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Spunky 04-01-2005 07:36 AM

That sucks man..I had a incident also ..they ripped apart my car ,removing seats etc and just left it like that due to a tiny roach found on the floor

pornstar2pac 04-01-2005 07:37 AM

that sucks man

tungsten 04-01-2005 07:38 AM

that sucks, sorry to hear

ezrydn 04-01-2005 07:54 AM

Andy,

To those of you who are familiar with Customs Entry into Phoenix Airport: I am a US citizen who travels on a US passport. However, I live in Mexico. I was enroute to my Vietnam reunion in TX when I was stopped by Customs in Phoenix.

Problems! It seems (I found out a year later from a nicer Customs agent) that there was a person from Colorado that had my same name that they were looking for. GREAT! It's not me.

That's what the little Customs man said when he looked at my passport. I showed him my Mexican FM3 papers and he still said it didn't look like me. This went on and on. He looked at the US passport again and reinterated, "It doesn't look like you." I said, "Maybe it's because it's 9.5 years old and will be renewed when I return home." Nope, he still didn't think it looked like me.

At that point, he was facing a retired US combat vet with 100% PTSD! And, gawd, I had a full head of steam at that point. I lifted my tee shirt and screamed, in front of about 3000 waiting, "Do you think a 6-way bypass could alter a person's appearance... JUST A LITTLE????," and pointed to my scar.

I think that got to him and he realized he had an angry American on his hands. He finally let me pass.

The follow YEAR (Yes, year), I hit Customs again. However, this time, I had a great agent to work with. He explained what had been happening to me, per the computer info and it all made sense. He also told me that they have exact records as to who is on duty, when and where. He said for me to file a complaint with the Customs service and give the exact time/date/flights that were involved. They'd know who I had interacted with and take measures with that person. I found out 6 months later, on another trip through the same airport, that the agent was no longer with the agency.

The report shit works!

I, too, am now looking for that fucker from Colorado that is using my name!

Cassie 04-01-2005 07:56 AM

in the states, a charge like that at such a young age is expunged from your record upon hitting 18. not sure what canadian laws are. either way, that was a completely ridiculous reason not to let you in.

keep good people out and let bad people in....no wonder the us is constantly on the defensive.

quantum-x 04-01-2005 08:07 AM

Customs agents suck dick.

I'm Australian, part of the Commonwealth - yet when I went to the UK, I was held up for about 45minutes by some shit-for-brains customs agent.

Bear in mind, I've just stepped off the plane, carrying only my hand luggage.

Customs agent: Can I have your passport
Me: Sure.
Customs agent: Purpose of visit?
Me: Seeing some old friends, having a few meetings and just looking around.
Him: What meetings?
Me: Just seeing some work colleagues.
Him: What are their names, who do they work for?
Me: Uhh...
Him: You're required to tell me this information. Do you have proof of your meetings? I need to see their business cards, contact details, and a letter of confirmation of your meetings.
Me: I've just stepped off a 30 hour flight, I don't have this information on me.
Him: Well, that's just another problem you have then, isn't it.
Me: Uhhh..
Him: These friends you're staying with. Where do they live.
Me: I'm not sure, I've never stayed with them in the UK before. I'm meeting them in arrivals.
Him: They're your friends and you don't know where they live? Sounds like a pretty weak excuse to me.
Him: How much money do you have in your wallet?
Me: What does that have to do with anything?
Him: I need to know how much you have.
Me: About 60 Pounds.
Him: And you're staying for 2 weeks, right?
Me: Right.
Him: That's not much money for 2 weeks. How were you planning to stay?
Me: I have my VISA.
Him: A VISA isn't cash - that's not sufficent proof that you have enough funds to sustain yourself. How much is on your card?
Me: That's none of your business
Him: Yes, it is.
Me: Let me ask you something. How much money do you have in your pocket?
Him: I don't have to answer that.
Me: Humour me.
Him: 20 Pounds
Me: And you live here permanently? Damn, how do you sustain yourself on 20 pounds?
Him: Stop being smart:
Me: Seriously man, what's you're case? I'm Australian. I've just gone through immigration in 5 countries including the middle east before here, and they couldn't care less about how much money I had in my damn wallet.
Him: ...
Me: So can I come through?
Him: *Calls colleague over, chats, walks off, comes back with a big red stamp.
Him: I'm letting you in, under a Code 3 Stamp.
Me: And that means?
Him: We will be monitoring you throughout the duration of your stay. If you do not leave within your two weeks, we will track you down.
Me: You've stamped my passport for 6 months
Him: Two weeks!
Me: Ok, remind me next time when I come through to say I'm going to go see the palace and feed the pigeons, ok?
Him: *Smirks - Oh no! Don't do that, we're happy to have you here.

