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Old 04-04-2005, 07:39 PM   #151
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So why is the screenshot 404 now?

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i never made a screenshot.

So dont ask me.

btw in case you did not bother to read the whole thread the sexocean trade was at 0 in 0 out in the screenshot.
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Old 04-04-2005, 07:40 PM   #152
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Out Going Prod:

Clicked First gallery. Went to a trade. Clicked at the trade got a gallery.
Clicked second gallery. Went to a trade. Clicked at the trade got a gallery.
Clicked third gallery. Went to a trade. Clicked at the trade got a gallery.


Conclusion.
His outgoing prod must be very high. Because the surfer gets a gallery when at the other tgp.

While to appearatne income can be made if you dick surfers around, and the site wont be stable if it goes down for a few days due to 0 bookmarkers.

It can be used as a nice way to send traffic.
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Old 04-04-2005, 08:17 PM   #153
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Out Going Prod:

Clicked First gallery. Went to a trade. Clicked at the trade got a gallery.
Clicked second gallery. Went to a trade. Clicked at the trade got a gallery.
Clicked third gallery. Went to a trade. Clicked at the trade got a gallery.


Conclusion.
His outgoing prod must be very high. Because the surfer gets a gallery when at the other tgp.
Or his outgoing prod is complete shit because the surfers keep getting sent to pages with content that doesn't match the pic they're clicking on. Click, "huh?", close. Repeat until you get the gallery, or give up.

The stats cap image is gone now but I'm pretty sure the return was relatively high. That usually means you don't have any really good trades so you're oversending, or your overall outgoing prod is on the lower side of average and you have to compensate by sending more.
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Old 04-04-2005, 11:02 PM   #154
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The thing that the high skim says is that you cant gurantee traffic.
You will never get any bookmarkers which are stable.
Your site goes down, youve lost all traffic. Trades drop you. Bookmarkers come back.
Takes ~24-48 hours to recover from a downtime, if you have downtime of 5-6 hours+ then you are being a cheap ass on hosting
The longest downtime I can remember I had the last few years was ~2 hours and that was when I had harddisk failure and lost all data, took me 30 minutes to notice, the host spend 30 minutes getting a virtual account up, took around 1 hour to get script setup, thumbs imported, trades added and IP updated in DNS's.
5 Hours later the site was on normal traffic level.
That happend in the middle of a sale of the site actually.
The site have stable trades, IE: same trades today that it had 2-4 weeks ago, more or less same size too
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Old 04-04-2005, 11:26 PM   #155
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Or his outgoing prod is complete shit because the surfers keep getting sent to pages with content that doesn't match the pic they're clicking on. Click, "huh?", close. Repeat until you get the gallery, or give up.

The stats cap image is gone now but I'm pretty sure the return was relatively high. That usually means you don't have any really good trades so you're oversending, or your overall outgoing prod is on the lower side of average and you have to compensate by sending more.
The returns is pretty high, but big trades remain big and there isn't much fluctuation in them, so I consider them good trades too.
Productivity is most likely average or little less than average because of the ranking of thumbs wich is done on each trade individually + automatic mainpage selection also for each trade individually. IE: Traffic from each trade is seing what works best for excactly that trade, and not just overalls like other thumb scripts. It would be similar to have a site with 10 trades, where you installed 11 comus scripts. 1 for each trade + 1 for noref visitors.
Needless to say that give me a productivity boost wich can cause me to have lower productivity on my trades (the more they click on my site, the less likely they are to click on my trades sites)
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:32 AM   #156
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It took me 9 clicks to get a galleries. ;\
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:35 AM   #157
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this guy is a fucking clown. expecting to get 8000$ for a 150k site.
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:04 AM   #159
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this guy is a fucking clown. expecting to get 8000$ for a 150k site.
Price is $7K not $8K, also it is normal to set the price a bit higher so you can haggle a about the price too.
If you can't make back $7K within 3 months from, if you use current settings, 65-100K / day to your galleries + 150-200K / day to your mainpage then I really do not wish to comment on who the clown is.
Well established sites are sold for 6 months worth of income.
This is not a well esablished site, and it is also impossible to give accurate figures as of the income, but $2000 per month is not unlikely at all for such a site, even with the current settings.
It would take very little effort to average 2-3 signups / day from it, wich is all that is requirred to average $2000-$2500 per month from it.
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Old 04-05-2005, 02:10 AM   #160
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Ok.. Ill make a lowball offer..

2k..

And if anyone has a 100k plus site and wants some cash, you know where to find me.

