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Peter Romero 04-10-2005 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Almighty Colin
Rocket science. It's first year physics. You can estimate the velocity needed to escape the Earth by setting the kinetic energy equal to the potential energy and solve for v.

GMm/r = mv^2/2
v = SQRT(2GM/r)

v is about 25,000 miles per hour at the earth's surface. For a rocket you should factor in air resistance too.

So if the earth explodes with enough force to send pieces at the surface out at greater than about 25,000 miles per hour they are not coming back. As the pieces get further apart they will slow down because of the earths gravity but
at the magic 25,000 mph they will always have just enough velocity to always be just a little further out and keep going. The force between any two objects in the Universe falls off as the square of the distance. So when two pieces of Earth move 10 times further apart the gravitational attraction between them is 100 times weaker. When they get 100 times further apart the gravitational attraction becomes 10,000 times weaker.

Oh,yeah. There are other objects in the Universe. You send a chunk of Earth into orbit and it ends up close to Jupiter it might get caught in orbit around Jupiter or crash into it depending on the distance and velocity.

I was just going to say that but you beat me to it. Sig spot?

Doctor Dre 04-10-2005 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Almighty Colin
Scary. I have an old one of me like that ..

http://www.linkification.com/linked/...m_mechanic.JPG

His is fake ... it's a submarine front in a museum and they photoshoped some crap and added it ...

blackmonsters 04-10-2005 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Myst
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
have you even completed elementary school?
oh dear god this post brought a tear to my eye

you think the earth is filled with gas? fucking pick up a god damn science book designed for kids in grade 4 for fuck sakes. earth is not a 'gas giant' like jupiter

as if that statement wasnt stupid enough.. you go on to amaze me more by saying that gravity is the space pushing on matter. are you really that dense? please tell me youre kidding. because if this was true, then the gravity on all planets of all sizes and masses would be the same, since the pressure that space exerts is the same for everything

learn the concept of gravitational fields - how one mass 'knows' another mass is around causing an attactive force. it works similar to magnetic fields, but is much much much weaker. seriously, finish high school, then make theories

You should buy a can of hair spray!!!

Spray that gas into another gas called oxygen and let them combined into a goey "magma" that will make your hair as hard as a fucking rock. Then do a pepsi commercial with Michael Jackson and let some hot gases ignite both your fucking heads into flaming lava. Put the flame out with some cooling carbon based gases and watch a nice little crust form on your fucking face.

Repetitive Monkey 04-10-2005 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
Using your logic: Duh, If I take my scale down into the subway I will weigh more because I'm closer to the pull of the center of the earth...duh...
people who live below sea level weigh tons...duh

Duh...also...if my plane is crashing I will just jump out right before it hits the ground and nothing will happen to me...hehehehe!

Don't worry about it, I'm using your words. Quote: "Thus gravity on earth is the weight of space pressing against it."

Paraskass 04-10-2005 08:44 PM

best thread EVAR!

Myst 04-10-2005 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
You should buy a can of hair spray!!!

Spray that gas into another gas called oxygen and let them combined into a goey "magma" that will make your hair as hard as a fucking rock. Then do a pepsi commercial with Michael Jackson and let some hot gases ignite both your fucking heads into flaming lava. Put the flame out with some cooling carbon based gases and watch a nice little crust form on your fucking face.

wow
you dont even know basic chemistry
some "Put the flame out with some cooling carbon based gases"?? you mean like methane?

youre the newest recepient of the "stupidest gfy poster" award
take a bow

EmporerEJ 04-10-2005 09:11 PM

Hey man, pass that joint around, will you?

TTiger 04-10-2005 10:00 PM

we have to ask john titor about this issue :stoned

NetRodent 04-10-2005 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
That's like asking me where is the mass in our atmosphere.
Compress earths atmosphere into a container and it's weight will be
tons upon tons!!

Don't assume space has no density just because you cannot measure it.

Not at all. Its easy to measure the mass of the atmosphere. Its easy observe the affects of the atmosphere on objects and energy moving through it.

The same goes for space. There is material in space. Its just mind bogglingly dispersed; a few atoms per cubic meter. The presence (or absence) of this material can be measured.