Now, not to be paranoid, but every time I made a phone call in the UK, the unlock icon on my phone kept appearing - indicating that GSM encryption had been turned off for that call. It continued for a week after I left the UK, then went back to normal.

I swear customs guys are complete arseholes - I feel for you man.

HpicAnn 04-01-2005 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New User
He can see a lawyer all he wants, nothing will be done, unless you want to assume that the U.S. handles charges like this much better than Canadian officials do.

I had a very similar experience happen to me about a year ago while returning home (to Canada) from a trip to New York. I am a U.S. citizen who is married to a Canadian woman and was in the middle of the process of applying for permanent residence status, which as a common courtesy the Canadian government allows you to live in Canada with your spouse if you are married when you apply. It also means you have paid more than $3,000 to live in Canada by this time not including future immigration fees.

I have no criminal record of any sort, not even a speeding ticket. In fact I am currently a Doctorate student, twice graduated with honors (undergrad and Masters) and yes I have been making my way through school by running porn sites, but they don't know that, I HOPE!

Anyway, woman who works for Immigration Canada with a real chip on her shoulder decides I am living in Canada illegally and then gets the "boys" in customs to trash my brand new car just sure they would find all sorts of illegal drugs.

They found a box of Duncan Donuts and threatened to arrest my wife because she did not claim the purchase to pay tax on it.

They, then shredded my drivers license and immigration documents and told me if I drove my car I would be driving without a license and they would arrest me and if I ever tried to enter Canada again I would be immediately arrested for illegal entry.

Stuck 2,000 miles from my closest relative and no photo identification (the U.S. customs officials almost did not let me back across until I found my birth certificate) at which time I was informed that "those shit-heads over there" do this stuff all the time to honest people.

So my wife had to drive me all the way back south and it took two months to get sorted out and to receive official documentation that I could re-enter. I had to live away from home, my wife, with my mom and had none of my material items, or even clothes until I bought some new ones for two months, and of course I had to pay more immigration fees to get everything in order. Even then I was not given 100% clearance, I was just told I could attempt to recross and see what happens.

I was screened for two hours and interrogated at the Windsor crossing trying to get back into Canada even though they had all my information right their in their computers, finally they decided to let me in once I pounded in the point about how much money I paid to live here.

The first day I got back we went to see an attorney and the MP and both were very sympathetic, the MP said he would make some calls and see what he could do.

I was told the next day by the MP's secretary that if we proceeded with any legal action, even though they admitted what happened was a violation of my rights and the law, that I would be kicked out of Canada forever and my immigration status would cease to exist. That info apparently came from Ottawa.

Sorry you didn't get to Phoenix. :winkwink:


P.S. My application for Permanent Residence did go through and I now have a little card that says I can live here as long as I like. :thumbsup

WOW this is incredible!!!

SinSational 04-01-2005 08:32 AM

that sucks. i feel your pain

VMAN 04-01-2005 08:34 AM

America wants to keep all the criminals out! Good Job Customs, and Happy April Fools Day.

Shags 04-01-2005 08:46 AM

Where you from? In my country a minor offence like that is only shown on your paper in 5 years.

Greg Jacobson 04-01-2005 08:48 AM

50 dangerous 15 year old Canadian drug offenders

directfiesta 04-01-2005 09:14 AM

So half of Canada's population is banned from entering the States .... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Platinum Red 04-01-2005 09:20 AM

wow sorry to hear about all of the problems you guys have had

My ex had the same thing happen to him on a charge for possetion he was like 15 or so, and he had A joint on him and a small one at that. he was honest told customs about the charge and he was not allowed in the states I think he lost his job over it can't remember

I say write the letter and ask for expences back or seek legal action

CoreAdult-Dee 04-01-2005 09:24 AM

You do have an option so you never have this happen again. Canada does offer full pardons, I believe it is 7 years after the charge. You can apply for it. If your record shows that you have not had any problems since they will give you the pardon without any problem.

