A human brain is pretty much hardwired near the age of 12 (or before?); meaning the synaptic connections that will be made are made - so says some programming teacher I had. Everything thought, conclusion, etc. after that age must be learned and will not be hardwired into your consciousness.

From having a mother, she a middle child in her family, who's been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, I think most "psychosomatic" illnesses are self created and the psychology and pharmaceutical professions only proliferate from it. I'm 100% confident my mother creates the "pain" in her life - not enough attention, feelings of alienation / worthlessness albeit the amount of time she spends helping family, etc. - are brought on by her and her alone.

In my opinion, unless you're a serious case who's taking knives to people one day and hugging them the next, I'd say your condition is created by yourself. From what I read, you post quality and mostly up-beat thoughts, indicative by no serious mental instability like some others who post here. I'm no shrink, I make no declarations that what I say are legitimate in any medical / psychological sense. I just think if you, in all reality, went to the local gardener and smelled the roses now and again while trying to seriously address things in your life causing you problems, it may help. Drug free.

DJ, take your pills bro :)

Every depression has a cause, right ?
Drugs can't fix it. They only make you feel better about it (for a time)

You have to deal with the cause of depression yourself. Otherwise, it will stay no matter how much drugs u take.

people who are depressed and have everything in the world goi9ng for them should be picked up from what is probably a very nice existance and dropped straight into the middle of iraq or fucking aceh and see how depressed ya get - so many people in this world live in EXTREME POVERTY - by that i mean they do not eat everyday - when they eat they eat leaves or dirt

and we got rich computer kids with depression

MAKES ME SICK - turn off fox - get out of jerry springer land and go see a bit of the world - be the best cure for ya depression ever

Sherrie rogers talks about how in some cases the actual drug could and in most cases worsens the conditions as your body now needs to detoxify a new substance that you are introducing to it.

Though I do see your point with dependance, I think you need to read up on bi-polar disorder and find out for yourself what the disorder is.

Drugs like Fluexitine DO help. Of course they don't HEAL...very few drugs heal. And yes, for some people, it comes to the point where you can live without the drugs, but a lot of people will be taking the drugs for the rest of their lives - that's just how it is. It's not laziness, and it's not caused by an unhealthy lifestyle (though to a minute extent, a good sleeping schedule and excersise etc. will help replenish chemicals and help keep you balanced)

Fluexitine and the like operate COMPLETELY different than alcohol and other temporary-high drugs. They cannot be compared at all.

I hate to say it, but it seems like you are talking out of your ass on this subject. :)

DJ, I hate to break it to you, but most mental disorders are the result of a chemical imbalance. There are many disorders in the body like this, diabetes, hemophilia, etc. Some people have hormone imbalances and take supplements. Just because it's your brain, doesn't mean it's "in your head".

Sorry, but you're just showing how really ignorant you are, and being a prick at the same time.

Bingo!

Almost 100% of the time the cause is environmental. A nutrient or mineral deficency. Alergic reaction or chemical sensitivity to any of the thousands of chemicals in the air, water and food we eat

Tala, whats your cause for depression ?

right on man


drugs are not the fuckin answer


the statistics on people taking drugs in countries liek usa,uk,canada & aust are frightening - noone can cope with ANYTHING anymore - there is a pill for every little ailment you can think of - it really is pathetic

https://secure.dreamscape.com/presti..._web_store.cgi

read this shit :2 cents:

But you see, before I was on the meds, I WAS violent one minute and serene the next. those who know me well can attest to that.

The psychosomatic issues are usually brought on by the strange wirings in one's head. The need for more attention, the fear, the anger...all of that comes from one's brain, intentionally or not. And surely, those who aren't intentionally doing it need help, just as much as those who are intentionally doing it. If someone is intentionally coming off as a poor pity me, attention-whore, always sick, etc. person, wouldn't YOU think he or she was in need of some mental help?

She sure does have the array of self-help books. Thanks for the link.

don't make me fucking laugh :1orglaugh

this is tolal BS

I've been involved with a few women who were true Bipolar (hey, when they are in the right part of their cycle, they are sex machines). The single biggest problem I can attest to is that it's very hard to get someone who is in an "up cycle" to go on the correct meds, because who wants to take meds which will dull all the "up" stuff? Then, they crash, and it's touch to get them to take the proper meds because they are so "down". Bipolar disorder needs to be dealt with usings proper meds (one woman I saw tried to claim she was using one of the diet aids - ephedra based - to control it. I couldn't find one doctor who agreed with this course).

