Thats exactly what I am saying too. I disagree with drugs. As a practioner of tibetan medicine you of all people should be aware of the environment and how linked we humans are to it. The earth is being poluted as are our bodies. The bodies natural response to these is to let you know that something is wrong with it. It can manifest itself in the form of a headache, highblood pressure, diabetes etc.

Also aren't the tibetan people a peaceful group who are persecuted. I don't know many tibetans that are anti semetic. stay on topic and leave your slurs out of this.

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WTF was all that about?

I hope I never post this link again, but look at http://landmarkeducation.com/ . Whatever anybody says about that course; I let my boss talk me into it and even the company paid for the first class (kind of like vacation from work, was what I thought), it helped many things in my life. I even paid for two more classes and ended up pussing out through the third curriculum, because I couldn't come to terms with being myself.

Again, I think you can find solace without drugs. But you're reading words from a kid who's mom refused to feed him Ritalin and instead took out sugar, food coloring and preservatives from his early diet and thus fucked him out of wanting to eat yummy candy like his wife loves to eat. *shrug* and a *smile*. So again, my outlook on drugs to treat many psychosomatic / psychological disorders is biased.

Read above. It is in response to DJ's anti-Semitic remarks.

That would fall into the category of clinical depression I mentioned.

It's a complicated issue to discuss because of the two distinct types. On one side you have people who are afflicted with certain brain imbalances and disorders who need treatment, while on the other side you have a few people who have a legitimate problem surrounded by millions who choose to abuse and rely on the drugs when they could very well otherwise cope just by changing their lifestyles and mindsets.

I think CET was on that diet too...the Feingold Diet? I'm not sure I'd want to try that, LOL - I have a sweet tooth from hell!

Thank you for the link; I'm looking at it now.

what if it cured you?

Still want to eat sweets?

Yes all these things matter but not as much as say working during the night, sleeping during the day and and spending most of your time infront of a monitor. Of cource these things will fuck your head up. When you live this kind of life, your body just can't function right.

LOL. Again you're comparing apples to oranges.

Tibetans are peaceful people who just mind their own business and get put down by chinese.

Jews on the other hand dominate the world and me calling them greedy =| antisemitic.

What if it did, but because I've become accustomed to the taste of sweets I became miserable? Would that not defeat the purpose?

As much as I would love to honestly say, "Hell yes, I'd do it!" I know for a fact that I wouldn't stay on it. Why should I lie to myself just to bring myself more pain?

So yes, I'd still want to eat sweets. If it cured me, hooray! I'd go celebrate with cake and ice cream. :disgust

There are some steps that I know I'm not ready to take yet, and that's one of them. Maybe I'll get there someday, but right now, I'm not yet ready for a step that big. Baby steps first, then walking, then running. :)

I'm tripolar

Well, definitely bipolar... even though I've never been officially diagnosed. I know that I am. I have all the symptoms. My original handle was actually "moody". All I know is that I go from extreme highs to lows on a daily basis and anything can trigger a certain mood. I get really happy and "high on life", euphoric even, for a very short period of time, then something usually something really insignificant will make me cry and I'll be depressed for the rest of the day.

The thing is, I don't feel my depression is just a chemical imbalance. There really are underlying causes/reasons for the way I feel and think. I just don't bounce out of it or ignore it like a lot of people would. My problem is I can't stop thinking. I remember too much and dwell on things too much. They say ignorance is bliss, so I think "normal", happy people just don't remember why their life sucks lol.

Anyway, I'm against any and all mind altering medications. Whether it's Prozac or something stronger, I refuse to take any. I don't believe in taking most medicines. They are dangerous and usually end up causing worse problems than what you have already. I would rather go through life being moody than live in a cloud world or artifically change my mind.

Whew, my head is spinning with your ignorant comments. Lets look at some basic logic here. Firstly, you think that drugs aren't needed for mental disorders, even though the drug thorazine literally cleared mental hospitals of patients, because it made these people think in reality again. It is actually quite astounding and I suggest you read up on it. There were people who were living in completely different worlds, and thorazine made them function as regular individuals that can hold steady jobs.

