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Paraskass · 04-06-2005, 02:50 PM

Maybe it's not as obvious to those of you who run HUGE sites. A couple of signups won't really affect your stats, but when smaller guys like me are used to doing 1:150 to 1:250 for a year on end, NOTHING can justify dropping to 1:800 to 1:1500 all of a sudden while other sponsors keep converting. I am not naming names, you know who you are.

imaginax · 04-06-2005, 02:52 PM

Guess what sponsor WON'T shave you? I won't name names either.

04-06-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by imaginax

Guess what sponsor WON'T shave you? I won't name names either.

cute

directfiesta · 04-06-2005, 02:53 PM

LOL... what do you expect when the ' pay ' 50 or even 60% of the income ....

Would you signup to an honest program paying 35 % ... probably not.

imaginax · 04-06-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bdjuf

cute

Thanks for acknowloging my cuteness.

LionDollars · 04-06-2005, 02:55 PM

Give us a try.. we maintain constant conversion ratios across all our sites... and our new adult dating sites are converting about 1/150 on good traffic.

Paraskass · 04-06-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imaginax

Guess what sponsor WON'T shave you? I won't name names either.

when you get an ebony site, hit me up.

Veterans Day · 04-06-2005, 02:57 PM

Damnit there go those free trials paying $50 I was looking forward to sending to. Plus I need FHG's, new ones weekly at that, FPA's, content, and it better be exclusive. Atleast 400 different shaped banners also, a personal rep also. Throw in some freesites for my linklist also. Dont dare think about consoles on "my" link codes either, and wtf is with these damn x-sales I dont get credit for. WTF is up with this industry.

Paraskass · 04-06-2005, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

LOL... what do you expect when the ' pay ' 50 or even 60% of the income ....

Would you signup to an honest program paying 35 % ... probably not.

still, they ride around in 150,000$ cars and have houses the size of mansions.

imaginax · 04-06-2005, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass

when you get an ebony site, hit me up.

You got it

nofx · 04-06-2005, 03:03 PM

get used to it

they love fucking over the 'little guys' in the biz

who · 04-06-2005, 03:10 PM

I know a program which doesn't shave, has big payouts, but is run by the worst fucking assholes on the planet. I prefer the shaving by nice dudes.

BlueQuartz · 04-06-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

LOL... what do you expect when the ' pay ' 50 or even 60% of the income ....

Would you signup to an honest program paying 35 % ... probably not.

wtf are you talking about

we the affiliate are generating the fuckin signups - why shouldnt we be getting 50 or 60% ? - some programs offer more for volume...

Every revshare sponsor is crooked according to your warped logic

Furious_Male · 04-06-2005, 03:14 PM

Perhaps just a bad day? The scrub may be on overdrive as well. When my attempt to join drops 50% in one day I know who to thank.

SomeCreep · 04-06-2005, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass

when smaller guys like me are used to doing 1:150 to 1:250 for a year on end, NOTHING can justify dropping to 1:800 to 1:1500 all of a sudden while other sponsors keep converting. I am not naming names, you know who you are.

Lots of things can justify ratios going from 1:150 to 1:1500 that are not the sponsor shaving.

I would name some examples, but I dont feel like it.

TDF · 04-06-2005, 03:21 PM

post proof or STFU

decrypted · 04-06-2005, 03:50 PM

We dont shave.

skinnay · 04-06-2005, 03:55 PM

i shave my balls

venus · 04-06-2005, 03:55 PM

Exactly, affiliates dont do the math, they want 50-60% PLUS 50-60% of recurring, that does not leave the webmaster anything to pay his bills with, buy new content or anything else.
when a sponser pays that much out, someone is going go get ripped somewhere, either the customer or the affiliate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

LOL... what do you expect when the ' pay ' 50 or even 60% of the income ....

Alex · 04-06-2005, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LionDollars

Give us a try.. we maintain constant conversion ratios across all our sites... and our new adult dating sites are converting about 1/150 on good traffic.

Dude look at your ref code.

Its fucking 564f6sd4dsf56a43w446434563244562344.

How hard is it to change that. Its not like anyone would remember.

