I'm always amazed when people come here and ask a question, or ask for constructive criticism, then get it and get all bent out of shape about it. You asked a question, people commented on it and gave their opinions, now they're idiots and narrow minded. How fucking childish.

They've devised a scheme and made a deal with FedEx to allow them to box up hookers from Mongolia and ship them all over the world. The customer orders the hooker and he/she is delivered within 6 to 8 weeks. Once delivered, the customer is charged their monthly fee to keep the hooker until they cancel and return the hooker in an "unused" state, in an unopened box (customer pays for return shipping).

If the customer cancels their membership without returning the unused freight, they are charged an astronomical cancelation fee.

Yes I know how traffic varies, we as novices are out performing some others and some are out performing us. I'm talking averages and hyperthetical, *did I spell that right?*

I think what may happen is they set up their own unit to drive traffic, with a wage level of $500 per month that would be sensible. One monthly paid submitter converts 5 a day, 300 a month. Can be done because we do better with our site. 150 at 25% of $40 = $1,500. Upside is you make more money, downside is employing people.

The affilaites would be a bonus. Until enough learn this is a way to make money.

But at the moment it's all guesswork.

ARS do not have a site like this unless they are leasing it.

Because as I said it will be different from what anyone else is submitting. Most sites/porn niches can be copied and copied, then it comes down to how well it's copied and marketing. This is like most products.

Now think outside the box with a product that can't be duplicated easily and it will be a long time before it is.

thanks for your replies, Quiet if you want to bet on how long before this site is duplicated please tell me.

It depends on sales volume and retention.

Ahhhhh!

So, there it is -- you ARE saying you would have a problem with a 25% cut, simply BECAUSE it is a 25% cut, and without any concern for the actual ABSOLUTE dollar amount of return to you implicit in that 25% cut.

Now, that's problem.

How much the sponsor program pays you (as a percentage of order revenue) has really worked its way into the Webmaster psyche. I realized this when I saw fools responding to offers of 70% here, 80% there when I took over the program for my prior employer. I realized it's emotional, it's based on the relatively short history of our business and the relatively NARROW range of conversion performance we have observed in our professional lives.

So long as the difference between 25% of this and 50% of that is limited by some inescapable threshold of absolute convertibility (which is to say, there is no possible difference in the merit of the INVESTMENT we can imagine great enough to overcome the difference between 25% and 50%) I will agree with you.

Then, to consider charly's question would be a fruitless exercise.

But, let's begin to anticipate a state of affairs in which the Webmaster (affiliate) is NOT so keenly aware of the sponsor's profit margin.

This would be the case if we allowed just the sponsors to worry about HOW they convert the traffic they get, and HOW LARGE their margins are.

A parallel benefit, to the senders of traffic, would be that they, then, could focus on identifying the best traffic destinations on the basis of ROI rather than on their prejudices regarding the site model, the location of the servers, etc.

If I have my druthers, Adult paysites (that pass muster) will be presented to Mainstream traffic "Investors" as "Investment Vehicles" with all the rewards of a high-risk equity, but with a paradigmatic shift in the location and nature of the risk AWAY from the actual operations of the "invested-in" company, and over to a subjective, political realm where those risks can be addressed with clever architectures.


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Show Me The Money!

no matter what the content is if it's a monthly subscription based model nobody is going to take 25% - EVEN if it did convert and retain at twice the rate the best sites do - which is almost impossible. There are no magic sites out there with freakish retention rates compared to the rest - I do know some who are at the top end of retention rates but it's not like they are averaging 6 months retention. If the concept is that unique, that good, he'll have to think outside the box a bit and figure out some other billing model.

Webmasters do send traffic to cam sites and PPV sites for a 25% payout - but those businesses are a whole other animal than membership subscription sites. If AEBN offered monthly memberships to surfers at 30 bucks a month and paid 25% revshare to affiliates nobody would send any traffic.

If this site is so special maybe try daily or weekly memberships or PPV/PPD

I think it is a great idea.
the sooner you run out of money and go away the better for me and others.

if it is widely profitable on the internet, 6-8 months.

Yes, but what if it WERE possible, and you got the checks and you cashed them?

Why would you care?

That's the problem with rev. share -- it makes the Webmaster your fucking comptroller.


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Don't ask the question if you can't handle the answer. How many brand new programs have you seen that talked about their great conversion ratios, and fabulous retention rates? Join the crowd, everyone's idea has never been done. :helpme

To answer your question, no.

:glugglug

in fact, I will take it one step further . . . I am getting ready to launch a project that will include almost every affiliate program out there, and most people will get in for free, but there is no way I would waste the ad space for a program that is only paying 25%, unless it had been up for a while and had proven success . . . not just the speculative word of the program owner.

[QUOTE=charly]They are planning on something around 35 Euros a month.
QUOTE]

OK, so that's like $10 affiliate income/month.

Well, if this site would be converting and retaining like crazy, I don't see any problem at all. I'm just not sure if it will be able to compete against the established sponsors, their payouts and conversion ratios...