Just say "BP4L" three times and Ill be there.
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Old 04-05-2005, 02:37 AM   #161
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Ok.. Ill make a lowball offer..

2k..

And if anyone has a 100k plus site and wants some cash, you know where to find me.

Just say "BP4L" three times and Ill be there.
Hit me up on ICQ for the stuff we talked about last week, or the week before.
Got your account ready but I think I lost your ICQ.
Not going to sell this site for 2K though
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Old 04-05-2005, 03:00 PM   #162
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Sure it was.
how do you know if I was joking or not? exactly, you dont.
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Old 04-05-2005, 03:08 PM   #163
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Out Going Prod:

Clicked First gallery. Went to a trade. Clicked at the trade got a gallery.
Clicked second gallery. Went to a trade. Clicked at the trade got a gallery.
Clicked third gallery. Went to a trade. Clicked at the trade got a gallery.


Conclusion.
His outgoing prod must be very high. Because the surfer gets a gallery when at the other tgp.

While to appearatne income can be made if you dick surfers around, and the site wont be stable if it goes down for a few days due to 0 bookmarkers.

It can be used as a nice way to send traffic.

Sixth grade Michael Moore logic. If the surfer constantly gets jerked around, they will go eslewhere. How can he make a decent income when he sends the majority of his traffic to trades? Even CJ sites have bookmarkers. You stating his site has 0 bookmarkers is hilarious. Even a crappy site has bookmarks. Ofcourse the site wont be stable if it is losing traffic, I am glad you figured that one out.
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Old 04-05-2005, 03:33 PM   #164
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Ok.. Ill make a lowball offer..

2k..

And if anyone has a 100k plus site and wants some cash, you know where to find me.

Just say "BP4L" three times and Ill be there.
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Old 04-05-2005, 03:46 PM   #165
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Sixth grade Michael Moore logic. If the surfer constantly gets jerked around, they will go eslewhere. How can he make a decent income when he sends the majority of his traffic to trades? Even CJ sites have bookmarkers. You stating his site has 0 bookmarkers is hilarious. Even a crappy site has bookmarks. Ofcourse the site wont be stable if it is losing traffic, I am glad you figured that one out.

Coming from the person who values a 200k tgp at $500.

And by bookmarkers i dont mean the 5-10 a day your crappy sites get. Im talking about i the 5k-10k.

Of course he cant make a decent income. But if he through up a banner there with 150-200k exposure. He can make a nice bundle.
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blah sick of seeing this thread, i did the homework on it... typical guy trying to cash in on his realm... the ring of tgp's in that site are all ore mostly all owned by the same guy, looks to me he clones em and tries to pass em off for big cash.... the traffic will most likely stop within a few days when he feels its time.. its prolly real traffic but its all from the same realm

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I got a few wierd java popups while searching, tells me some spyware shit is being attempted, and there's nothing to purchase here.

Since I seen a attempted spyware attempt, leads me to believe that all traffic might be from circle jerked home pc's hit by the spyware.. thats a guess.. but most likely true since I am like the ultimate traffic security paranoid fuck you can be
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I can't believe anyone would buy a site that's only 1 month old and supposedly getting 150k-200k. What happens when all that purchased traffic gets shut off? Or all the feeder traffic from the developers network of sites?? How many times have we seen some new site rocket up to the top 10-20, everyone gets on their knees to suck on the owners dick... and then 6 months later it can't be found in the top 100, or it's struggling to stay in the top 50 maybe. But I guess there's plenty of sheep that will fall for this. I really should sart marketing crap to the sheep like everyone else.
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Old 04-05-2005, 06:38 PM   #168
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Given it's only a month old, it's going to have pretty much zero SE or bookmark traffic.. So sales will be basically nothing.
Every fucking trading tgp have the same exact kind of traffic (except the 5-10 biggest ones of every niche) . Yet they still make money . You got ZERO idea what you are talking about . I'm not saying the traffic is as valuable as a 200k bookmarked website, but nobody would sell a 200k bookmark website for 8k$ . You get what you pay for . Building traffic is harder then keeping it ...
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I'm just pointing out that spending 8k on a site like this is a waste of good money.. Unless you've got it burning a hole in your pocket or you just want another CJ traffic pump for your own network... But for someone else that actually wants to make a living with that site, it's a loser...
CJ traffic was total gold ... you got no clue what you are talking about ... it was worth 50x the tgp traffic ...
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there's no way the site is stable at 200k without feeding.

you're bullshitting us.
is JJJ stable ? It went down a lot in traffic ... yet it was stable for a long time .

