I'm sick of all the fucking shaving in this business.
 

Maybe it's not as obvious to those of you who run HUGE sites. A couple of signups won't really affect your stats, but when smaller guys like me are used to doing 1:150 to 1:250 for a year on end, NOTHING can justify dropping to 1:800 to 1:1500 all of a sudden while other sponsors keep converting. I am not naming names, you know who you are.

:321GFY

Guess what sponsor WON'T shave you? I won't name names either.

:1orglaugh :thumbsup cute

LOL... what do you expect when the ' pay ' 50 or even 60% of the income ....

Would you signup to an honest program paying 35 % ... probably not.

Thanks for acknowloging my cuteness. :)

Give us a try.. we maintain constant conversion ratios across all our sites... and our new adult dating sites are converting about 1/150 on good traffic.

when you get an ebony site, hit me up.

Damnit there go those free trials paying $50 I was looking forward to sending to. Plus I need FHG's, new ones weekly at that, FPA's, content, and it better be exclusive. Atleast 400 different shaped banners also, a personal rep also. Throw in some freesites for my linklist also. Dont dare think about consoles on "my" link codes either, and wtf is with these damn x-sales I dont get credit for. WTF is up with this industry. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

still, they ride around in 150,000$ cars and have houses the size of mansions.

You got it :)

get used to it

they love fucking over the 'little guys' in the biz

I know a program which doesn't shave, has big payouts, but is run by the worst fucking assholes on the planet. I prefer the shaving by nice dudes.

wtf are you talking about

we the affiliate are generating the fuckin signups - why shouldnt we be getting 50 or 60% ? - some programs offer more for volume...

Every revshare sponsor is crooked according to your warped logic

Perhaps just a bad day? The scrub may be on overdrive as well. When my attempt to join drops 50% in one day I know who to thank.

Lots of things can justify ratios going from 1:150 to 1:1500 that are not the sponsor shaving.

I would name some examples, but I dont feel like it.

post proof or STFU

We dont shave.

i shave my balls

Exactly, affiliates dont do the math, they want 50-60% PLUS 50-60% of recurring, that does not leave the webmaster anything to pay his bills with, buy new content or anything else.
when a sponser pays that much out, someone is going go get ripped somewhere, either the customer or the affiliate.

Dude look at your ref code.

Its fucking 564f6sd4dsf56a43w446434563244562344.

How hard is it to change that. Its not like anyone would remember.

So fucking true...I mean people want all for nothng nowadays :disgust

that still doesn't justify it. shaving is theft. period. I give a fuck about your overhead.

idiot

Are they using NATS?

Exactly if you know they are shaving why not post proof? If you don't have proof then how do you know they are shaving?

Some of you took the stane "$50 per trial. what do you expect" while others took the stance "50% revshare, what do you think".

Clearly the pople that think 50% revshare is hard to payout are RETARDED. What are they thinking? Easiest way to spot retards ever.


BTW - I expect to get what I am told. Nothing more, nothing less.

In 8 years, I haven't seen many webmasters that could hold a 1:150 ratio for over a year. It has been done yeah, but not often. The only people I see doing that these days are SE traffic based sites or people really working good fresh traffic sources.

It's pretty simple. Your traffic gets tired of seeing the site and/or same tours of the same site. While some sites do seem to stand strong for long periods of time, most don't, unless they are showing fresh updates, tours, something unique.

Same reason webmasters request fresh galleries.

that's totally untrue
someone who's been in the business as long as you have should know better
it is definitely possible to pay out 50 and 60% and still be profitable
there are upsells, exit consoles, cross sales, after sales, inhouse traffic and other ways of generating revenue besides affiliate traffic...

Amen brotha :thumbsup

exactly, u beat me to it to say that.

I shave my balls ;) sorry had to

shaving is popular these days...
http://www.hsdejong.nl/burma/bagan/t...es/shaving.jpg

Like that makes a difference?

You took the words right out of my mouth. I know that there are many companies that do not shave, and it's a rare thing to find a company that does. Sometimes rations just drop after a long period of time. There's saturation, competition and traffic sources to take into consideration.

Apparently you don't do the math either.

It's called volume.

Get a course in comprehension .. then you can post again ...

do mainstream, the bs there is even greater...

I know exactly what program your talking about. Same stats here. I just deleted every link to them. They also played a little game claiming there checks had been lost in the mail last month.

Nothing can justify going from 1:150 to 1:5000 if there has been no change in traffic.

Drama alert anyone?

As soon as you see such a drastic change.. drop the sponsor and go elsewhere..

All sorts of excuses are made as to the difference.. don't waste your time with it all...

Chance and move on..

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thats 2 for 2 today.

You have got to be either on drugs or clueless.

Ratios are what you are converting at now. They do not mean that you will continue converting at the same for everwhere and if not then the sponsor is shaving.

Have you ever thought that your traffic might be shit that day or that they just dont want to join.

Dont assume that just by sendign to a paysite you will see a steady ratiol.

I have a sponsor that goes from 1:500 to 1:5000 on a monthly basis like clockwork. February was great, March was horrible, April will probably end up great again. And no, I'm not sending new traffic to these guys, it's all old stuff that I can't change.

I send traffic to 30-40 different sponsors. This is the ONLY one that I see fluctuations like that with. I have 2 other people telling me the exact same thing. Gee... I wonder what's going on.

time to do some reverse engineering on your traffic and find out whats hurting your ratios

That's what happens when you whore out your WHOLE tgp to be nothing but a FPA for Nasty Dollar's Round And Brown.

:2 cents:

You know Diddly Squat about diversivication. (sp) That's why you've been flying those same $1700 stats in your sig for damn near two years because that was your BEST pay period ever conversionwise.

I CAN DO THAT :thumbsup

At one point I got really tired of all the shaving so I decided to whip up my own paysites, lease a member area and see if things would get any better. At that point I had approx 800K per day and guess what... suddenly I made a whole lot more money and my ratio was steady around 1:400.

make you own site to stop the shaves

World events can justify a change like that. BUt I dont think the pope kicking the bucket is a worls event like that.

You people who think all companies shave are crazy... that shit is about as dumb as believing that there are slow times of the year :1orglaugh maybe 1 or 2 companies shave but I doubt more then that.

unsucessfull people inherenty look for excuses why they are not making money. Maybe you traffic got shitty, and if you say its the same traffic you been getting then maybe you need to freshenup your pages. If you claim you changed your pages recently then maybe the design you are using now is not coverting and thats the reason. There are several reasons why your conversion ratio may have gotten worse. If you using an affiliates banner or content maybe that same chick has been saturated and it's time for you to use a new one.. so many reasons... and *blamming* the company is not going to fix the problem. It just makes you feel better and is an excuse you can feed yourself so you can sleep at night not feeling like a failure.

As far as the companies that do shave, if there are any... Don't you think they hit the people who send them the most signups the hardest ?? The last thing they would want to do would be to get caught so what makes more sense to take 5 signups a week away from a person who only gets 2 a day, or take 5 signups a day from someone who gets a 100 singups. Trust me, if companies shave they hit the bigger affiliates harder, who still make good money after the saving and who are less likely to notice it. It only seems logical. And if this is the case and you are a small fry bitching about shaving, then you still have no excuses not to be successfull, especially when there are people who make 10x you pushing the same program and who getting hit harder then you with shaving. If they can do it why cant you... maybe they are not making excuses... so it basically comes down to mind set if you want to be successful, if you make excuses then typically thats all you make, if you kick ass and work your butt off and stfu about bitching about shit you have no idea if it is even true or not, then you will make good money. how many people do you know that make a lot of money that are always complaining about something ?