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Entropy · 03-27-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

So why not put a bullet in her head and end it. I mean we are klling her anyways.

In a way, I agree...A nice hefty dose of morphine makes alot more sense than the drama of starving her...

DarkJedi · 03-27-2005, 01:53 PM

Under the law, a feeding tube does count as life support.

Quote from Sandra Day O'Conner:

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Artificial feeding cannot readily be distinguished from other forms of medical treatment. Whether or not the techniques used to pass food and water into the patient's alimentary tract are termed "medical treatment," it is clear they all involve some degree of intrusion and restraint. Feeding a patient by means of a nasogastric tube requires a physician to pass a long flexible tube through the patient's nose, throat and esophagus and into the stomach. Because of the discomfort such a tube causes, "[m]any patients need to be restrained forcibly, and their hands put into large mittens to prevent them from removing the tube." A gastrostomy tube (as was used to provide food and water to Nancy Cruzan) or jejunostomy tube must be surgically implanted into the stomach or small intestine. Requiring a competent adult to endure such procedures against her will burdens the patient's liberty, dignity, and freedom to determine the course of her own treatment. Accordingly, the liberty guaranteed by the Due Process Clause must protect, if it protects anything, an individual's deeply personal decision to reject medical treatment, including the artificial delivery of food and water.

xclusive · 03-27-2005, 01:54 PM

wow good find feel bad for her either way though

SmokeyTheBear · 03-27-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Entropy

She doesn't know she is being starved to death. She is incapable of feeling hunger. The part of her brain that sends the signal of hunger to her stomach does not work.

Even if this were true, its cruel to everyone else involved. Its also a needless expense that could be better spent on people who are treatably sick.

Alex · 03-27-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Entropy

Yet they seem to have no problem with the many people, that have alot better chance at a normal life, starving each and everyday...

I agree but that isnt the point being debated.
We all know that the media lives of contreversoy. But the problem is that a hospital is agreeing to let someone starve to death. People see that and associate it as torture. Which is why so much contrevoersy is going on about her. If she is going to be killed, why not just do it.

David! · 03-27-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Im shocked at how you are turning this into a red states vs blue states issue.

She is a human being being started to death.

Heuh?
It is the politicians and media who are turning this into a blue vs. red state.
The same democrats who will cry for baby jesus when a child murderer is executed and the same republicans who think the solution is to give weapons to teacher.

As far as I am concerned, I think that her parents should make decisions on her fate, not the husband.

Fake Nick · 03-27-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

You are an illeterate retard, I think everyone here knows that from reading the pearls coming out of your little brain.
Now, go play with Buster and Bubba.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL , idiot

Dalai lama · 03-27-2005, 01:56 PM

So much drama.

David! · 03-27-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

If your wife told you , " please pull the plug if i ever reach a vegetative state like that "

would you turn over rights to her parents if you knew they would keep her alive , regardless of if you were divorced or not ?

Every case is different. If that happened to me, and my wife's parents wanted to keep her alive, then I would turn over the decision to her parents. Anyways, in that case, the husband's side claims that she is not even here and can't feel anything, therefore she would not feel anything too if she was kept alive.

DarkJedi · 03-27-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

If she is going to be killed, why not just do it.

She is not going to be killed. She is going to die of natural causes.

I suggest you grow a brain asap.

Alex · 03-27-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

As far as I am concerned, I think that her parents should make decisions on her fate, not the husband.

Thats why you are not "leagally" concerned in this.

Damian_Maxcash · 03-27-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Entropy

In a way, I agree...A nice hefty dose of morphine makes alot more sense than the drama of starving her...

She will get a lot of morphine... In the end it be will what finishes her off

aico · 03-27-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

The mother was at then end of her life and was on life support, Terri is young and is not on life support. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

Eh... I am pretty sure that feeding tube was supporting her life...

baddog · 03-27-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

"There was no way [Charles] wanted to live like that. Tom knew ? we all knew ? his father wouldn't have wanted to live that way."
Again, if the Schiavo case was a case where everybody agreed then there would be no story.
In the Schiavo case, only the husband side agrees.

And you think Schiavo does?

David! · 03-27-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL , idiot

And you are?
Do you run a program?
Do you own a site?
Are you even a webmaster?

Alex · 03-27-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

She is not going to be killed. She is going to die of natural causes.

Idiot. She is being deprived of food. She cant eat and support her self by her self.

Back to my previous camparision..