Whew, you seem to be twisting in the wind on a lot of the issues on this forum.

I have to say, this thread turned out to be much more interesting than I thought it would be. Thanks. :)

Drugs rarely cure any disease. However, drugs can save your life.

I don't believe in taking any drug, psychotropic or not, daily just to live. I would seek out a more holistic approach and try to determine the root cause of it. Pills can make you happy, but so can success by hard work and a stable meaningful life. Clearly the happiness in the former is not equal to the latter. Homeostasis and serenity doesn't come easy.

I would think most people have no true desire or ambition to change their life and thus succumb to the notion that things will always be how they are. Personally I am disgusted by the concept of little kids on psychotropic drugs and doctors force feeding damaging chemicals to desperate patients while collecting kickbacks. If anyone knows anything about drug abuse, you'll know that psychotropic drugs are the most harmful and addictive known to man (i.e. barbiturates such as Xanax).

I would highly suggest you watch the movie, What the Bleep Do We Know? It has many profound moments and illustrates clearly what addiction is while enlightening you to the true power you and your thoughts have. Stuart Hameroff (associate of Roger Penrose) is in it. The website is at: http://whatthebleep.com/scientists/ and the torrents are at: http://www.mininova.org/search/?sear...eep+do+we+know

If you do take psychtropic drugs, you should definitely try to find time to watch the movie. Good luck.

I must agree with this.. If youre depressed about shitty job, fat ass, bad color of your car of a girlfriend who left you dont need meds.

But if youre depressed without any reason you need. I have personality disorder (Schizotypic and paranoia) and without reason my mood changes within a second from "quit normal" to real depressed.
I had prozac what stabilized it some, now i have risperdal for my semic pshychotic (hope this is right word) symptomes.

Offcourse i can without meds, but then im a real horror for people i care about (if i care about anything when im depressed but okay).

And yes, i do go out of the house, i do my job, i do walk a lot.. but it doesnt help shit...

So no, not everyone needs meds, but some need them to make their life a little bit better..

Just my 2 cts..


Regards,

Ron

i just want everyone to be happy :)


happy happy joy joy

juicy has anxiety.. big difference
duke

I can see why he has anxiety attacks, every woman in the world wants him! :winkwink:

On another note, I find it quite funny in a 'funny' sort of way that a lot of people (and I mean a LOT) tend to drown their sorrows with alcohol, which is a depressant.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Indeed so.

100 fucked up folks.

I've been all but diagnosed it ... shrink tried prescribing me risperdal and/or abilify but didnt actually say "you're bipolar", sister was diagnosed and its genetic, have a long history of episodes, lost 3 jobs and dropped out of college due to episodes...

I've been on several types of medication for depression/anxiety and rage and they would help for a few weeks or months, but then it seemed like they would stop working. Going to a shrink helped when I was there talking about it, but there was still the rest of the week where I wasn't thtere and had to try and deal with shit on my own. Finally one day after being on one of the medications, (Zyprexa I think it was), and it making me wake up feeling dizzy and puking, I said fuck this and stopped it all. I still have ups and downs, more downs than ups, although lately its been better, but I don't have to take medication everyday. Some days I feel great, some days I can't leave my house. Some anti-depressants actually make depression worse, or so I've read. I didn't want to have to take a pill for the rest of my life, so I am trying to deal with it on my own and by hanging out with people who don't bring me down. :2 cents:

You know, I think this has to be one of the all time best threads I have ever read. No, it might not be "business" but I have a feeling a lot of people in this business have this disorder to varying degrees.

It's how I got into it :-P I walked out on my job and decided I'd just get cash on the internet

Another completely ignorant statement. Anti Depressants do not artificially change your mind. It's a chemical imbalance. They give your brain the chemicals that its lacking. It puts things back the way they are supposed to be. It's no different than taking insulin when you are diabetic or taking Iron when your blood is low.

