 20k at site B.
think about it, play follow the leader and you will always follow, always wanting, always talking .... ignore the hype and the BS and find what works for you and stop wishing you were the other guy.

The affiliate business is a game of hype, who can offer the most to affiliates,
How much are their top affiliates making and so on. Its all done to make people excited and keep playing, just like a slot machine, you keep seeing the picture of the guy who made 10 million at your machine so you keep pumping the money in. At the end of the day, the only person who won was the casino owner. At the end of the day, your traffic thats not converting, that you keep pumping in because your excited because someone else is making money, did nothing for you.
I will say it again, you dont have to believe it, but I am going to say it - what so and so makes means nothing because its not yours, what your making means everything. Find what works for you, not what works for someone else, and then work it for all you can get out of it.

WOW, amazing what you are posting, so basically when you look for a job (oppertunity to make money) you don't care what the max amount you can make there? Talk about not setting your sights high.

your saying two different things, one part of it is right the other wrong. Yes you have to be concerned with what you make, if you make more with A over B then stick with A regardles what others are making. I am saying what others make is a major part of deciding where to start not a major factor in why to stay. I am sure you can understand the difference.

The only way I would stay with a company who's top prodcuer makes peanuts is if it tried ALL the other companies and I still made more with the one where the top guy made peanuts.

will76 · 04-15-2005, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

I dont know of any affiliates that want people to know when they are making good money, because if others know, they will basically rip off his site and try to duplicate what he was doing.

And if a program makes stats available, but gives no details about the owner so you can verify, how do you know they are real, you cant verify them so how do you know its not all made up, just like single girl sites where the model is not running the site and the guy running it is answering the emails as the make believe girl.

wrong again:

now you know at least 1 and I am sure I can find enough people here to verify that I didn't touch this up in photoshop.

I want people to know what I make so if they want to set their sights high they know they will be working with a company where it is possible to make that kind of money. Also I help them so it goes a little ways as far as my credibility as well.

venus · 04-15-2005, 01:29 AM

there is some guy on TV right now, saying they are making millions of dollars to post ads in news papers or something like that, you may want to hurry and turn it on so you dont miss out on what they are making

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Originally Posted by will76

I am saying what others make is a major part of deciding where to start not a major factor in why to stay. I am sure you can understand the difference.

will76 · 04-15-2005, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

there is some guy on TV right now, saying they are making millions of dollars to post ads in news papers or something like that, you may want to hurry and turn it on so you dont miss out on what they are making

if my profession was putting ads in newspapers then I would be the first to tune him in, but since i make money online with adult sites I think I will focus on the people that make the most doing that... but thanks for the heads up.

Terenzo · 04-15-2005, 01:34 AM

because it's fucking no one's business how much other webmasters make. if you are a top producing webmaster you fucking will know that soon.

clickhappy · 04-15-2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by venus

I dont know of any affiliates that want people to know when they are making good money, because if others know, they will basically rip off his site and try to duplicate what he was doing.

How would I know how the affiliate did it or what sites he runs?

Saying "our #1 affiliate made XXXX last month" doesnt tell me anything about that affiliate's sites and how they did it, only that people are making money with the program.

I mean if you run a program, and people are making great money with it, wouldn't you want people to know and get excited about your program?

venus · 04-15-2005, 01:42 AM

oh come one, but he made millions from his one bedroom apartment answering a 900 line and talking like a girl.

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Originally Posted by will76

if my profession was putting ads in newspapers then I would be the first to tune him in, but since i make money online with adult sites I think I will focus on the people that make the most doing that... but thanks for the heads up.

theFeTiShLaDy · 04-15-2005, 01:42 AM

i think it's part of confidentiality not to expose and show how much sponsors make.

will76 · 04-15-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by theFeTiShLaDy

i think it's part of confidentiality not to expose and show how much sponsors make.

Never read a webmaster agreement from any company that had those words stated in it. Don't see how they can stop you from telling people how much you make, if anything I would think they would incourage it, good PR for them.

clickhappy · 04-15-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Terenzo

because it's fucking no one's business how much other webmasters make. if you are a top producing webmaster you fucking will know that soon.

lol, theres are no NAMES attached to those dollar figures. No names, no sites, no nothing, only the dollar figures.
I dont know why people get so upset about a sponsor saying how much money their affiliates are making.
but whatever. I know im right. You mention that your affiliates are making great money and people are all over it signing up to promote you and get in on it.

look at will76. Posted he/she made a million bucks in a year and people are visiting the site, getting interested in signing up and getting in on it.
I dont want to promote a site if no one's making money with them. Fuck that, i want to go where people are doing well.

bdld · 04-15-2005, 01:55 AM

i wish all programs had something similar. at least i'd like to know my webmaster rank for the pay period.

will76 · 04-15-2005, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

lol, theres are no NAMES attached to those dollar figures. No names, no sites, no nothing, only the dollar figures.
I dont know why people get so upset about a sponsor saying how much money their affiliates are making.
but whatever. I know im right. You mention that your affiliates are making great money and people are all over it signing up to promote you and get in on it.

look at will76. Posted he/she made a million bucks in a year and people are visiting the site, getting interested in signing up and getting in on it.
I dont want to promote a site if no one's making money with them. Fuck that, i want to go where people are doing well.