Rui · 04-06-2005, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

Damnit there go those free trials paying $50 I was looking forward to sending to. Plus I need FHG's, new ones weekly at that, FPA's, content, and it better be exclusive. Atleast 400 different shaped banners also, a personal rep also. Throw in some freesites for my linklist also. Dont dare think about consoles on "my" link codes either, and wtf is with these damn x-sales I dont get credit for. WTF is up with this industry.

So fucking true...I mean people want all for nothng nowadays

XxXotic · 04-06-2005, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

Damnit there go those free trials paying $50 I was looking forward to sending to. Plus I need FHG's, new ones weekly at that, FPA's, content, and it better be exclusive. Atleast 400 different shaped banners also, a personal rep also. Throw in some freesites for my linklist also. Dont dare think about consoles on "my" link codes either, and wtf is with these damn x-sales I dont get credit for. WTF is up with this industry.

that still doesn't justify it. shaving is theft. period. I give a fuck about your overhead.

idiot

TheSenator · 04-06-2005, 04:03 PM

Are they using NATS?

eddie-executive · 04-06-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by toodamnfli

post proof or STFU

Exactly if you know they are shaving why not post proof? If you don't have proof then how do you know they are shaving?

Kard63 · 04-06-2005, 04:24 PM

Some of you took the stane "$50 per trial. what do you expect" while others took the stance "50% revshare, what do you think".

Clearly the pople that think 50% revshare is hard to payout are RETARDED. What are they thinking? Easiest way to spot retards ever.

BTW - I expect to get what I am told. Nothing more, nothing less.

TheDoc · 04-06-2005, 04:25 PM

In 8 years, I haven't seen many webmasters that could hold a 1:150 ratio for over a year. It has been done yeah, but not often. The only people I see doing that these days are SE traffic based sites or people really working good fresh traffic sources.

It's pretty simple. Your traffic gets tired of seeing the site and/or same tours of the same site. While some sites do seem to stand strong for long periods of time, most don't, unless they are showing fresh updates, tours, something unique.

Same reason webmasters request fresh galleries.

SykkBoy · 04-06-2005, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus

Exactly, affiliates dont do the math, they want 50-60% PLUS 50-60% of recurring, that does not leave the webmaster anything to pay his bills with, buy new content or anything else.
when a sponser pays that much out, someone is going go get ripped somewhere, either the customer or the affiliate.

that's totally untrue
someone who's been in the business as long as you have should know better
it is definitely possible to pay out 50 and 60% and still be profitable
there are upsells, exit consoles, cross sales, after sales, inhouse traffic and other ways of generating revenue besides affiliate traffic...

SetTheWorldonFire · 04-06-2005, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toodamnfli

post proof or STFU

Amen brotha

nico-t · 04-06-2005, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxXotic

that still doesn't justify it. shaving is theft. period. I give a fuck about your overhead.

idiot

exactly, u beat me to it to say that.

Pete-KT · 04-06-2005, 05:19 PM

I shave my balls ;) sorry had to

zentz · 04-06-2005, 05:39 PM

shaving is popular these days...

Alex · 04-06-2005, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Are they using NATS?

Like that makes a difference?

04-06-2005, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

that's totally untrue
someone who's been in the business as long as you have should know better
it is definitely possible to pay out 50 and 60% and still be profitable
there are upsells, exit consoles, cross sales, after sales, inhouse traffic and other ways of generating revenue besides affiliate traffic...

You took the words right out of my mouth. I know that there are many companies that do not shave, and it's a rare thing to find a company that does. Sometimes rations just drop after a long period of time. There's saturation, competition and traffic sources to take into consideration.

Sly · 04-06-2005, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus

Exactly, affiliates dont do the math, they want 50-60% PLUS 50-60% of recurring, that does not leave the webmaster anything to pay his bills with, buy new content or anything else.
when a sponser pays that much out, someone is going go get ripped somewhere, either the customer or the affiliate.

Apparently you don't do the math either.

It's called volume.

directfiesta · 04-06-2005, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueQuartz

wtf are you talking about

we the affiliate are generating the fuckin signups - why shouldnt we be getting 50 or 60% ? - some programs offer more for volume...

