Epoch, allowing 11 year olds to join? - GoFuckYourself.com

whatif_3 · 04-11-2005, 11:20 AM

i came accross this topic on another board, You accept solo cards, "kiddy debit" cards, which are issued to 11 year old, when the kid turns 18, they get upgraded to a Maestro Card

"The smarter way to bank for 11-18 year olds"
http://www.natwest.com/personal/serv...UNTS/CARD_PLUS

where is the safe harbor you prove your clients when you accept underage cards? this was a hot topic with gambling sites

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07...ds_gamble_nch/

SmokeyTheBear · 04-11-2005, 11:46 AM

cant kids get visa's now ? How can a company stop kids from lying on the signup form ?

GatorB · 04-11-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

cant kids get visa's now ? How can a company stop kids from lying on the signup form ?

Well you have to put a SS # down don't you. How hard is it to check to see how old a person is? You have to have a job don't you. Doesn't Visa actually CALL the job to see if that person actually works there?

Fukeneh · 04-11-2005, 12:00 PM

any fucking kid can have a visa, i used to eat a deli and all the middle school kids would come over and buy lunch with that.

move along.

GatorB · 04-11-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fukeneh

any fucking kid can have a visa, i used to eat a deli and all the middle school kids would come over and buy lunch with that.

move along.

Any business that would take a regular visa from a kid should be shut down. I wouldn't. I'd tell the kid to get the fuck out of there.

Also HOW are they getting Visas? Hell I get turned down for credit cards all the fucking time and I'm 36 years old.

Cains · 04-11-2005, 12:02 PM

kids can upgrade to switch, they can also get credit cards at an age aslong as a parent/guardian guarantees it.

DVTimes · 04-11-2005, 12:06 PM

Solo and Switch (debit) cards are basically a replacement for check books.

As such anyone can have one (in the UK).

I have had a check book for since I was 13.

In theory, I could have at 13 sent a check to a porn site and joined.

The thing about solo is that you can not spend more than you have in your account. So unlike credit cards you cannot get in debt.

whatif_3 · 04-11-2005, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

cant kids get visa's now ? How can a company stop kids from lying on the signup form ?

cards are issued to people 18 or over, in some cases with parents permision 16. accepting a credit card before allowing access to porn is a good defence that you are doing what you can to prevent minors from accessing porn, thats what the courts say

from attorney lawrence walters

the COPA law creates a "safe harbor" under which webmasters can rely upon the AVS or credit card solution as a defense to any claim that they are providing harmful materials to minors
http://www.firstamendment.com/protecting_banner.php3

solo cards are used by minors, who get a different card when they turn 18, its a childrens credit card

SmokeyTheBear · 04-11-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Any business that would take a regular visa from a kid should be shut down. I wouldn't. I'd tell the kid to get the fuck out of there.

Also HOW are they getting Visas? Hell I get turned down for credit cards all the fucking time and I'm 36 years old.

Kids can get secured visa cards with no parental consent, and they dont need a SS# either. All you need is $500 cash

SmokeyTheBear · 04-11-2005, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatif_3

cards are issued to people 18 or over, in some cases with parents permision 16. accepting a credit card before allowing access to porn is a good defence that you are doing what you can to prevent minors from accessing porn, thats what the courts say

from attorney lawrence walters

the COPA law creates a "safe harbor" under which webmasters can rely upon the AVS or credit card solution as a defense to any claim that they are providing harmful materials to minors
http://www.firstamendment.com/protecting_banner.php3

solo cards are used by minors, who get a different card when they turn 18, its a childrens credit card

Your quoting the laws of one country amongst hundreds that use the internet..

Plain and simple its impossible to verify the age of someone on the internet..

Kimmykim · 04-11-2005, 12:13 PM

This thread title is ridiculous.

Bulker[ORG] · 04-11-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fukeneh

any fucking kid can have a visa, i used to eat a deli and all the middle school kids would come over and buy lunch with that.

move along.

Regardless, it doesn't make much sense to accept cards that ONLY go to kids. whatif_3 is right, there's absolutely no sense in this.

GatorB · 04-11-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by allanuk

Solo and Switch (debit) cards are basically a replacement for check books.

As such anyone can have one (in the UK).

I have had a check book for since I was 13.

In theory, I could have at 13 sent a check to a porn site and joined.

The thing about solo is that you can not spend more than you have in your account. So unlike credit cards you cannot get in debt.

Of course well are all forgetting kids are too smart to actually PAY for porn in the first place. They are not used to paying $6 for a Hustler that didn't even show any penetration like I did or renting a XXX movie for 24 hours for $5 at the local video store. I mean if 12-15 years ago you told me I could rent as many pornos tapes as I wanted for $30 a month I'd have jumped all over that motherfucker.