Antidepressants alone are a NO for bipolar, they'll trigger manic episodes. Typically antidepressants are only prescribed along with a mood stabilizer like lithium, and those DO leave you in a cloud, I agree with furious_female on that and thats why I refused drugs when a shrink tried to put me on them.

I am on welbutirin, which is the anti-depressant, along with seraquil which is the stabilizer. It's worked wonders for me. Add to that some Zoloft on occasion and I'm a happy girl.

Tala and others this is a very good book to read: Soul Murder: The Effects of Childhood Abuse and Deprivation
by LEONARD SHENGOLD

Nothing wrong with taking meds but sometimes understanding and dealing with past issues help. The book is a bit clinical to wade through yet it might hit home. :)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0449...67#reader-link

Excuse me but, where did I say anything about anti-depressants? I'm talking about narcotics and other drugs that leave you in a funk. Whether something "restores" what should be there or not, it's still altering your mind artificially and I am against interfering with the brain in any way.

Anti-depressants and other drugs don't stop their affect at the brain. They can have negative effects on your organs, especially if taken in a dangerous combination.

Like I said before, a lot of us have underlying reasons for our depression and/or mood swings. Anti-depressants or any other drug to "cure" this, is merely putting a band aid on a gaping wound, because it's not addressing the underlying cause(s). It's rare that people are depressed for no reason at all. There's something (no matter how minor it might be) bringing them down and there's more options than medications to deal with this.

Thank you, and I agree, I think there are a great many who don't even realize they have a problem.

But hey, a little madness helps.
:upsidedow

I was diagnosed with Bipolar Depression in the fall when I had a nervous breakdown waiting for my son to be born. I was a nervous wreck and was starting to get violent with people. Turns out my moods had stability issues. I was prescribed trileptol, an anti seizure drug, to stabilize the mood. It worked great because angry mood swings are considered mini seizures.

When I started taking them I felt not right at all. Thoughts of death, not of suicide, but just worry that I might kill myself. I was literally terrified. Scared I'd snap and kill myself in a violent car crash or lose control and drop myself on a knife. I had to stop driving for 6 months and hide knives under other dishes so it was out of mind so I could enjoy my meal in peace. I just got back behind the wheel a month or so ago and I feel fine now. I didn't want to die but the thoughts and actions were always in my head. I guess it's quite normal with bipolar and even with normal depression. It's only when you want to die that it becomes dangerous.

To combat those thoughts so I can lead a normal day without worry I was prescribed Risperidone, better known as risperidol. THAT really fucked with me hardcore. I couldn't stay up past midnight even if I tried. Everything was confusing and overwhelming for me. I would even wake up and be UNABLE to talk. I would try to and feel totally like I could not communicate, like there was a third person there cutting me off but there was only two of us. This happened a few times and made me feel really awful.

As time went on, the two drugs mellowed out in my system. It came to a point where I didn't even notice them anymore. I eventually cut myself off of the two because they cause liver damage and weight gain but I think I'm fine now.

The long term psychological effects of these types of drugs is something not to be desired. I still get odd feelings of being overwhelmed but I have learned how to deal with them without having to go see a doc for meds. I just take the rest of the day off work and I'm fine. It's stress triggered it seems.