:thumbsup :thumbsup

if it did happen that somebody had a site where you could make much more at 25% than on sites offering 50% then yes there are smart webmasters out there who pick up on it - and keep their mouths shut.

however, if you were dependent on sales from outside traffic, then i can't see you ever becoming that big at 25... ever.

:thumbsup

I'm SOOOO relieved.


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I would agree.

Bottom line is what counts.

2HousePlague good post and now you can see why so many have $100 weekends and so many shave.

My question was simple would you promote a unique idea that converted better but paid less. That could not be duplicated easily

But too many thought it was clever to misread or mis interpretate what I said about Bang Bus than to answer the question.

Mutt you are right there are magic sights out there. But if you think webmasters would not promote a site based purely on the % they got rather than the bottom line you are thinking about the wrong kind of webmaster.

The owners have crunched the numbers and come up with the following. 50% is not profitable at the present price, raising the price will lower the conversions. so they have two options. For every hit that comes from the affiliate program at 50% another hit comes that can't be traced, shaving, paying out 25% and building a site that converts much better and keeps the member longer. Producing a better imcome for everyone.

This guy has already thought outside the box and except that this will be a unique site.
:thumbsup The right attitude.

$45/mo is pretty steep . . . and when you say you are dealing with something unique, are you shooting one-legged midgets or something? A naked chick, is a naked chick, is a naked chick.

So you don't think you can make money while I'm around?

Try competing with me rather than wishing.

Okay, I guess I have my answer (implicit in all the opinions expressed here).

What WOULD it take for a sender of serious traffic to IGNORE the mechanics and particulars of conversion, and focus JUST on his return?


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Some Recurring programs just jump in the scene build up a base and knock out the payouts under the guise of closing a program then live on the base themselves.

That pretty much should keep some folks in check regarding recurring programs.
Ya better make sure they been around a while before jumping in.

Wasnt there a program recently that did that?

Everyone should give up now. There's no money in porn. This Phantom Project ate it all, and is only paying out 25%. Fuck it. I'm going to mainstream.

8 months you might just see someone come up with a similar site, whether it will be as good is debateble.

But an 8 month start would be awesome.

Yes , i would but the site must be a good site and the idea too.

Agreed there are BRAND NEW programs launched daily. Give me one that is different and I will give you a prize.

This one is different and that's the unique thing about it. Except that is is totally unique then give me the answer.

It could have something to do with the source. :2 cents:

Plus, you just have to love the "a site that converts 1:50 at 25% with members staying longer" comment on a site that does not exist.

My Synopsis:
Charly says, "Hey, so this guy has an idea and I think it's really cool. He spent a SHITLOAD of money on it, and wants to make his money back! Do you think it will work?"

Very true. It will have to prove itself, few would take it on off chance. Unless they were giving 100% for one day and shaving the arse off of it. :winkwink:

It looks like English, but I can't understand a word you're saying. :helpme

You cannot guarantee 1:50 conversions to any of your affiliates :2 cents:

No offense Charly, but this thread would have been more interesting if you had just posted a smiley.

And these are the 10% who send 90% of the traffic.

One question : if your site would be converting that well, why would you put your energy in a webmaster referral program and not just buy tons of traffic to feed it with ? Might turn out to be cheaper, too.

When you put it like that, yeah, I do promote products that pay 25%, but they are all hard goods.

Another tunnel and track thinker.

I would of expected more from you. :(

hahahaha . . . what's really funny is that not more than 10 minutes ago I was telling Paul that he would have to include hookers at the prices he was talking about

Of course at the moment I was asking a question. Maybe the wrong place to ask and maybe not.

Those who really can drive and convert will look at two thing, the check at the end ot the week and the money spent to get it.

Some here look at the % and the free gifts. :1orglaugh

At 25% I will probably employ people to submit and earn a profit from it. If it is as good as I expect.

honestly Charly I think you are making 1 mistake.Ok lets say idea is great.Lets say content (whatever it is) is topnoch.But the sources of traffic are still the same - that is very important and maybe more important then the quality level of the content.
Also you said its impossible to copy the idea in a short time.Ok when did they start it up?Considering tech equipment they must have started like 3 years ago (using 3 mpix olympus - joke)- if not then its just a metter of time (not so long) to copy that.4 000 000 is nothing , you can't even a buy a good house in Prague for this change.
If the idea is so great then somebody copy that and make that investmet pretty fast - you might be surprised.
Also you mentioned conv. ratios 1:200 comparing with 1:50 - man do you have an idea what it takes to get any paysite on 1:200 ??
Maybe I am not right but ussual paysite is about 1:1500 , good 1 is about 1:900 and the top sites must be like 1 :300 - maybe I am not right and pls correct my numbers if so.
I run www.outdoorpiss.com for few days with excl. content (and its very niche site) and it looks like it converts in 1:250 (too soon to judge) but its very hard to do it man , very hard.