FreeSites vs. TGP Galleries - GoFuckYourself.com

http · 03-27-2005, 04:37 PM

The Linklist traffic is supposed to be better but how much better is it? Linklists are now trading traffic with tgp's.

I'd say with tgp galleries a realistic "gallery views/sales" ratio is 1 sale per 30-60k gallery views

What is the average Freesite views/sales ratio nowadays? 1 sale per 10-20k visits? Is that too optimistic?

If Linklists convert, say 3 times (?) better, can they send 1/3 of the traffic that you can get to a daily tgp gallery - at least within a few weeks?

eXperienZ · 03-27-2005, 05:02 PM

Well, you have to see at the expenses too... If a freesite got 3 galleries, and
the surfer needs to look at all the galleries before deciding if he wants to join
or not, then you have used 3-4 times the bandwith you would use if you only
submitted one gallery to a tgp.. For me tgp/freesites convert just about the same..
After created 2-3 galleries, I make one freesite out of them.. Then I can use the same galleries twice..
Once for a tgp gallery and once for the freesite.. Just my 2 cents..

iwantchixx · 03-27-2005, 05:14 PM

Bandwidth used is not really an issue. Freesites get 1/10th the traffic of tgp galleries.

the problem with freesites is there is just not enough traffic anymore. You can buy top listings with all the big link lists and still not compare to normal listings with a gallery run traffic wise.

Free sites shoudl just be treated as a supliment. basing your income on them is not going to cut it anymore

nico-t · 03-27-2005, 06:12 PM

i make from every gallery a free site. Free sites last long, long term income. Plus they convert WAY better then galleries.

Trax · 03-27-2005, 06:30 PM

true...
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Sly · 03-27-2005, 06:32 PM

I love reading threads like this. It shows you who actually has experience, and who is just spitting out the same nonsense they heard from somebody else.

FIX01 · 03-27-2005, 06:55 PM

I've been submitting free sites for a while and i can tell you that the traffic is much better quality however it is not at the same volume it was a year ago. Many (not all) link lists are starting to play games such as listing every 3rd or 4th site you submit regardless of quality and generally being a pain in the ass about finding reasons to reject your site.

Pornwolf · 03-27-2005, 07:38 PM

If this was 2001 again I'd say focus on free sites.

But it's not.

Crypt · 03-27-2005, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXperienZ

Well, you have to see at the expenses too... If a freesite got 3 galleries, and
the surfer needs to look at all the galleries before deciding if he wants to join
or not, then you have used 3-4 times the bandwith you would use if you only
submitted one gallery to a tgp.. For me tgp/freesites convert just about the same..
After created 2-3 galleries, I make one freesite out of them.. Then I can use the same galleries twice..
Once for a tgp gallery and once for the freesite.. Just my 2 cents..

Real webmasters who have experience with free sites submit them to linklist NOT ONLY for their traffic.

Linklist traffic itself is only a litle % of the traffic you can get on your free site when you submit it.

psyko514 · 03-27-2005, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I love reading threads like this. It shows you who actually has experience, and who is just spitting out the same nonsense they heard from somebody else.

No doubt.

A few things about freesites... First, most freesites have no more than 20 pictures, which is only slightly more than your typical gallery. The freesites I design range in size between 1.5 and 2.5 mb, depending on the size of the pics used. So yes, on a per view basis, the bandwith usage is higher than a gallery. However, like iwantchixx said, the amount of traffic you'll get is a fraction of what you'll get to a gallery.

Second, even though the bandwith "cost" is higher per view, you gotta remember that you also have 4 times as many chances to advertise to your surfer.

Third, linklists generally get some sweet SE traffic which gets passed on to you. Eventually, the SEs will spider your freesites. If you know even just a little bit of SEO techniques, you'll see some nice SE traffic directly to your freesites.

Fourth, although the traffic might be lower and linklists might be listing less sites, I personally feel that if you're going to choose between submitting galleries or freesites, the latter is a better choice. Getting listed at worthwhile TGPs is a bitch unless you have partner accounts, which are also a bitch to snag. And I've always found my click-thru ratios to be much higher with freesites. Looking at some stats, I'm seeing click-thru ratios at 10%.

Babagirls · 03-28-2005, 12:04 AM

freesite traffic is much more productive (for me) as far as sales.

Not only does it give you the oppurtunity to create a mini-world about who/what you're selling, but you'll be seeing sales for a very long time (which is one of the biggest differences between link lists and tgps).