Anger management classes have also helped control the mood swings and violent behaviour. I have reprogrammed myself. Although, I still have days where I feel like I'm going to freak out and launch my GF out a window but that's just because she likes to nit pick and be sarcastic with everything I say. I got her reading my anger management course material and she's learning how to communicate better so we don't argue as much.
All in all, I recommend you try ways to deal with bi-polar that doesn't involve medication. It can really make you feel worse off than you were to begin with for a couple months. Take an anger management course even if you don't have anger problems from bipolar. It teaches you how to deal with everyday things and let things roll off your shoulder much easier thus your mood swings are less severe. I highly recommend it. Also, there seems to be a connection between being a night owl and the severity of bipolar swings. Lack of daylight seems to make your whole world more gloomy and your mind more prone to go into mood swings. Set a schedule and STICK to it. Work from 7am til 4pm and walk away from the office after that and enjoy life. Head to bed around 11 every night. I got myself back into my damn night owl mode and I can feel the effects of it already. I'm impossible to please and to deal with. So I postponed a client's work until Monday so I could get to bed around 5am, wake at 1pm then go to bed at 2am Sunday night. By Monday I'll be back to normal and feeling human again.

I'm starting to think that zoloft is the cause of most mood disorders. Everyone I know who was on it before are now suffering either anger or bipolar disorders. I was on the stuff for many years and I honnestly think it fucked my head a bit.

Not seeking help is dangerous...to you, and to those in your life.

I have known many manic depressive aka bi-polar people, and they are in hell. The highs are so high that they ruin their lives with inappropriate acts. One friend took his credit cards and used all of them to the max and ruined his credit. He took items from friends and gave them away. He thought he was invincible. He remembered what he had done, but had absolutely no control over his actions.

Then he would sink into despair, feeling suicidal and depressed for days and weeks. When he was feeling depressed, he felt the need for help. When he was in a manic mood, he refused to take his medication. He never found medication that worked for him. Lithium left him with permanent numbness in his feet

You must seek help as soon as you realize you have moods which last too long, both high and low. If you are lucky, someone close to you will help you.

Those who have never experienced these extreme mood changes and those who have never known bi-polar people should not be speaking in this thread. Don't you think sick people deserve to be treated? I have never known a bi-polar person who didn't want to cure himself without medication.

You are a strong individual if you try and try to find the right medication for yourself and stick to a program.

Those who sit back and do nothing will remain in their own private hell. By the way, how is Amp doing?

Realizing one has a problem and getting help is NOT weakness. Real weakness is trying to deny the problem. :2 cents:

the only problem with psychiatric(spelling) disorders is that they are hard to diagnose and that unfortunately often leads to misdiagnoses in many cases. For instance ADD. Soooo many kids are given ridallin(spelling again,lol) each year that dont have a problem simply because teachers cant handle their natural exuberance(spelling once more)
Lens have you ever thought of adding a spell check on here?

St. John's Wort, 5htp, that horrible smelling herb... um... i can't remember.

5htp is amazing. It's the secondary metabolic precursor to serotonin. Serotonin = happy juice. It's like the stuff in turkey that makes you sleepy. Increased serotonin levels can help with everything from better sleep, losing weight, quitting smoking, general mood elevation, etc. Too much serotonin isn't good so consult your doctor about mixing it with prescriptions or even other over the counter stuff.

Been diagnosed as bipolar 12 years ago. Started Lithium again 6 weeks ago. Main reason is that living with a bipolar disorder is making me and the people around me very tired. For the people who think you can cure bipolar with going to a gym and take therapy pls read more about this disorder. It has been proved to be a chemical problem in the brain. The use of Lithium makes sure I don't make a financial mess of my life in manic periods. Furthermore I don't have to suffer periods of depression almost all of the time. It's not bad to feel depressed from time to time but believe me, being depressed almost everyday is no fun.

All in all I find it astounding, for every waking moment of my life there's a new pill being pushed to suppress/stimulate/enlargen/tone/every aspect of my body and every part of my life. and I have to aggree with DarkJedi... let's turn the dials back a few years... I don't see anyone hearding sheep, stacking hay, or running cattle complaining that Doc. John couldn't supply their Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors for the day, so they can't get on with their life, which feeds their survival. Somehow, after you remove the silk-lining, this day-to-day habbit of "staying normal" dies off, and the "truth" sets in... once all your friends and drugs are gone... what the fuck are you going to do?

I guess my woes are just slightly more colorful than most... liquor lined with lsd always puts a smile on me ;)