Once you have the pardon customs, law enforcement, employers etc. can no longer treat it like a conviction since you have received a full pardon.
http://www.pardonservicescanada.com/

GTS Mark 04-01-2005 09:35 AM

Hi New User, I hate to say it man but you're in the same boat I am in now. You will be harrassed by the US customs until the day you die about the entry denial that just happened yesterday.

I was denied back in 2001 for not having a return ticket for my trip to see my father who lives in the states. Everytime I travel to the states they always want to ask me about the denial which happened 4 years ago.

I always get in to the states but I have to show up super early to deal with any customs hassles that might occur.

DH

Peter Romero 04-01-2005 09:48 AM

Same thing happened to me when I went to Canada to retrieve my ex wife who US Customs wouldn't let back into the US after visiting her Mom after we got married & before her permanent resident appointment @ Imigration. I had to jump through all types of hoops & show them love letters between us, phone bills, marriage certificates, wedding photos, and prove that we were really an American couple. It sucked balls but we got it all straightened out in about 3 months. After all that... we got a divorce 2 years later. Now I only cross the border to go skiing or sun worshiping on a beach.

Peter Romero 04-01-2005 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoreAdult-Dee
You do have an option so you never have this happen again. Canada does offer full pardons, I believe it is 7 years after the charge. You can apply for it. If your record shows that you have not had any problems since they will give you the pardon without any problem.

Once you have the pardon customs, law enforcement, employers etc. can no longer treat it like a conviction since you have received a full pardon.
http://www.pardonservicescanada.com/

He's right... I forgot about that. My pot charge is now almost 20 years old but I better get it erased. Thanks for the link.

CybermedAndy 04-01-2005 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jensen
hmm could he deny you even though his supervisor would allow you? That sounds strange to me..

Hi supervisor confided in me that he, seeing how trivial the matter was, was leaning towards giving me some sort of conditional pass through, but the other officers insisted that they stick to protocol or whatever.

CybermedAndy 04-01-2005 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoreAdult-Dee
You do have an option so you never have this happen again. Canada does offer full pardons, I believe it is 7 years after the charge. You can apply for it. If your record shows that you have not had any problems since they will give you the pardon without any problem.

Once you have the pardon customs, law enforcement, employers etc. can no longer treat it like a conviction since you have received a full pardon.
http://www.pardonservicescanada.com/

Thanks for the link.

I was told years ago that the record would be expunged automatically, so I never took any steps to have it done. Again my mistake.

Ecksent 04-01-2005 11:54 AM

Good Lord! When will you people learn to ask for the Port Director when you are being treated unfairly???!!!! US Customs just came out with a huge long list of "Rights" you have when crossing the border. I cross everyday and I raise a HUGE stink when people start asking me questions that have absolutlety no relevance about me or my bussiness in the States. Just ask for the supervisor....then his supervisor....and so on until you get to the Port Director.

BradShaw 04-01-2005 12:01 PM

Stay away from drugs, one small conviction can cost you problems forever. Just say no.

CybermedAndy 04-01-2005 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradShaw
Stay away from drugs, one small conviction can cost you problems forever. Just say no.

Thanks for the advice. You're 15 years too late though.

killshot 04-01-2005 01:33 PM

Coming back from a visit to Vancouver was a bad experience for me too

As me and one of my models walked past the drug dog, the fucker lifted its head and sniffed my ass...

They immediately take us into a back room and tear apart our bags, x-ray stuff, and threaten us with strip searches.

They demand to know where the drugs are and tell us how much trouble we are in.
I told them they are not going to find any drugs

customs agent: THE DOG DOES NOT LIE
me: I wore these pants in a smokey club last night.. maybe thats what the dog smelled
Customs agent: OH YEAH!? what else was in this club? COCAINE!? ECSTACY!?
Me: I dunno.. it was a shitty club, i had two crappy canadian beers and left
Customs agent: *snapping rubber glove* This is your last chance boy.
Me: If you wanna shove your hand up my ass, you go right ahead, You won't find anything up there except shit.

After that he decided i was serious and had no drugs and let us go...

ugh.. I hate US Customs

New User 04-01-2005 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrinkingHard
Hi New User, I hate to say it man but you're in the same boat I am in now. You will be harrassed by the US customs until the day you die about the entry denial that just happened yesterday.