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
Calculus: Axium: ((zero times infinity = 1)) --
This states that if you assume a part of space has density of Zero then it's total density would be Zero times it number of parts. Well since the number of parts of space is fucking INFINITY; that equates to Zero times infinity which equals 1 fucking full unit of density which is it's fucking weight!!

However, that's not the way you measure desity. Don't let inifity trip you up. Think about in more finite terms. Does half an apple have half the density of a whole apple? Of course not, the whole apple has the same density as half the apple (just twice the volume and twice the mass).

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
Yes, and when you jump off a building and smash to the fucking ground you will have detected it.

Answers are generally supposed to make sense. Either you're a lunatic or you didn't comprehend the question. You're not Douglas Adams, you can't get away with 42 being the meaning for of life, the universe and everything.

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
Ah, the lower the density the higher the speed needed to create friction.

Right. So space must have an incredibly low density. The density of space must be lower than that of the earths atmosphere. An asteroid hurtling through space doesn't burn up, but will vaporize (unless its huge) upon hitting earths atmosphere.

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
That flame on the ass end of a comet may indicate it has achieved this speed.

I take it you're not particularly familiar with comets. The tail of a comet always points away from the sun. When a comet is moving towards the sun, the tail is behind it like the tail of a rocket. However, when a comet is moving away from the sun the tail is pointing ahead of the comet.

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
Yeah, that's why your eyes don't fucking burn out when looking at the stars!!

No. You can look at the stars without your eyes burning out because, with the exception of the sun, they're all several light years away. The closest star system, Alpha Centauri, is about 4.2 light years away. A light year is a bout 9.5 trillion kilometers, hence the closest star is around 40,000,000,000,000 kilometers away. At that distance your eyeball is a tiny fraction of an arc second of degree. There just isn't enough light to do any damage. Its has very little to do with there being any matter in the way.

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
Weight is a term I used to describe pressure; pressure does not require weight.

Why call it weight? Why not use normal terms to describe pressure? You seem to be saying something akin to "Blue is a word I use to describe taste. Therefore you don't really see colors, you taste them."

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
pressure can be created in huge amounts on a balloons surface without the balloon or the gas inside weighing any fucking thing. Just put your face on the surface of a big balloon that weighs only 1 ounce and let me pop it with a needle; then tell that you don't feel like you got punched in the face.

The force my face would feel has a lot more to do with the elastic property of the latex in the balloon than the pressure on it.

Speaking of balloons, you never answered my previous question about balloons. You say that the stars and planets are held together, not by the pull of gravity but by pressure from "space". It must take a lot of pressure to hold a star together. Say you take a normal latex balloon and inflate it at sea level. Now, move the balloon into "space". Would be balloon be compressed by the same pressure that holds the planets together? Or would the balloon expand from a relative lack of pressure?

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
Well, that's because you're stupid

Ok...no flame; but bare with me...I'm getting hit from all sides with equal pressure and have formed into a ball.

out of curiosity, what was your degree in? If it was liberal arts, this thread is somewhat understandable. However, If it was in one of the hard sciences, I'd ask for your money back.

CDSmith 04-10-2005 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters
Let's see. I can float in space and that means I'm "weightless" but when I float in the water I still weigh the same. :1orglaugh

Whatever. Your crap has been shot to pieces by several peeps in this thread.

Yuck it up flyboy. :1orglaugh

blackmonsters 04-11-2005 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NetRodent
Not at all. Its easy to measure the mass of the atmosphere. Its easy observe the affects of the atmosphere on objects and energy moving through it.

The same goes for space. There is material in space. Its just mind bogglingly dispersed; a few atoms per cubic meter. The presence (or absence) of this material can be measured.



However, that's not the way you measure desity. Don't let inifity trip you up. Think about in more finite terms. Does half an apple have half the density of a whole apple? Of course not, the whole apple has the same density as half the apple (just twice the volume and twice the mass).



Answers are generally supposed to make sense. Either you're a lunatic or you didn't comprehend the question. You're not Douglas Adams, you can't get away with 42 being the meaning for of life, the universe and everything.