Stability can only be created by the person that run the site and take the day to day decision / do the trading .

I've built huge tgps with no feeding after the first 24-48h
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10 clicks ---- 10 trades.. sounds like a CJ site to me.. What do YOU think a CJ site is.. Maybe you're the one that needs to go to "newbie" school..
He was talking about the "sales" part
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What is it then ? Bookmarkers ?
You just prooved every1 you were the biggest fucking newbie and idiot arround . Shut your pie hole and learn before you start fronting .
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Btw I'm not saying you should buy this tgp, or that it's a good deal . Personally I wouldn't buy it for that price if I was looking for a trading tgp .

But I'm saying that there are so many newbies arround that run their mouth without knowing ANYTHING about trading tgps ... it's funny to see how many fucking clueless idiots are posting on here .
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Wow...

I guess shelling out some cash to DamageX for a TGP/MGP with a better skim percentage would be silly. Especially when you can buy 2 for less than the $7k asking price.

Sandman... When did you become a guy that calls everybody names who brings up legitimate points?

Even if the price were reasonable, your attitude in this thread makes any business dealings with you very unattractive. I never considered this the case before.
I'd get mad too with all the clueless idiots running their mouth ... Just look at the stupid noob that didn't know tgps had no ref traffic ...
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blah sick of seeing this thread, i did the homework on it... typical guy trying to cash in on his realm... the ring of tgp's in that site are all ore mostly all owned by the same guy, looks to me he clones em and tries to pass em off for big cash.... the traffic will most likely stop within a few days when he feels its time.. its prolly real traffic but its all from the same realm
Sure I trade with my own sites, actually the trades I had with my own sites died now because I made some fuckups on the other sites that I need to fix.
Then I trade with previous sites I build / sold because I know they are solid trades, needless to say they look a bit the same because it WORKS and I got the same fulltime designer sitting and doing designs for me.
Traffic didn't stop because the trades is basicly 0 with the trades I got control over. Stats is now, IN: 203K including noref traffic, to trades: 271K and to galleries 100K
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I got a few wierd java popups while searching, tells me some spyware shit is being attempted, and there's nothing to purchase here.

Since I seen a attempted spyware attempt, leads me to believe that all traffic might be from circle jerked home pc's hit by the spyware.. thats a guess.. but most likely true since I am like the ultimate traffic security paranoid fuck you can be
Excactly where did you get that? I have a clean set of trades and there none of my trades with spyware / virus etc that I am aware of.
And for the records, there is no adware/hitbot or feeder traffic of any kind being forced through this site.
Another note, site is no longer for sale, it will soon be possible to buy gallery spots on it and they will have better skim than now, 50-75% to galleries (so good galleries will get ~25-50K hits / day from a listing)
Sponsors with good quality content should hit me up on ICQ and I'll get galleries made promoting your sites. Got 2 designers sitting and waiting to create galleries for the right sponsor with the right sites
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Every fucking trading tgp have the same exact kind of traffic (except the 5-10 biggest ones of every niche) . Yet they still make money . You got ZERO idea what you are talking about . I'm not saying the traffic is as valuable as a 200k bookmarked website, but nobody would sell a 200k bookmark website for 8k$ . You get what you pay for . Building traffic is harder then keeping it ...
You are wasting your time.
noref traffic is feeder traffic. And it is also hitbot traffic and also adware traffic. No surfers will buy anything from a site unless they had it bookmarked for at least 5 months. That's a fact, read previous posts
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Xapster bought teeniesxxx from me and jenny (at arround 150k I beleive) . The website was about 1 month old back then . Look what it is now .
yea but were you skiming at 50% or less with it? When you sold teeniesxxx did it send only 2 out of 15 hits to galleries?
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yea but were you skiming at 50% or less with it? When you sold teeniesxxx did it send only 2 out of 15 hits to galleries?
I never said I would buy this website . I'm just saying there are 10 ignorants hating on it . I wouldn't buy a month old website ... it's really easy to start in the first place
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:42 PM   #180
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I never said I would buy this website . I'm just saying there are 10 ignorants hating on it . I wouldn't buy a month old website ... it's really easy to start in the first place
easy for you to start not for 99% of people out there.

and i think i counted more then 10 haters in this thread with no clue.


Does not matter tho site is no longer for sale.
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ok 3 k...

final offer..

Hey due, ill hit ya up later this week bud..