I was denied back in 2001 for not having a return ticket for my trip to see my father who lives in the states. Everytime I travel to the states they always want to ask me about the denial which happened 4 years ago.

I always get in to the states but I have to show up super early to deal with any customs hassles that might occur.

DH

Ok a couple of things:

1. I am talking about CANADIAN CUSTOMS, U.S. has actually never been anything but really cool to me and my wife.

2. This happened almost a year ago, not yesterday.

3. Ya I have the denial on record, but it is also accompanied with a U.S. Congressman, Canadian MP and other Immigration officers who all ammended the record to show that they were strongly against the mistreatment we had received and that we pose no threat and should always be let in no problems. Now I get hurried across like I have the plague because they are worried about their jobs if I get any trouble.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS Go to get help from political officials. :thumbsup

sickkittens 04-01-2005 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shags
Where you from? In my country a minor offence like that is only shown on your paper in 5 years.

That's what I was thinking. 15 years later and it's still there? (And he was a minor when it happened)
:Oh crap

tranza 04-01-2005 02:18 PM

That's fucked up...

CybermedAndy 04-01-2005 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sickkittens
That's what I was thinking. 15 years later and it's still there? (And he was a minor when it happened)
:Oh crap

In retrospect they wouldn't have seen anything if I hadn't said anything.

Frankly, they might not even have found anything- they could have denied me solely on what I told them. *pounding head against wall*

They refused to tell me what exactly they had found.

Huggles 04-01-2005 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelDollarsAndy
I've just returned home from a trip to Vancouver having been denied entry into the USA by a dickless douchebag customs agent with a massive little man complex.

I left early this morning with one of our models to catch the ferry to Vancouver. I could not be more excited about heading down there, especially since Vegas was such a great time in January. We arrive well on time to the airport and are pulled aside by US customs for questioning.

No big deal, happens all the time, I travel to the USA 4-5 times a year. I'm assigned a scrawny 130 pound snickering, condescending agent who proceeds to ask me about past criminal history. I answer the same way I always do, Yes, I have a drug conviction- posession of pot.

That I got when I was 15 years old..

Yes, 15 years ago. And a clean record since, haven't even had so much as a drop of alcohol in 12 years now, much less drugs.

Well our US customs agent has decided now that he would like to flex what little power he has- to the absolute maximum level possible. He begins with small remarks to try and get a rise out of me, insinuating that I am lying to him. I smile and respond politely and honestly to every question. I'm so excited about the Phoenix Forum that it doesn't even occur to me that I'm not going to be allowed into the country.

I ask him politely if there's any chance of us still making the flight, to which answer nothing more than a slight shrug.

He asks me how much I was busted with 15 years ago, I say I honestly don't remember. To which he smirks, rolls his eyes and leans back and looks over to the other agents shaking his head.

I'm in disbelief at this stage at what a complete asshat this guy is. I cannot for the life of me figure out why he's acting like such an unprofessional jerk.

He then asks me with much incredulation "How can you not remember how much you had?!" To which I reply "Because it was 15 years ago" with my voice rising all of 3 decibals.

He then gives me the wide-eyes and warns me for a full minute that if I so much as raise my voice to him again he will have me thrown out of the airport. "Would you like that? You want me to have you thrown outta here?" he says to me. It suddenly dawns on me: I'm being verbally bullied by a man-child.

I'm instructed to wait outside, where another customs official (different department) kindly offers myself and my friend a drink, and, seeing my total frustration, confides in me that the guy I'm dealing with has a history of complaints against him. He strongly encourages me to lodge a complaint, insinuating that the guy I'm dealing with has few strikes against him left.

Meanwhile our flight has long since left. The airline has come into customs to instruct us that there won't be another flight until tomorrow.

The guy finally calls me back to his counter to happily tell me that they have found sufficient grounds to deny me entry into the USA. I calmly ask why, and he informs me that the found the drug charge to be sufficient enough reason to deny me.

The pot charge I incurred 15 years ago as a young teen.

I speak to his supervisor who tells me that he actually had suggested I be allowed through as the matter was so trivial, but the little man syndrome victim insisted I not be allowed.

I let little man syndrome victim know I'll be lodging a complaint against him for the way he handled it. He responds with the expected smarmy reply "Great! I hope you do!".

I tell the other (kind and helpful) agent that I will be writing a letter letting his bosses know how helpful and considerate he was through the ordeal.

