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Old 04-13-2005, 11:44 PM   #51
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Old 04-13-2005, 11:45 PM   #52
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Old 04-13-2005, 11:53 PM   #53
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blackmobster, you ustill never said what Mark should have taken the 5th on. To not incriminate himself of what?
You fail to see what's important...
A witness does not have to reveal there reason for taking the 5th; so there need not be any actual incriminating circustances. The witness can get away with taking the 5th simply to avoid a question or situation.
When a witness does that it is call strategy.

So if you get into court and get a question that will make you look like shit if you answer it you can cover your ass by taking the 5th or simply stating "I don't recall such a thing".

Furman choose to lie outright instead of saying "I don't recall any time in the last 10 years that I used that word towards anyone". Nobody could ever prove that he actualy did remeber at that moment during testimony.
If he had been called back to the stand after saying that and they produced that cassette with him saying the n word he could have said..."ok my memory is refreshed now, I remember that. The circumstances where I said that was.....(CYA)". No way to convict him of perjury for that.
He would have able to explain away the tape and still testify against OJ; but when he took the 5th he couldn't explain to the jury why he said that on the tape...in other words he became defenseless on that issue and since he had already lied he should have not taken the 5th and gone back on the stand and defened himself.

So the post is really about knowing when to take the 5th and not Furhman; note that the first person I mentioned in this post is Michael Jackson.

Furhman is mentioned because IMO he didn't use the 5th before he got on the stand knowing he would be questioned about race, if he had done that the jury would not have known about it and the lawyers could not even ask him about it. Then he took the 5th after it was clear to the jury that he lied but he should have taken the stand and at least explained his side and defened all his other testimony.

His strategy was all wrong!!!


I can see him on the stand after he had been proven to lie about the n word and it could have gone like this :

Lawyer: when you said you didn't use the n word, you lied didn't you.
Furhman: Sir I had to answer that question in front of the world and some would take my answer as being all that I am and consider nothing else...
Did I lie...Wouldn't you?

Tell me that would have not made a differrence....
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:14 AM   #54
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Well, my clothes finished drying so I got to get ready to go out and get drunk for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take it from me...get a bullshit 4 hr a week job in a bar and go there on your nights off. Man do your co-workers ever hook you up!!!!
Infact do that over two years at 3 different bars like me and get fucked up all over town. hehehehehe!!!

Will I fuck a ugly bitch tonight??? "I take the 5th"


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Old 04-14-2005, 12:22 AM   #55
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I don't even know why you asked me if I knew what "no contest" meant.
The guy pleaded no contest and that was all I was saying. For the scope of this post it didn't matter if I understood his plea or not since I was simply pointing out that he was convicted.

You can't un-convict the motherfucker no matter how long you debate the meaing of no contest.

See, for the purpose of the post, pleading "no contest" means the MoFo got convicted. So get off of it and talk about some other aspect of his situation that would prove he is not stupid.

The point here is that instead of calling everybody a nigga, he should have hired one to help him. Yeah, he's making money with books and TV; but he had no guarantee this would happen when he set him self up to be charged with perjury. The public could have been mad at him thinking he blew the trial and rejected his books and interviews and then he couldn't even be a cop in another city(got be legal to carry gun) or vote!!!

That one mistake could have put him in the street with the homeless...
If you make such a mistake and can't work in your profession, what would you do?

My whole point of this post was to say :
"Check it out; you can plead the 5th to a single question" and cover you ass.

Example:

Lawyer: Mr Blackmonsters; did Baddog say fucked up shit to you on GFY?
Me: Yes your honor and here's what he said......
Lawyer: Mr Blackmonsters; do you ever say fucked up shit on GFY?
Me: I take the 5th.
Lawyer: Well what else would you say about Baddog?
Me: He told me that.......

Number one, no one is trying to "unconvict" him, No contest is guilty, it is just if there was a civil suit filed the conviction can not be used against him in the civil trial.

Number two, taking the 5th is preventing from incriminating yourself. You can't just say I don't want to answer the question, it can only be invoked if such testimony would require you to testify against yourself, and he wasn't on fucking trial, so how could he testify against himself?
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:27 AM   #56
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If you did a poll of white cops that are racist in the US and Canada, none of them would ever be able to testify in a trial.

Being racist though, doesn't mean you'd stoop to planting evidence or frame someone on a murder charge. Hell, just about everyone has spit our racial slurs at one point in our life but most of us would never be morally capable of what Fuhrman was accused of.

And on that note, if the LA cops involved in the OJ case were so incompetent (according to the defence team) how on earth were they smart enough to conspire to frame OJ?
LAPD fucked up because they are incapable of just telling the truth. They always have to enhance things. If you had ever read a police report where you are a character in the story, you would wonder where the hell you were when all this shit went down.

It is called creative writing, and they do it so often they would not know how to tell the truth if it was to save their lives. They always need to add a little fluff to try and make the case "air tight."

They fucked up this time. They did it with someone that could afford to prove that all was not as they said it was.

If they had just told it how it was, and played by the rules they would have convicted him.
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:29 AM   #57
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Hey. Who is Furman, and why did someone take OJ to court. Did they choke drinking it?
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:30 AM   #58
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You fail to see what's important...
A witness does not have to reveal there reason for taking the 5th; so there need not be any actual incriminating circustances. The witness can get away with taking the 5th simply to avoid a question or situation.
When a witness does that it is call strategy.

So if you get into court and get a question that will make you look like shit if you answer it you can cover your ass by taking the 5th

Your lack of knowledge is amazing.

Besides, I can assure you that if he had said I do not recall, F. Lee would have had the ammo to refresh his memory right then and there
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:34 AM   #59
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no contest - nolo contendo -

A plea made by the defendant in a criminal action that is substantially but not technically an admission of guilt and subjects the defendant to punishment but permits denial of the alleged facts in other proceedings.
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:35 AM   #60
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