I havent forgot ya.
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yea but were you skiming at 50% or less with it? When you sold teeniesxxx did it send only 2 out of 15 hits to galleries?
It is not 2 out of 15 clicks that goes to galleries.
average skim is 3 clicks 1 to gallery.
During peak there is ~300 clicks per minute, each time a random number between 1 to 100 is selected, if that number is higher than the skim set it will go to trade, if it is lower it will go to a gallery. The skim number various depending on how many times you clicked before during your active session.
Do you really think you can judge the average skim based on going to the site and click 15 times?
It is RANDOM, but if you pick a random between 1 to 100 number 500 times you should get a number below 50 aprox 50% of the times, still you could risc that you get 50 times in a row a number that have a value less than 30.
Did you have math at school?
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:57 PM   #183
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A. Perhaps it's the person running the script, but either the traffic script sucks as it's looping the surfer back to the same trades time and time again. You typically see that activity on crap sites with some custom written script because the owners are too cheap to buy a real script. A real TGP will either send the surfer to a gallery or off some place else as this activity lowers the productivity of the trade site with it's trades making it a worthless site to trade with.

B. Never heard of it before and I know all the "real" scripts around.

C. The script site index comes up 404.. yeah.. it's a good script.

Are you the owner of this site? Friends with them? Or maybe your the guy that wrote this script??

By the way.. Just the fact that sexocean was even in the trade script as a trade makes it suspect.
NOW IT IS A REAL SCRIPT because I put up a page with some of the fetaures www.turbothumbs.com
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NOW IT IS A REAL SCRIPT because I put up a page with some of the fetaures www.turbothumbs.com
"Powered by TurboThumbs"
Seen that on quite a few TGPs, some very large ones.

http://www.google.com/search?q=TurboThumbs
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-Multiple mainpage support, will automaticly find best mainpage for each trade
Interesting....

Needs some screenshots included though, I might be interested.
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You can hit me up if you wish to see a demo.
I've setup a small "demo" site with a few trades and a bunch of galleries.
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thanks for bumping an old thread fris.

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It is not 2 out of 15 clicks that goes to galleries.
average skim is 3 clicks 1 to gallery.
During peak there is ~300 clicks per minute, each time a random number between 1 to 100 is selected, if that number is higher than the skim set it will go to trade, if it is lower it will go to a gallery. The skim number various depending on how many times you clicked before during your active session.
Do you really think you can judge the average skim based on going to the site and click 15 times?
It is RANDOM, but if you pick a random between 1 to 100 number 500 times you should get a number below 50 aprox 50% of the times, still you could risc that you get 50 times in a row a number that have a value less than 30.
Did you have math at school?
I never saw this reply before.. but since someone bumped it I'll answer back.. who gives a shit about math.. Do I need some forumla to see that that site is skimming way more than 50%? Shit as I posted before out of 15 clicks I got 2 galleries the rest were trades..

Ok well a a month and a half later I just tried it again.. 1st click went to a gallery.. the next 15 went to trades and the 17th went to a gallery. I guess I must need to go to math class again to get more galleries..

Sorry not bashing on your site sandman, just stating the obvious...
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I never saw this reply before.. but since someone bumped it I'll answer back.. who gives a shit about math.. Do I need some forumla to see that that site is skimming way more than 50%? Shit as I posted before out of 15 clicks I got 2 galleries the rest were trades..

Ok well a a month and a half later I just tried it again.. 1st click went to a gallery.. the next 15 went to trades and the 17th went to a gallery. I guess I must need to go to math class again to get more galleries..

Sorry not bashing on your site sandman, just stating the obvious...

LOL

you guys are sometimes idiots.

not my site

site is no longer for sale

all you 10k a day tgp newbies can go blow fris

LOL
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how much is a 150-200K actually worth?
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how much is a 150-200K actually worth?
Isn't dynamix creating them for $2k a piece?
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Man alive when do you actually get to a real page of thumbs??

man you must be a newbe too.. didn't you know, the less galleries your surfers see the more sales you make..



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LOL

you guys are sometimes idiots.

not my site

site is no longer for sale

all you 10k a day tgp newbies can go blow fris

LOL
yea who cares about gallery views and click throughs to sponsors and conversions for that matter.. it's all about how much traffic you send to your trades right..
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This was some funny ass reading Chuckle Chuckle.

I love when people call a site wit low skim a CJ if they really knew what a CJ was back in the day now those were KILLER
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Isn't dynamix creating them for $2k a piece?
yeah i think so but isn't there like a 3+ month wait?
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Illusion to surfers that's it's an older site.

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Id pay $300 max. LOL.
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