Right. So space must have an incredibly low density. The density of space must be lower than that of the earths atmosphere. An asteroid hurtling through space doesn't burn up, but will vaporize (unless its huge) upon hitting earths atmosphere.



I take it you're not particularly familiar with comets. The tail of a comet always points away from the sun. When a comet is moving towards the sun, the tail is behind it like the tail of a rocket. However, when a comet is moving away from the sun the tail is pointing ahead of the comet.



No. You can look at the stars without your eyes burning out because, with the exception of the sun, they're all several light years away. The closest star system, Alpha Centauri, is about 4.2 light years away. A light year is a bout 9.5 trillion kilometers, hence the closest star is around 40,000,000,000,000 kilometers away. At that distance your eyeball is a tiny fraction of an arc second of degree. There just isn't enough light to do any damage. Its has very little to do with there being any matter in the way.



Why call it weight? Why not use normal terms to describe pressure? You seem to be saying something akin to "Blue is a word I use to describe taste. Therefore you don't really see colors, you taste them."



The force my face would feel has a lot more to do with the elastic property of the latex in the balloon than the pressure on it.

Speaking of balloons, you never answered my previous question about balloons. You say that the stars and planets are held together, not by the pull of gravity but by pressure from "space". It must take a lot of pressure to hold a star together. Say you take a normal latex balloon and inflate it at sea level. Now, move the balloon into "space". Would be balloon be compressed by the same pressure that holds the planets together? Or would the balloon expand from a relative lack of pressure?



out of curiosity, what was your degree in? If it was liberal arts, this thread is somewhat understandable. However, If it was in one of the hard sciences, I'd ask for your money back.

You are actually proving many of my points but for some reason you still wil not agree.

You agree that the density of space is low and the lower the density the higher the speed required to produce friction; yet you talk about asteriods not burning in space as if you forgot that they are not traveling fast enough to create a flaming friction.

Your balloon question: remember the ball on the drum head. The highest pressure is where the ball contacts the drum head...now the drum head has too much density for a balloon to go thru it but if the drum head is replaced with space then the balloon could go thru it and it would have less pressure on it as it moved thru space(drum head) away from the surface of the ball but the highest pressure is still on the surface of the ball. Meaning that being on the surface of earth is where space meets the "wall" like floating freely in the ocean until you get slammed on the fucking rocks where you will finally feel the highest point of pressure.

Trying to make these point in simple terms is not very easy.


The problem people have with my theory is they can't get away from thinking that space itself is weightless(has no pressure).
People think "I'm weightless in space so space is weightless" while never pausing to think that they are weightless in the ocean but the ocean is not weightless....now is it?


In any event; I know all the tradition info that people have thown at me but the diferrence between me and them is that I'm not sheep. I have questioned the traditional laws and found other possible explanations.
There is no proof that I am right; but I find the same lack of proof in conventional theories.

All I really state here is that there are other logical possibilities that are extremely plausible if one can only let go of the previous theories that are not even proven. If you keep relying on unproven shit to prove that my shit is false then you aint proving shit either.

Prove me wrong with some new information! :winkwink:

Serge Litehead 04-11-2005 01:18 AM

I don't see how 'pushing' theory would allow big boom theory into the existence along with so many different objects in space.

Myst 04-11-2005 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Myst
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
have you even completed elementary school?
oh dear god this post brought a tear to my eye

you think the earth is filled with gas? fucking pick up a god damn science book designed for kids in grade 4 for fuck sakes. earth is not a 'gas giant' like jupiter

as if that statement wasnt stupid enough.. you go on to amaze me more by saying that gravity is the space pushing on matter. are you really that dense? please tell me youre kidding. because if this was true, then the gravity on all planets of all sizes and masses would be the same, since the pressure that space exerts is the same for everything

learn the concept of gravitational fields - how one mass 'knows' another mass is around causing an attactive force. it works similar to magnetic fields, but is much much much weaker. seriously, finish high school, then make theories

answer the above quoted text plz

blackmonsters 04-11-2005 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Myst
answer the above quoted text plz


I did already.

The hair spray bullshit was how I showed that gases can combine to produce liquid and even solid matter. So that a planet is a collision of gases that form magma, lava and the earth's crust.