Princess Ellisa · 04-11-2005, 01:13 PM

Kids can buy just about anythying their hearts desire if they are sort of smart and can access mommy and daddy's wallets.

When I was young I used to play that computer game called Dirty Jack or something like that and it used to ask skill testing questions that you would have to be 18 years and older to know the answers to... that did not keep me or my friends out.

It is not epochs responsibility to ensure that the person they are processing is an adult it is for the parents to figure that out and keep an eye on them.

JamesK2 · 04-11-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

This thread title is ridiculous.

agreed

iwantchixx · 04-11-2005, 03:24 PM

why does the thread title single out Epoch?

JoeA · 04-11-2005, 05:28 PM

I would say Epoch were named as CCBill don't accept UK Switch or Solo debit cards and they must do...

The only places that accept these cards that I've seen on the net so far, are all UK based...

SmokeyTheBear · 04-11-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulker[ORG]

Regardless, it doesn't make much sense to accept cards that ONLY go to kids. whatif_3 is right, there's absolutely no sense in this.

What if they process transactions for things kids buy ?? Like ringtones?

Obviously if only kids can use the cards they wouldn't be stupid enough to offer that card for payment on a porn site , but i dont see why they cant process the card for sites that are for children also like ringtones sites and such.. Im sure this is the reason it was added/made/used

I would like to see a link to a pornsite that offers a "kids-only" credit card for payment ? I dont think it exists , but i could be wrong..

com · 04-11-2005, 07:00 PM

i say issue every 10 year old a bag of broken glass and aresenic, tell them not to play with it. let the strong and smart survive

whatif_3 · 04-12-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

What if they process transactions for things kids buy ?? Like ringtones?

Obviously if only kids can use the cards they wouldn't be stupid enough to offer that card for payment on a porn site , but i dont see why they cant process the card for sites that are for children also like ringtones sites and such.. Im sure this is the reason it was added/made/used

I would like to see a link to a pornsite that offers a "kids-only" credit card for payment ? I dont think it exists , but i could be wrong..

solo cards are credit cards isued to children 11-18, once they turn 18 they get upgraded to a nonsolo card and they are offered by epoch on their porn sites

you bring up a good point, but there has to be a way to not offer that option only on the porn side of it. why does somebody clicks going to a porn site and can use kiddy debit card to sign up? epoch is a respected company, but i dont understand this

04-11-2005, 11:20 AM	#1
whatif_3 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 459	Epoch, allowing 11 year olds to join? i came accross this topic on another board, You accept solo cards, "kiddy debit" cards, which are issued to 11 year old, when the kid turns 18, they get upgraded to a Maestro Card "The smarter way to bank for 11-18 year olds" http://www.natwest.com/personal/serv...UNTS/CARD_PLUS where is the safe harbor you prove your clients when you accept underage cards? this was a hot topic with gambling sites http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07...ds_gamble_nch/

04-11-2005, 11:46 AM	#2
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	cant kids get visa's now ? How can a company stop kids from lying on the signup form ? __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

04-11-2005, 12:06 PM	#7
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,547	Solo and Switch (debit) cards are basically a replacement for check books. As such anyone can have one (in the UK). I have had a check book for since I was 13. In theory, I could have at 13 sent a check to a porn site and joined. The thing about solo is that you can not spend more than you have in your account. So unlike credit cards you cannot get in debt. __________________ The Affiliate Program

04-11-2005, 01:13 PM	#14
Princess Ellisa Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In my own lil' bubble. Posts: 1,883	Kids can buy just about anythying their hearts desire if they are sort of smart and can access mommy and daddy's wallets. When I was young I used to play that computer game called Dirty Jack or something like that and it used to ask skill testing questions that you would have to be 18 years and older to know the answers to... that did not keep me or my friends out. It is not epochs responsibility to ensure that the person they are processing is an adult it is for the parents to figure that out and keep an eye on them. __________________ Skype: PrincessEllisa1 ellisa at pink label dot .com Princess of Everything, Pink Label

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JoeA Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: London Posts: 568	iwantchixx I would say Epoch were named as CCBill don't accept UK Switch or Solo debit cards and they must do... The only places that accept these cards that I've seen on the net so far, are all UK based... __________________ www.saharagetsdirty.com/ www.ravishingindians.com/ www.anglo-indian-girls.com/

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Fukeneh Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 1,245	any fucking kid can have a visa, i used to eat a deli and all the middle school kids would come over and buy lunch with that. move along.

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Cains Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 407	kids can upgrade to switch, they can also get credit cards at an age aslong as a parent/guardian guarantees it.

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