Are you talking about the physical cause, (which I've explained already), or an external trigger?

yep, and the greedy jew doctors are very happy to leach hundreds of dollars every months from these people

It will amaze you the stuff that is written in these books. There is a wealth of information in there. Anyone can take advantage of these protocals. It all boils down to trying to make the body clean and pure. It is no coincidence that we have the highest rates of cancer and are in the most industrialized era of the world. Trust me big companies are killing us and making tons of money doing it. I am not trying to go all green peace and hippie on you but the food we eat and water we drink is killing us along with thousands of other problems

I don't know. What are you depressed about ?

I suppose we are arguing two different sides of the issue here. You are focused on the idiots who run to the pharmacy every time a dish breaks, whereas I am talking about those who legitimately need treatment. We are both right.

I agree that there are too many people who reach for the happy candy ever time they feel sad. If only it were that simple for everyone, but it isn't. Exercising more doesn't cure an overabundance of seratonin, for example. I don't know why you think it would. You should not be attacking people who are trying their best to deal with clinical depression dude.

As to situational depression like I had, that is the one where there is the most if not ALL of the abuse and laziness you're describing, and that's where you and I agree. I can only speak for myself and from what I've seen in other cases I know of. For me it worked, my doctors all thought I legitimately needed it for a time, and I've long-since moved on with life.

read the books along with the thousands of medical studies quoted, and by the way these are not studies paid for by pharma companies either.

They are quasi professional and lay persons literature. Meant to educate the doctors and the patients.

yes, thats what i'm talking about.
everyone seems on some kind of antidepressant drug these days.

if you have a serious mental problems, of course drugs can help.
but if are depressed because you have a shitty job or a fat ass, you don't need drugs.

It sounds like you're talking about triggers. Okay.

ANYTHING can be a trigger. I can cry over the fact that my cat just meowed. I'm serious.

I have a lot of stressors going on right now, but honestly, I don't find myself depressed as deeply as I used to get. I can see the bright instead of the dark now.

It's very difficult to say what triggers my mood swings. Sometimes it's even the lack of a trigger that becomes a trigger. There is no one thing, Dark Jedi.

indeed

dr's are just legalized drug dealers

I dont need to read books to know that mental disorders DO NOT come from a "nutrient or mineral deficency" or "alergic reaction or chemical sensitivity to any of the thousands of chemicals in the air, water and food"

wow i had t difficult to read! shorten it up a bit :)

I've read other's peoples' posts who validate that drugs can actually help. And I'm not saying they can't. Hell, antibiotics were a godsend to humans. However, now they're overly abused and in many cases make the immune system weaker to newer strains of infection.

In your case, I'd stay on the meds if you think it makes you feel better, if that's what YOU feel is right. However, you started a thread asking the question how to cope; meaning you're not sure if your current path of therapy is the right way.

And judging from what you just wrote (if I'm wrong, forgive me), your mental state predates pubescence and is caused by early life trauma (in one way or another; upbringing / environment, etc.). In either case, all it may take is coming to terms with something horrible. Admitting it happened / apologizing to someone who caused you harm, voicing out loud things that wholly bind your soul into tension may help.

Again, I know not your situation or where you've been or are at. It's just my $.02.

In the words of Sherrie Rogers M.D.

"As you will see, there is a BIOCHEMICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL TRIGGER OR CAUSE FOR MOST ALL problems of mal-health."

So you are a doctor then :winkwink:

the lack of a trigger is a trigger?????


just like i said - people who have nothing serious to worry about

looks like you have your own inner problems to deal with

I agree.

However, bipolar disorder is far from a typical average depression.

Thats fucked up indeed.

Though I personally feel that you're just overreacting, getting too fixated on it and just pitying yourself. Posting on gfy - you sound very rational and mentally stable. I don't believe a trully sick person can act this way. Therefore, i think you're not sick (just need to accept reality for what it is)

nicely said :thumbsup

I don't doubt that it predates pubescence at all, considering my parentage. *Let's NOT get into that* Suffice it to say, my childhood had a great many ups and downs, and I wish my mother had never been a part of it.

But that's behind me now. I have talked about it and worked through some things, made my peace with some and am working on making peace with myself. I miss my grandmother very much - for all intents and purposes, she was my mom. Thank goodness for her.

Longer story short, I'll be dealing with that for the rest of my life, I'm sure. There are some things that time doesn't heal.

:1orglaugh

Oh believe me, I have plenty of serious things to worry about. But occasionally, the lack of a trigger is a trigger, though now I am starting to recognize it and prevent it. Hooray for therapy!

I have some basic training in Tibetan medicine.
I can tell you that mental problems come from inner energy imballances. And can be treated without drugs.

:-)
:)

Does not everyone have his own version of reality?

I may well be overreacting and pitying myself. But honestly, I don't feel as though I'm doing either one. I feel like this is just the way I live - my version of reality.

I'm still learning what it means to accept things as they are, or to change things that I don't want. I'm not as sick as some, thankfully, but I am sick enough to need help. So I'm getting it. I may never fully heal, but I am getting better. :)