Clickhappy you are 100% right if someone posted they made 2 million on AFF I would say try them first. (with some form of validity to their statements, not just some idiot saying that).

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Originally Posted by Terenzo
because it's fucking no one's business how much other webmasters make. if you are a top producing webmaster you fucking will know that soon.

LOL thats funny, someone forgot to send me the news letter from the " top producers club" with that info. LOL too funny.

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Terenzo · 04-28-2005, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

look at will76. Posted he/she made a million bucks in a year and people are visiting the site, getting interested in signing up and getting in on it.
I dont want to promote a site if no one's making money with them. Fuck that, i want to go where people are doing well.

you must be fucking clueless.

Furious_Female · 04-28-2005, 05:13 AM

A lot of programs' top sale generators are other sponsors. Does anyone really care to know if Sponsor B is Sponsor A's #1 affiliate?

Does it matter how much others make? If you need to see someone else's stats to get motivated, you shouldn't be in this biz. Next time you need some motivation, look at your bills.

Harmon · 04-28-2005, 05:16 AM

I also like it when sponsors show you what your earning potential can be. See sig, and here is their toplist

jayeff · 04-28-2005, 05:23 AM

I'm surprized that some affiliates apparently think that no information is better than some...

Okay, so knowing that a top affiliate has made $10K (or whatever) doesn't tell me how he did it nor whether I can do it, but it does tell me what has been proven doable (assuming the figure is honest). I can also see whether several affiliates have solid earnings, or if only one or two are doing well.

Certainly the value of this information is marginal, but it can be displayed easily and without so much as hinting at someone's identity or location. Anything which means I'm not choosing sponsors in a total vacuum is good. But more than anything, the willingness of a sponsor to disclose this information says something positive about their confidence and their attitude towards their affiliates. It's certainly interesting to see which sponsors steer clear of threads like this or join in but make excuses as to why they don't do whatever is being discussed.

Rui · 04-28-2005, 06:12 AM

I enjoy seeing the "Hall of Fame" but it doesn't take an important role in if I want or not to promote program x or y...

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

How would I know how the affiliate did it or what sites he runs?

Saying "our #1 affiliate made XXXX last month" doesnt tell me anything about that affiliate's sites and how they did it, only that people are making money with the program.

Belive me there are ways...

will76 · 04-28-2005, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Female

A lot of programs' top sale generators are other sponsors. Does anyone really care to know if Sponsor B is Sponsor A's #1 affiliate?

Does it matter how much others make? If you need to see someone else's stats to get motivated, you shouldn't be in this biz. Next time you need some motivation, look at your bills.

someone didn't read the whole thread

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clickhappy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,027	Why dont more sponsors list how much their top affilates make? Whats so wrong with saying "Last month our top affiliate made $20k, and our #2 affiliate made $12k" Im looking at a site now and thinking about promoting it and wondering what kind of money people make promoting them. If i ran a program and my affiliates were making great money I'd be telling everyone. Money talks, and Id love to know what the potential is for promoting a specific site or program.

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xenigo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 8,067	You'd be better off looking around for a program that has little exposure. No exposure would be best, which means no productive affiliates.

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Terenzo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 971	because it's fucking no one's business how much other webmasters make. if you are a top producing webmaster you fucking will know that soon.

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bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	i wish all programs had something similar. at least i'd like to know my webmaster rank for the pay period.

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Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	A lot of programs' top sale generators are other sponsors. Does anyone really care to know if Sponsor B is Sponsor A's #1 affiliate? Does it matter how much others make? If you need to see someone else's stats to get motivated, you shouldn't be in this biz. Next time you need some motivation, look at your bills. __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

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jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	I'm surprized that some affiliates apparently think that no information is better than some... Okay, so knowing that a top affiliate has made $10K (or whatever) doesn't tell me how he did it nor whether I can do it, but it does tell me what has been proven doable (assuming the figure is honest). I can also see whether several affiliates have solid earnings, or if only one or two are doing well. Certainly the value of this information is marginal, but it can be displayed easily and without so much as hinting at someone's identity or location. Anything which means I'm not choosing sponsors in a total vacuum is good. But more than anything, the willingness of a sponsor to disclose this information says something positive about their confidence and their attitude towards their affiliates. It's certainly interesting to see which sponsors steer clear of threads like this or join in but make excuses as to why they don't do whatever is being discussed.