Every revshare sponsor is crooked according to your warped logic

Get a course in comprehension .. then you can post again ...

pstation · 04-06-2005, 06:07 PM

do mainstream, the bs there is even greater...

Worldnet · 04-06-2005, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass

Maybe it's not as obvious to those of you who run HUGE sites. A couple of signups won't really affect your stats, but when smaller guys like me are used to doing 1:150 to 1:250 for a year on end, NOTHING can justify dropping to 1:800 to 1:1500 all of a sudden while other sponsors keep converting. I am not naming names, you know who you are.

I know exactly what program your talking about. Same stats here. I just deleted every link to them. They also played a little game claiming there checks had been lost in the mail last month.

The Sultan Of Smut · 04-06-2005, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Lots of things can justify ratios going from 1:150 to 1:1500 that are not the sponsor shaving.

I would name some examples, but I dont feel like it.

Nothing can justify going from 1:150 to 1:5000 if there has been no change in traffic.

reynold · 04-06-2005, 06:20 PM

Drama alert anyone?

Scootermuze · 04-06-2005, 06:22 PM

As soon as you see such a drastic change.. drop the sponsor and go elsewhere..

All sorts of excuses are made as to the difference.. don't waste your time with it all...

Chance and move on..

Alex · 04-06-2005, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

As soon as you see such a drastic change.. drop the sponsor and go elsewhere..

All sorts of excuses are made as to the difference.. don't waste your time with it all...

Chance and move on..

Thats 2 for 2 today.

You have got to be either on drugs or clueless.

Ratios are what you are converting at now. They do not mean that you will continue converting at the same for everwhere and if not then the sponsor is shaving.

Have you ever thought that your traffic might be shit that day or that they just dont want to join.

Dont assume that just by sendign to a paysite you will see a steady ratiol.

Sly · 04-06-2005, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut

Nothing can justify going from 1:150 to 1:5000 if there has been no change in traffic.

I have a sponsor that goes from 1:500 to 1:5000 on a monthly basis like clockwork. February was great, March was horrible, April will probably end up great again. And no, I'm not sending new traffic to these guys, it's all old stuff that I can't change.

I send traffic to 30-40 different sponsors. This is the ONLY one that I see fluctuations like that with. I have 2 other people telling me the exact same thing. Gee... I wonder what's going on.

hydro · 04-06-2005, 06:30 PM

time to do some reverse engineering on your traffic and find out whats hurting your ratios

BVF · 04-06-2005, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass

Maybe it's not as obvious to those of you who run HUGE sites. A couple of signups won't really affect your stats, but when smaller guys like me are used to doing 1:150 to 1:250 for a year on end, NOTHING can justify dropping to 1:800 to 1:1500 all of a sudden while other sponsors keep converting. I am not naming names, you know who you are.

That's what happens when you whore out your WHOLE tgp to be nothing but a FPA for Nasty Dollar's Round And Brown.

BVF · 04-06-2005, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

That's what happens when you whore out your WHOLE tgp to be nothing but a FPA for Nasty Dollar's Round And Brown.

You know Diddly Squat about diversivication. (sp) That's why you've been flying those same $1700 stats in your sig for damn near two years because that was your BEST pay period ever conversionwise.

will76 · 04-06-2005, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

Damnit there go those free trials paying $50 I was looking forward to sending to. Plus I need FHG's, new ones weekly at that, FPA's, content, and it better be exclusive. Atleast 400 different shaped banners also, a personal rep also. Throw in some freesites for my linklist also. Dont dare think about consoles on "my" link codes either, and wtf is with these damn x-sales I dont get credit for. WTF is up with this industry.

I CAN DO THAT

DaLord · 04-06-2005, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paraskass

still, they ride around in 150,000$ cars and have houses the size of mansions.