I didn't think I needed to break it down for you.

Now I must sleep so STFU until tomorrow and download the script in my sig and make a bunch of fucking money so you can buy me a drink and discuss this shit when we're drunk and maybe some chicks will think we are intelligent and give us some pussy.

Hornydog4cooter 04-11-2005 02:18 AM

Why did i read this thread. My head hurts now :Oh crap

swami 04-11-2005 10:54 AM

I think Blackmonsters has far out debated all his critics here.
Hats off to him.
Now may i use this material for a science bog of mine? :pimp

blackmonsters 04-11-2005 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by swami
I think Blackmonsters has far out debated all his critics here.
Hats off to him.
Now may i use this material for a science bog of mine? :pimp

Only if you give me the proper credit.

It's fine to reproduce my theories but claiming them as your own would be plagiarism.

You can refer them to this post as a link(or use http://econfirmpro.com) and refer to me as "Blackmonsters".

Tanker 04-11-2005 01:17 PM

cool read for sure

TTiger 11-03-2005 02:52 AM

I would add to this statement, that the vacuum spacial pushes our atmosphere and this one thus pushes us in his turn under its pressure while maintaining us on the Earth; atmospheric mass X by the planetary density = pressure of the mass (human or different) of stability on surface of the ground.
That would like to say, that the next spaceship in such a context of the thought of blackmonsters would like to say in fact that, we were held at surface of the spaceship of the future and not inside of those.

Lev 11-03-2005 03:01 AM

interesting theory, but the way you explained what is gravity makes me think you are either stoned or just plain stupid

je_rome 11-03-2005 03:12 AM

that's interesting..just one question, what if the sun explodes?

WarChild 11-03-2005 03:14 AM

Oh god this thread. Hahahaha.

emthree 11-03-2005 03:25 AM

Human growth is amazing.

reed_4 11-03-2005 03:36 AM

And you would think that we would believe your foolishness dude. You can now repent and get renewed brother. :321GFY

TTiger 08-06-2007 02:02 AM

giving a push to this killer tread..probably one of the smartest ever on GFY

bl4h 08-06-2007 03:12 AM

interesting. I never thought of it like that before.

Yngwie 08-06-2007 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 7076107)
So you have a formula for an object to escape earth; but where is the formula for the object to escape space.

1. Space is an endless ocean.
I can use your formula and strap a rocket to your ass with enough velocity to escape the shore but eventually your ass will wash back up on the fucking beach.

2. If your ass exploded into pieces from the force of the rocket and flew in different directions in the sea every single piece of your ass, except those eaten by sharks will wash the fuck back up on the beach.


3. You can escape the shore(earth) but not the sea(space) no matter how many pieces your ass broke into.

4. You need not wash up on the same exact beach but just on the same planet. I dont propose that the earth will explode and reassemble the World Trade Center in Manhattan. I only state that the matter will return to the same area of space.

Sure, it may wash back to the beach in some cases, but who's to say that it will be the SAME beach? That's impossible to tell.

Now lets see. You say that IF the earth was destroyed other crap in space would get pushed into the invisible circular void and re-create "earth". When the earth would be destroyed there is NOTHING left there to tell whatever that was creating the "push" that this thing that is not there is earth so place objects here to re-create was was once there.

The reason downward pressure is created is because there is something there. With nothing there there would be no "pushing" and therefor nothing would be put back in that area as you tried to say.

What I'm saying is that IF the earth was completely destroyed there would not me an empty circular void in the exact location that the earth was in. The downward push is all around the earth so if the earth was gone that 360 degree "push would meet up with each other since there's nothing there anymore. You're basically saying that crap in space would, as soon as it hit the location where earth was, stay there and wait for other crap to show up and merge together till they formed a big round ball.

Since there's nothing there to stop it anymore it would just continue its journey in space.

Ah well. WTF do I know. I'm a high school drop-out.

Yngwie 08-06-2007 03:17 AM

shit! I guess I should have payed attention to the date of this thread haha

buzzy 08-06-2007 03:38 AM

Do we care if the world can "end"? since it would probally only happen after all humans are wiped out.


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