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Spunky · 04-06-2005, 08:05 PM

50 Shavers

will76 · 04-06-2005, 08:11 PM

The other point to post is that " small guys" dont get enough traffic to really judge a ratio day by day... sometimes people signup sometiems they don't if you are basing you ratios off of 500 or 1000 hits a day you are insaine. You should be going off of your ratio from month to month to see how it is comparing. The more volume you do the shorter period of time you can use to compare your ratio to get a fair average.

flip a coin 6 times each day, most days you will get 3 heads 3 tails but some days it maybe 5 heads - 6 heads - 4 heads... does that mean anything about your stats.. no.. well only thing it means is that you shouldn;t be calculating it on a daily average.. you should be adding them up for the whole month... need more volume for a fair average.

Paraskass · 04-06-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

You know Diddly Squat about diversivication. (sp) That's why you've been flying those same $1700 stats in your sig for damn near two years because that was your BEST pay period ever conversionwise.

WTF are you talking about?
I could post new stats with the same pictures.

Before calling me out like that for not posting pictures of my stats, start posting pictures of your ugly face. I never disrespected you. I run my sites like I want.

I never attacked you for fucking all those filthy crackwhores and making profit off druggies.

ULVideo · 04-06-2005, 08:57 PM

Most sites have a "shelf life" and conversion ratios go down as time goes on. This is especially true of sites with large programs which get heavily promoted, and promoted by more and more webmasters, TGPs, etc. It's a classic case of diminishing marginal returns. As time goes on, there's a greater and greater chance that any individual surfer you send to the site's tour has already seen it and either bought or declined already. Once a surfer has aseen a site and NOT bought, the chances of them buying on a second, third, 15th...... time thru (even looking at a different tour page) becomes less and less. In addition, the site soing the referring may very well be geting the same visitors over and over again (face it, if it's a decent site, it will get return visitors). Remember, when we talk about "uniques", it's not uniques since the start of the world. If you get the same people visiting your site every day (not the exact same....duh) but you keep sending them to the same sites to join, isn't it natural that the one's which were going to join did already, and the one's which didn't aren't going to? It's aone of the reasons why you HAVE TO change whre you're sending your traffic, even if you're getting good results (and yes, I understand that good programs are always adding new sites, but never as fast as surfers go thru them).

wargames · 04-06-2005, 09:03 PM

how true you are on this one

Paul Markham · 04-06-2005, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

LOL... what do you expect when the ' pay ' 50 or even 60% of the income ....

Would you signup to an honest program paying 35 % ... probably not.

Truth.

Most of them will sign up to a program that converts 1:400 and pays 60% and ignore a program that converts 1:150 and pays 40%

Paul Markham · 04-06-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueQuartz

wtf are you talking about

we the affiliate are generating the fuckin signups - why shouldnt we be getting 50 or 60% ? - some programs offer more for volume...

Every revshare sponsor is crooked according to your warped logic

Let's just get one thing right, you are not generating the fuckin signups.

You are sending traffic, usually using the free content, galleries and hosting given to you by the sponsor, to the paysite that generates the sign ups. This is done by having good content, good hosting good design, good programming, good customer sevice.

All these things cost money and at 60% less the 5-15% the processor takes it's hardly worth having your extra business. Of course the sponsor could cut back on the content, or the hosting or the design to pay you. Then the ratios would drop and you would earn less money.

I'm very lucky that I'm based in Czech where I can employ some one for $500 to $600 a month. But the one guy we have submitting 4 days a week is generating over 35 sales a week and he has other jobs to do.

35 x 15 = 525 x 4 weeks - $2100 That is what I would pay an affiliate who did the same job.

Beware the whole sunmitting business does not wake up to this fact. Then their dependency on people like you will be over. I'm reckoning on just the $15 a sign, add to it the adverts to entice you, the shows to attend, stands, affiliate support and everything else and you will see it's time to work and keep your head low.

Most affiliates do little more than submit to free sites. Something that can be done by most people after a weeks training.

WWC · 04-06-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nofx

get used to it

they love fucking over the 'little guys' in the biz

Not true with all programs..."little guys " are who make a big difference for us...a lot of little guys makes 1 big one...so we appreciate and welcome everyone!

Only the honest and the good programs will be here for the long run...people who "shave" are the scums of the earth and wont be around in the future....

Just remember these words..the good and honest will be here in 2006, 2007 , and 2010 of this industry.....i have been in this industry since 1989 and online since 1995 and AdultLounge.com was launched in 2003 and will be here in 2010...or more and so will some other good people who run programs...how can people expect to have a prosperous long term relationship with their affiliate " PARTNERS" by screwing them...it evetually will come out and smell...

