Again someone who has a problem with English.

I said would you promote it?

Who asked if it would work?

reading this - you are right man
so my answer should be - need to count the numbers.Have to try.Everybody (not talking about baddog - :winkwink: ) knows that 25% of 1 mil. is more then 50% of 100K.
btw my english sucks too but its still better then your Czech bro (after some years you live around) - just kidding I know you are too lazy to learn. :pimp

Agreed, some will convert at 1:50 and others will swear the whole thing does not work.

Look at the discussions around paid spots on The Hun and Worldsex traffic, some say it's gold dust others swear blind it fools spending money for listings.

To make it simple:

I promote what makes me more money in the long run.

If this happens to have 25% revshare but generates more profit longterm, yes I would promote it.

It basicly all comes down to Traffic sent, Profit generated - correct me if I'm wrong. :)

My :2 cents:

Sorry for the lapse in responsiveness -- I took a sex break.


Exactly! OMFG!


How about this version, with my "edits" to clarify the message...



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I think that was my point

Yeah, that is what they all say

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean

That's what i said, he cannot guarantee any 1:50 ratios at all ( no one can ). He said he was new to this part of the industry and at all, he got no clue what he is talking about. You're quite right about the numbers, it all depends on the kind of traffic affiliates send to the site. A overall ratio of 1:50 is impossible even with cheap trials or anything.

Already planned on that side. I'm talking about an affiliate program.

There is only so much that you can do legally with sex and nudity, although I have given it a shot.

If some affiliates can hit the 1:50 with your program because they have SE traffic, or any other type of high quality traffic. They most proberly can hit that ratio with anyone else ( who does pay 50/60 sometimes 80% even with programs who offer unique/exclusive content ), with your 25% you will not get their business even if your production costs where $10 million, they dont care. It's about their pay check.

no sorry charly they aren't - the 10% who control 90% of the traffic aren't those people - and those percentages are no longer valid in my opinion - there's been a democratization of adult traffic over the past 5 years, the whales aren't as big as they once were, there's a much bigger wider group of medium sized traffic people out there. but the whales who still are a big force, whether they are 90% or 60% wouldn't sent your friend any traffic - their traffic is spoken for, whales trade traffic with other whales for the most part, it's smart business for whales and for smaller webmasters to do business that way.

there are other ways but your friend has a big challenge. If he's spending that much money on the production side he better be prepared to spend alot on the traffic side.

Finally some realistic numbers...

Is it 8 months or:

You're right. Sorry Charly... Here's the edited version:

My Synopsis:
Charly says, "Hey, so this guy has an idea and I think it's really cool. He spent a SHITLOAD of money on it, and wants to make his money back! Would you promote it?"

I stopped reading near the bottom of page one, so I hope I'm not covering too much ground others already have. But Charly, I think you are wrong about this on several levels:

First, no-one with an unstarted project in a business like ours can tell you categorically that they can or cannot pay out a specific percentage. Their ability to pay out at all depends initially on how well capitalized they are, and in the long run on the volume of business they attract. Within reason, his payments and charges should be determined largely by marketing considerations. Then he has to make the sums add up.

Secondly, logic has little to do with pulling in affiliates, which is why so many sponsors are trapped into paying affiliates as if it were still 1997. There are a handful of programs (and it isn't coincidence that they include some of the best sites), which didn't allow themselves to be forced into inflated payouts. But they all started when the market was much easier and they have all had the benefit of time over which to establish a reputation among affiliates.

If your friend has a project with the appeal you anticipate and the capital to fund it for years rather than months, he can go with a "low" payout and should do so (the reason online porn is still only 5% of the total porn market is because almost everyone is selling an over-priced, under-specified product partly through greed, but mainly because of over-paying affiliates). But he is going to be buying traffic for as long as it takes for word to get out that yes, here is a program that pays well, despite the superficially low payments.

Next (although this may not be relevant to your friend's project) I think you are wrong about Bangbus. Not that they didn't do a great marketing job, nor that in purely qualititative terms their content is anything special. But their content was different. The colors, textures, camera angles: all were something apart from what every other site was offering at the time. I'm not a porn customer and like every other webmaster I get exposed to too much porn to sit up and take notice very often. But when I saw their stuff the first time, my immediate reaction was wow, this is going to sell. My reaction had nothing to do with the "reality" angle (I even thought that was silly enough it would put some people off). It was due entirely to the photography and I had a similar reaction to the output from PerfectGonzo. Both have something extra that I would give my right arm to find among the piles of "quality" but utterly mundane content I have to trawl through every month.

I think you are overrating the rebill effect. Also, when it would retain sooooooooooooooooooooo amazingly well, why not offer PPS? Like 30 a trial...When it's indeed soooo good, you will make money from it, ask the newbs at nastydollars :D

...never give the talent access to the web, same applies for the guys behind the camera, don't swap it for a keybord.

"A click is a click is a click..."

Or is it?

Let's back up a minute to consider why the notion of so (as scalar values go) "small" an increase in profitabilty (as required in charly's hypothesis) poses such an intellectual hurdle for so many of you.

Perhaps it has something to do with the units.

Personally, I'm all in favor of lovin' and tweakin' a site until it's reached its full conversion potential (as defined by the optimal [highest] convergence of price and recurrence factor).

But, there is NO WAY to extrapolate those lines beyond certain practical limits, inherent and inescapable in the recurring model, as we know it today.

I agree -- you can only ask ONE person to pay SO much per MONTH for access to a DIGITAL ASSET.

But, is it really so difficult to envisage what would, perhaps, given today's understanding of traffic monetization (and accompanying models), be aptly described as a RADICAL departure from the current revenue-against-asset models?

Maybe it is.

But, let me suggest to you a way to scale profitability into the future, that transcends the current "instinctual" limits of both revenue-per-traffic-event, and traffic-event-yield-against-asset.

The psychology and "sell mechanics" of the individual user, paying with his personal CC might just go out the window!

I couldn't tell you when, exactly, but we ARE on the path to a future that won't be limited by the PURELY TRANSACTIONAL margin calculation of an acquired User and that same User's individual revenue result.

It has happened many times in history, in many types of industry -- there is an "inflection point" in the evolution of demand patterns, or production costs, or both, after which the basic definitions of "customer" and "product" change so much, and in such extreme ways that "profit" may be affected by orders of magnitude.

The application of "industrialization" (as a process), as best understood by historians of commerce taking a wide enough perspective over markets and the processes that serve them to TRULY observe the kind of transformation I?m speaking of, has NOT YET happened in the online realm.

We?ve been too distracted by the technology itself, so pervasive in all we do, that we have failed to observe that our ?business? is still very much in its infancy ? as determined by one essential test: a change in the definition of ?customer? that results in both an increase in our ?vertical distance? from the end user AND the insertion of a PROFIT OPPORTUNITY for a (?value-adding?) INTERMEDIARY PARTY, the combined result of which is a higher ?retail? price -- owing to the ?finer management? of demand-against-price by a party more familiar with the customer than we ever could be.

Basically, we?re all still rolling out our pushcarts every morning to find customers for ourselves.

VAR = ?Value Added Reseller?



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sorry but seems like this thread is full of wishful thinking, anyway if the idea is that good and the results are worthy you wouldn't need to ask such question

Tho with 25% revshare...the results better be nothing short of amazing...