Linklists also have great targeted quality traffic (example: tommys bookmarks). And the se traffic that you'll get for years to come will also pull in more and more sales.

Steve · 03-28-2005, 12:58 AM

there is no good reason to make this a "VS" thread
do both you'll be happy
why leave money on the table?

swedguy · 03-28-2005, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

You can buy top listings with all the big link lists and still not compare to normal listings with a gallery run traffic wise.

Like which big ones?

Lycanthrope · 03-28-2005, 03:27 AM

Steve is right, no need to do a vs. here.. do them all, but you are all forgetting something.

TGP: 10,120 16 1:633 $480.00
FREE SITE: 4,159 10 1:416 $300.00
TGP2: 2,030 17 1:119 $510.00

sumphatpimp · 03-28-2005, 06:20 AM

sponsor hosted galleries is the way to go.

Shags · 03-28-2005, 08:16 AM

One year ago I always got my site listed, now I only get listed on 3 out of 5

The traffic is not any better then TGP. LL traffic is 30% bookmarks; Who would want to bookmark a LL? Surfers who don't have a clue. 3 clicks to get a gallery from a description only!
If these surfers don't know an easier way to get free porn they sure as hell don't know how to use a credit card online.

It takes at least 1 hour to build a freesite and you need to buy content to get listed, if you're lucky you get 1 sale from the site.

Btw. I blame iggysick!

iggysick · 03-28-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Shags

One year ago I always got my site listed, now I only get listed on 3 out of 5

The traffic is not any better then TGP. LL traffic is 30% bookmarks; Who would want to bookmark a LL? Surfers who don't have a clue. 3 clicks to get a gallery from a description only!
If these surfers don't know an easier way to get free porn they sure as hell don't know how to use a credit card online.

It takes at least 1 hour to build a freesite and you need to buy content to get listed, if you're lucky you get 1 sale from the site.

Btw. I blame iggysick!

Theres no money in seo too

Shags · 03-28-2005, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iggysick

Theres no money in seo too

iggysick you should have kept your mouth shut.

iggysick · 03-28-2005, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Shags

iggysick you should have kept your mouth shuthahaha8230;

Just buy free site designs from expert and see is there money to be made out of it

Shags · 03-28-2005, 08:28 AM

One joint a day dont pay the rent in this country.

Ramster · 03-28-2005, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shags

One year ago I always got my site listed, now I only get listed on 3 out of 5

The traffic is not any better then TGP. LL traffic is 30% bookmarks; Who would want to bookmark a LL? Surfers who don't have a clue. 3 clicks to get a gallery from a description only!
If these surfers don't know an easier way to get free porn they sure as hell don't know how to use a credit card online.

It takes at least 1 hour to build a freesite and you need to buy content to get listed, if you're lucky you get 1 sale from the site.

Btw. I blame iggysick!

Your bookmark theory is flawed. The same can be said about tgp bookmarkers. Dumb surfers bookmark a link list? LOL

Here's my 2 cents:
The reason less sites get listed is sooooooooo many people are using sponsor content. I run a link list that gets 50-60 submits a day and I can tell you that 10-15% of the submits use bought content. How can I list 40+ sites a day ALL using sponsor content? I cannot.

And the way the market is today every time a new site is released like GiveMePink I get 10 submits a day ALL using sponsor content. It's insane.

Personally I submit galleries daily because the traffic is easily 5X higher or more depending on what partner accounts a person has. Link lists are great as an addon to that traffic and for working on SE traffic.

iggysick · 03-28-2005, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shags

One joint a day dont pay the rent in this country.

I can show you what kind of free sites my dude doing for 25$ a piece. He is doing only free sites for living and I can tell ya, he is doing a bit more than one joint a day

psyko514 · 03-28-2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shags

The traffic is not any better then TGP. LL traffic is 30% bookmarks; Who would want to bookmark a LL? Surfers who don't have a clue. 3 clicks to get a gallery from a description only!
If these surfers don't know an easier way to get free porn they sure as hell don't know how to use a credit card online.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. A surfer who doesn't know an easy way to get free porn is MORE LIKELY to use his credit card to pay for porn than a surfer who knows how to snag free porn.