For all of you in Phoenix who I was so looking forward to meeting and networking with, hopefully sometime soon, August Internext provided I can get this cleared up by then.

Have fun in Phoenix this weekend everyone, wish I could be there with you.

<End Rant>




Dude, I am with you 100%.



Last year when I came home from the Phoenix Forum, I had video of the lightspeed girls jumping nude on the trampoline. IN THE FOOTAGE you can see some of the Phoenix police were there watching.


The Customs Agent who reviewed this tape asked me "What kind of sick person gets off on this shit?" and that I should be ashamed as the girls looked 16 and he could keep my camera and could do this and do that and do this.... but he was being "nice" and let me go.



WHAT THE FUCK?



Customs agents, almost every one of them, are serious fags.

Huggles 04-01-2005 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradShaw
Stay away from drugs, one small conviction can cost you problems forever. Just say no.



Drugs rule!


Nothing wrong with a little bit of weed mixed with some hard liquor.

Alex 04-01-2005 04:23 PM

Whats the law with America on that. I know that it still stays on your juvinile record and it can be found illeagally. I mean they dont just burn your record after you are 18, but i know that its pardoned and cant be used agaisnt you right?


And Andy. That sucks ass. Im suprised you kept as calm as you did, I couldnt have.. Im short tempered, would have been swinging.

goldman 04-01-2005 07:22 PM

the problem is most custom agents (at least in NZ) are high school drop outs who think they are the shit..
i am a NZ citizen i know more about the immigaration act, hazardous substance act than most retarded custom agents...
being a good citizen i make sure everytime i return i do not carry any substance which is forbidden (NZ is very strict on this issue) by law.
yut it seems that everytime i travel through the airport i am the only person to be stopped ad embarressed in front of all the passengers. i am there are hundreds of people who dont know crap about nz yut they only stop me every single time..
why? beacause i am indian so i am bound to be carrying something illegal..
the good thing is i can tell them they are f**kin wa*nkers and their is nothing they can do about it because i am as clean as they come..
so if u ever come to NZ and see a guy telling a whole bunch of custom agents to go fuck themself its probably me...

pornstar2pac 04-01-2005 07:25 PM

how's the weed up there in canada?

BlackCrayon 04-01-2005 07:38 PM

you should sue them for money lost if you have the money to sue. soon that guy will be busted down to security guard at the mall, if there is any justice. on a sidenote my sisters piece of shit exboyfriend was allowed through customs to japan when he has a record for making bombs in past. do they purposely pick the wrong ppl to question? it sure seems like it!

Fred Quimby 04-01-2005 07:38 PM

So How much pot did you have?

pornguy 04-01-2005 07:49 PM

Do your elf a favor. Next time, get on a flight to Mexico. Then cross the border in Tijuana. It is really easy. Fly from Sandiego to anywhere you want to go.

CybermedAndy 04-01-2005 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornstar2pac
how's the weed up there in canada?

BC weed is world-ranked. Wouldn't know first-hand cause I quit when I was 17(before moving to BC). But from what I hear its some of the best and most popular globally.

CybermedAndy 04-01-2005 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon
you should sue them for money lost if you have the money to sue. soon that guy will be busted down to security guard at the mall, if there is any justice. on a sidenote my sisters piece of shit exboyfriend was allowed through customs to japan when he has a record for making bombs in past. do they purposely pick the wrong ppl to question? it sure seems like it!

Even if I thought I had a shot at successfully suing, I probably wouldn't bother. Would rather just put it behind me and start planning for Internext in August.

rambler 04-01-2005 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoreAdult-Dee
You do have an option so you never have this happen again. Canada does offer full pardons, I believe it is 7 years after the charge. You can apply for it. If your record shows that you have not had any problems since they will give you the pardon without any problem.

Once you have the pardon customs, law enforcement, employers etc. can no longer treat it like a conviction since you have received a full pardon.
http://www.pardonservicescanada.com/

That pardon would be useless now that US customs knows about the offence.
BTW I think his record is auto-purged when he turned 18.

Laurie 04-01-2005 08:08 PM

wow, that sucks. I hope you get it worked out before Internext.

Halcyon 04-01-2005 08:23 PM

BUMMER!!
I was looking forward to seeing you again, Andy.
Hopefully at the San Diego show or FL Internext.


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