Paul Markham · 04-06-2005, 11:19 PM

If a sponsor is shaving he's going to be doing it in a way that an affiliate will never know or realise, or he's an idiot and will not be around for long.

Any programmer worth his salt can write a cript that will drop 1:100 to 99:100 of the coded links to the join page. This can be set very easiliy and the sponsor can just raise the drop out day by day.

They can even do it to only certain affiliates, say everyone with over 5 joins a day.

o if you ratio goes from 1:150 to 1:1500 in a day -week there is a problem. Maybe the sponsor is going broke and can't pay, maybe he's got a problem with his program - let's face it these things happen, or maybe you have a problem with your traffic - did it suddenly rise? We get listed on Worldsex and AL4a, sign ups have gone way up, ratios way down.

There is only one way to calculate this job.

Hours worked x money spent x money earned.

What if I, as a sponsor, gave you content that got you lised more often and on better freesites. isn't that worth something out of your % or would you rather be with a guy giving you rubbish content and 10% more?

andrej_NDC · 04-06-2005, 11:33 PM

do a test sign-up

Matt_WildCash · 04-07-2005, 12:07 AM

Shaving is overrated, its not happening like people think. If people shave hard then there affilates lose money and there affialtes get bad ratio's and move onto another sponsor program instead. We can pay $25-30 on $1 trials all day long with Wildcash.com and spend US$10,000 a month on free hosting for affilates and still make good profits. Its a numbers game and the smart who can work it out can do just fine and no shaving is not nessesary.

will76 · 04-07-2005, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charly

Let's just get one thing right, you are not generating the fuckin signups.

You are sending traffic, usually using the free content, galleries and hosting given to you by the sponsor, to the paysite that generates the sign ups. This is done by having good content, good hosting good design, good programming, good customer sevice.

All these things cost money and at 60% less the 5-15% the processor takes it's hardly worth having your extra business. Of course the sponsor could cut back on the content, or the hosting or the design to pay you. Then the ratios would drop and you would earn less money.

I'm very lucky that I'm based in Czech where I can employ some one for $500 to $600 a month. But the one guy we have submitting 4 days a week is generating over 35 sales a week and he has other jobs to do.

35 x 15 = 525 x 4 weeks - $2100 That is what I would pay an affiliate who did the same job.

Beware the whole sunmitting business does not wake up to this fact. Then their dependency on people like you will be over. I'm reckoning on just the $15 a sign, add to it the adverts to entice you, the shows to attend, stands, affiliate support and everything else and you will see it's time to work and keep your head low.

Most affiliates do little more than submit to free sites. Something that can be done by most people after a weeks training.

I dissagree .. at least it is not the case with me... 99% of the time I use my own page(s) and link to the signup page. which is a simple form, I sell them on what the site has to offer not the site.

will76 · 04-07-2005, 12:49 AM

negative people make no money... or least the vast majority of them don't...

none of you can prove anyone shaves... so why be negative and dwell on it.

like previous poster said " Hours worked x money spent x money earned."

need to be positive:
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=453004

BVF · 04-07-2005, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass

WTF are you talking about?
I could post new stats with the same pictures.

Before calling me out like that for not posting pictures of my stats, start posting pictures of your ugly face. I never disrespected you. I run my sites like I want.

I never attacked you for fucking all those filthy crackwhores and making profit off druggies.

I ain't showing another grown man my face for SHIT....And you got it right...I make a "PROFIT" off of druggies, therefore, I have no reason to complain about other sponsors shaving because I run my OWN SHIT.

I'm not the one who started this thread so like toodamnfli said, post PROOF or STFU.

baddog · 04-07-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Paraskass

. . . and have houses the size of mansions.

Aren't "houses the size of mansions" actually mansions? If not, what is the difference? Just wondering

baddog · 04-07-2005, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .?.

I know a program which doesn't shave, has big payouts, but is run by the worst fucking assholes on the planet. I prefer the shaving by nice dudes.

I can relate,

baddog · 04-07-2005, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Dude look at your ref code.

Its fucking 564f6sd4dsf56a43w446434563244562344.

How hard is it to change that. Its not like anyone would remember.

Good catch

baddog · 04-07-2005, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

I have a sponsor that goes from 1:500 to 1:5000 on a monthly basis like clockwork. February was great, March was horrible, April will probably end up great again. And no, I'm not sending new traffic to these guys, it's all old stuff that I can't change.

I send traffic to 30-40 different sponsors. This is the ONLY one that I see fluctuations like that with. I have 2 other people telling me the exact same thing. Gee... I wonder what's going on.