And if it takes you an hour to build a freesite, you're slow

Nifield · 03-28-2005, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psyko514

A surfer who doesn't know an easy way to get free porn is MORE LIKELY to use his credit card to pay for porn than a surfer who knows how to snag free porn.

no doubt.

pood · 03-28-2005, 12:15 PM

focus your time on blogs

chowda · 03-28-2005, 12:49 PM

linklist last pratically forever (pending stupidities u do)
galleries.. besides getting taken from other tgps. will last as long as an archive will last

sumphatpimp · 03-28-2005, 01:53 PM

just put a banner in your sig and become a post whore.
that is where the real money is.

alexg · 03-28-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

Steve is right, no need to do a vs. here.. do them all, but you are all forgetting something.

TGP: 10,120 16 1:633 $480.00
FREE SITE: 4,159 10 1:416 $300.00
TGP2: 2,030 17 1:119 $510.00

can you really get a lot of traffic from tgp2s?

i'm a real noob in this field... can anyone recommend a good resource for learning more about tgp2?

http · 03-28-2005, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chowda

linklist last pratically forever (pending stupidities u do)
galleries.. besides getting taken from other tgps. will last as long as an archive will last

Seems like some of the big linklists drop your listing after 6 months...

I think Greenguy does this, and a few others

Jimmer · 03-28-2005, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexg

can you really get a lot of traffic from tgp2s?

i'm a real noob in this field... can anyone recommend a good resource for learning more about tgp2?

http://www.tgp2base.com

2 15 pic tgp galleries = enough for 1 free site
divide them up and you get 6 tgp2s
Use all traffic sources!

Jimmer · 03-28-2005, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by http

Seems like some of the big linklists drop your listing after 6 months...

I think Greenguy does this, and a few others

You can get some good traffic from small link lists and their rules can be easier too.

03-27-2005, 04:37 PM	#1
http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	FreeSites vs. TGP Galleries The Linklist traffic is supposed to be better but how much better is it? Linklists are now trading traffic with tgp's. I'd say with tgp galleries a realistic "gallery views/sales" ratio is 1 sale per 30-60k gallery views What is the average Freesite views/sales ratio nowadays? 1 sale per 10-20k visits? Is that too optimistic? If Linklists convert, say 3 times (?) better, can they send 1/3 of the traffic that you can get to a daily tgp gallery - at least within a few weeks?

03-27-2005, 05:02 PM	#2
eXperienZ Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 272	Well, you have to see at the expenses too... If a freesite got 3 galleries, and the surfer needs to look at all the galleries before deciding if he wants to join or not, then you have used 3-4 times the bandwith you would use if you only submitted one gallery to a tgp.. For me tgp/freesites convert just about the same.. After created 2-3 galleries, I make one freesite out of them.. Then I can use the same galleries twice.. Once for a tgp gallery and once for the freesite.. Just my 2 cents.. __________________ No Sig

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iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	Bandwidth used is not really an issue. Freesites get 1/10th the traffic of tgp galleries. the problem with freesites is there is just not enough traffic anymore. You can buy top listings with all the big link lists and still not compare to normal listings with a gallery run traffic wise. Free sites shoudl just be treated as a supliment. basing your income on them is not going to cut it anymore

03-27-2005, 06:12 PM	#4
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	i make from every gallery a free site. Free sites last long, long term income. Plus they convert WAY better then galleries.

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Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	true... .

03-27-2005, 06:55 PM	#7
FIX01 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Far to the left Posts: 183	I've been submitting free sites for a while and i can tell you that the traffic is much better quality however it is not at the same volume it was a year ago. Many (not all) link lists are starting to play games such as listing every 3rd or 4th site you submit regardless of quality and generally being a pain in the ass about finding reasons to reject your site.

03-28-2005, 12:58 AM	#12
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	there is no good reason to make this a "VS" thread do both you'll be happy why leave money on the table?

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Lycanthrope Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,517	Steve is right, no need to do a vs. here.. do them all, but you are all forgetting something. TGP: 10,120 16 1:633 $480.00 FREE SITE: 4,159 10 1:416 $300.00 TGP2: 2,030 17 1:119 $510.00 __________________

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sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	sponsor hosted galleries is the way to go.

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Shags Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: DK Posts: 735	One year ago I always got my site listed, now I only get listed on 3 out of 5 The traffic is not any better then TGP. LL traffic is 30% bookmarks; Who would want to bookmark a LL? Surfers who don't have a clue. 3 clicks to get a gallery from a description only! If these surfers don't know an easier way to get free porn they sure as hell don't know how to use a credit card online. It takes at least 1 hour to build a freesite and you need to buy content to get listed, if you're lucky you get 1 sale from the site. Btw. I blame iggysick! __________________ Click Here

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