At one point I got really tired of all the shaving so I decided to whip up my own paysites, lease a member area and see if things would get any better. At that point I had approx 800K per day and guess what... suddenly I made a whole lot more money and my ratio was steady around 1:400.

keyboard warrior · 04-06-2005, 07:54 PM

make you own site to stop the shaves

pornguy · 04-06-2005, 07:57 PM

World events can justify a change like that. BUt I dont think the pope kicking the bucket is a worls event like that.

will76 · 04-06-2005, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofx

get used to it

they love fucking over the 'little guys' in the biz

You people who think all companies shave are crazy... that shit is about as dumb as believing that there are slow times of the year

maybe 1 or 2 companies shave but I doubt more then that.

unsucessfull people inherenty look for excuses why they are not making money. Maybe you traffic got shitty, and if you say its the same traffic you been getting then maybe you need to freshenup your pages. If you claim you changed your pages recently then maybe the design you are using now is not coverting and thats the reason. There are several reasons why your conversion ratio may have gotten worse. If you using an affiliates banner or content maybe that same chick has been saturated and it's time for you to use a new one.. so many reasons... and *blamming* the company is not going to fix the problem. It just makes you feel better and is an excuse you can feed yourself so you can sleep at night not feeling like a failure.

As far as the companies that do shave, if there are any... Don't you think they hit the people who send them the most signups the hardest ?? The last thing they would want to do would be to get caught so what makes more sense to take 5 signups a week away from a person who only gets 2 a day, or take 5 signups a day from someone who gets a 100 singups. Trust me, if companies shave they hit the bigger affiliates harder, who still make good money after the saving and who are less likely to notice it. It only seems logical. And if this is the case and you are a small fry bitching about shaving, then you still have no excuses not to be successfull, especially when there are people who make 10x you pushing the same program and who getting hit harder then you with shaving. If they can do it why cant you... maybe they are not making excuses... so it basically comes down to mind set if you want to be successful, if you make excuses then typically thats all you make, if you kick ass and work your butt off and stfu about bitching about shit you have no idea if it is even true or not, then you will make good money. how many people do you know that make a lot of money that are always complaining about something ?

04-06-2005, 02:50 PM	#1
Paraskass Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: QC Posts: 5,829	I'm sick of all the fucking shaving in this business. Maybe it's not as obvious to those of you who run HUGE sites. A couple of signups won't really affect your stats, but when smaller guys like me are used to doing 1:150 to 1:250 for a year on end, NOTHING can justify dropping to 1:800 to 1:1500 all of a sudden while other sponsors keep converting. I am not naming names, you know who you are. __________________

04-06-2005, 02:52 PM	#2
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04-06-2005, 02:53 PM	#4
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04-06-2005, 02:55 PM	#6
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04-06-2005, 03:10 PM	#12
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	I know a program which doesn't shave, has big payouts, but is run by the worst fucking assholes on the planet. I prefer the shaving by nice dudes.

04-06-2005, 03:14 PM	#14
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Kard63 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 237 619 975 Posts: 8,944	Some of you took the stane "$50 per trial. what do you expect" while others took the stance "50% revshare, what do you think". Clearly the pople that think 50% revshare is hard to payout are RETARDED. What are they thinking? Easiest way to spot retards ever. BTW - I expect to get what I am told. Nothing more, nothing less. __________________

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	In 8 years, I haven't seen many webmasters that could hold a 1:150 ratio for over a year. It has been done yeah, but not often. The only people I see doing that these days are SE traffic based sites or people really working good fresh traffic sources. It's pretty simple. Your traffic gets tired of seeing the site and/or same tours of the same site. While some sites do seem to stand strong for long periods of time, most don't, unless they are showing fresh updates, tours, something unique. Same reason webmasters request fresh galleries. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

04-06-2005, 05:19 PM	#30
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04-06-2005, 06:07 PM	#36
pstation Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: chicago Posts: 1,135	do mainstream, the bs there is even greater...

04-06-2005, 06:20 PM	#39
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	Drama alert anyone?

04-06-2005, 06:22 PM	#40
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	As soon as you see such a drastic change.. drop the sponsor and go elsewhere.. All sorts of excuses are made as to the difference.. don't waste your time with it all... Chance and move on..

04-06-2005, 06:30 PM	#43
hydro Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dirty 3rd Posts: 4,216	time to do some reverse engineering on your traffic and find out whats hurting your ratios

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04-06-2005, 07:57 PM	#49
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