Okay, I am lost. You are convinced that they are shaving you every other month, yet you stay with them. Are the non-shave months that good that you can't send your traffic to a sponsor that doesn't fluctuate?

Rui · 04-07-2005, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

You people who think all companies shave are crazy... that shit is about as dumb as believing that there are slow times of the year

maybe 1 or 2 companies shave but I doubt more then that.

keep saying that to yourself....

Voodoo · 04-07-2005, 03:07 AM

If they didn't shave, they would end up looking like this guy:

adonthenet · 04-07-2005, 03:13 AM

if ill have affi program one day.. ill offer 80% ..

will76 · 04-07-2005, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

keep saying that to yourself....

More like, idiots that think most/all sponsors shave should keep saying that to themselves, they obviously need excuses why they are not making more money...

Well fortunetly i have more then just my mere words to make me believe what I am saying.. which part do you disagree with?

Alex · 04-07-2005, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voodoo

If they didn't shave, they would end up looking like this guy:

So fucking owned

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will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	The other point to post is that " small guys" dont get enough traffic to really judge a ratio day by day... sometimes people signup sometiems they don't if you are basing you ratios off of 500 or 1000 hits a day you are insaine. You should be going off of your ratio from month to month to see how it is comparing. The more volume you do the shorter period of time you can use to compare your ratio to get a fair average. flip a coin 6 times each day, most days you will get 3 heads 3 tails but some days it maybe 5 heads - 6 heads - 4 heads... does that mean anything about your stats.. no.. well only thing it means is that you shouldn;t be calculating it on a daily average.. you should be adding them up for the whole month... need more volume for a fair average. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

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wargames Kliris Join Date: May 2003 Location: ca Posts: 10,423	how true you are on this one __________________ ICQ 212-115-582 Email Steve at Vas Media Group .com

04-06-2005, 11:19 PM	#59
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	If a sponsor is shaving he's going to be doing it in a way that an affiliate will never know or realise, or he's an idiot and will not be around for long. Any programmer worth his salt can write a cript that will drop 1:100 to 99:100 of the coded links to the join page. This can be set very easiliy and the sponsor can just raise the drop out day by day. They can even do it to only certain affiliates, say everyone with over 5 joins a day. o if you ratio goes from 1:150 to 1:1500 in a day -week there is a problem. Maybe the sponsor is going broke and can't pay, maybe he's got a problem with his program - let's face it these things happen, or maybe you have a problem with your traffic - did it suddenly rise? We get listed on Worldsex and AL4a, sign ups have gone way up, ratios way down. There is only one way to calculate this job. Hours worked x money spent x money earned. What if I, as a sponsor, gave you content that got you lised more often and on better freesites. isn't that worth something out of your % or would you rather be with a guy giving you rubbish content and 10% more? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

04-07-2005, 12:49 AM	#63
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	You guys are too negative... negative people make no money... or least the vast majority of them don't... none of you can prove anyone shaves... so why be negative and dwell on it. like previous poster said " Hours worked x money spent x money earned." need to be positive: http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=453004 __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

04-06-2005, 08:57 PM	#54
ULVideo Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New York Posts: 405	Most sites have a "shelf life" and conversion ratios go down as time goes on. This is especially true of sites with large programs which get heavily promoted, and promoted by more and more webmasters, TGPs, etc. It's a classic case of diminishing marginal returns. As time goes on, there's a greater and greater chance that any individual surfer you send to the site's tour has already seen it and either bought or declined already. Once a surfer has aseen a site and NOT bought, the chances of them buying on a second, third, 15th...... time thru (even looking at a different tour page) becomes less and less. In addition, the site soing the referring may very well be geting the same visitors over and over again (face it, if it's a decent site, it will get return visitors). Remember, when we talk about "uniques", it's not uniques since the start of the world. If you get the same people visiting your site every day (not the exact same....duh) but you keep sending them to the same sites to join, isn't it natural that the one's which were going to join did already, and the one's which didn't aren't going to? It's aone of the reasons why you HAVE TO change whre you're sending your traffic, even if you're getting good results (and yes, I understand that good programs are always adding new sites, but never as fast as surfers go thru them).

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andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	do a test sign-up

04-07-2005, 12:07 AM	#61
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	Shaving is overrated, its not happening like people think. If people shave hard then there affilates lose money and there affialtes get bad ratio's and move onto another sponsor program instead. We can pay $25-30 on $1 trials all day long with Wildcash.com and spend US$10,000 a month on free hosting for affilates and still make good profits. Its a numbers game and the smart who can work it out can do just fine and no shaving is not nessesary.

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Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,592	If they didn't shave, they would end up looking like this guy:

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