If you take an infant. And leave it alone and dont feed it, and it dies. You practically killed it. Because the infant cant fend for it self.

baddog · 03-27-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

As far as I am concerned, I think that her parents should make decisions on her fate, not the husband.

I never thought I would see the day that I thought Dark Jedi was smarter than you. I may go shoot myself now.

BTW, if it does not kill me, do not keep me on life support.

DarkJedi · 03-27-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Thats like saying anyone under the age of 2 is on life support.
Are infants on life support becasue the cant feed themselves?? Idiot.

yes, they are. but they're not brain damaged, they're expected to "recover" from needing life support, and certainly can't consent to having the life support removed.

David! · 03-27-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

And you think Schiavo does?

In a criminal case, family witness usually never have much weight since they are most of time testifying for one of their family member.
No one knows what Terri Schiavo wanted, there are 5 people who claim that she said she would not have wanted to be kept alive, one of them is the husband, the other 4 are the husband's family members.
No one from her side or no one who was friend with her ever heard her say that.
Also, why did the husband wait 7 years to let the court that she wanted not to live like that?
If there was something in writting or if there was at least one witness from the Schindler side, then we would not be here discussing this.

CoreAdult-Dee · 03-27-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

As everyone can tell she can live on her own, she is doing it right now. She is disabled, she can't eat on her own she has never had therapy. Without food you die and that goes for anyone.

Hon, she does not have brain function she is in a coma. Her breathing and reflexes are autotomic reactions, nothing she can control on her own. They could give her therapy 20 hours per day 7 days a week and she will NEVER be able to care for herself simply because she is basically brain dead.

It is a terrible situation, but I used to take blood from a young woman in the same situation as this lady. The parents won the court battle, the husband was granted a divorced and moved on with his life. Fifteen years later both parents had died, there were no other relatives...so there she layed in a ward in a nursing home with people 3 times her age....day in and day out, in diapers, having to be constantly moved to help prevent bedsores...constant infections because of lack of activity....being tube fed through her abdomen...no visitors. Expected lifespan...probably another 40 years. She will never awaken, never get any better. Over the years she has moved more and more into the fetal position and eventually she will seize up and just be basically a stiff shell of a person curled up in the fetal position.

Would you realy want that for yourself Loryn? Would you want to put your family, your friends through that? And what about when they all move on, or pass away, and you are there...still....no life....sounds about as close to hell on earth as one can get.

Do I feel for this young woman? Of course I do, it is heartbreaking and hearts will break no matter what decision is made. I feel badly for her parents who visit her constantly...always forever hopeful for the impossible. To be honest though, I would NOT want to put my parents (if they were alive) through that..I would want them to enjoy their lives instead of letting theirs slip away hoping for me to return from a journey I have no hope of returning off. I would want them to vacation, to laugh, to think of me with good thoughts and happy memories of our life together...the special times we shared....not standing over me day after day...year after year at my shell of a body..waisting what years they have left on me.

Alex · 03-27-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

yes, they are. but they're not brain damaged, they're expected to "recover" from needing life support, and certainly can't consent to having the life support removed.

That is correct. But an infant is just as much as a "vegetable" as Schiavo is.

They need life support. It may not be in the form of a tube, but someone has to feed them or they will die.

I understand and semi agree with you do

aico · 03-27-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

So why not put a bullet in her head and end it. I mean we are klling her anyways.

Because we only treat family pets and murders with that sort of special treatment & respect, people we love & care about, they gotta starve to death, duh, use your head man.

benc · 03-27-2005, 02:06 PM

I agree with right to death, but in this case she clearly should be kept alive.

There are way too many troubling issues in this case. Some of which were just mentioned.

I think people on the left, many in this thread, are making themself look like idiots.

Alex · 03-27-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CoreAdult-Dee

Hon, she does not have brain function she is in a coma. Her breathing and reflexes are autotomic reactions, nothing she can control on her own. They could give her therapy 20 hours per day 7 days a week and she will NEVER be able to care for herself simply because she is basically brain dead.

It is a terrible situation, but I used to take blood from a young woman in the same situation as this lady. The parents won the court battle, the husband was granted a divorced and moved on with his life. Fifteen years later both parents had died, there were no other relatives...so there she layed in a ward in a nursing home with people 3 times her age....day in and day out, in diapers, having to be constantly moved to help prevent bedsores...constant infections because of lack of activity....being tube fed through her abdomen...no visitors. Expected lifespan...probably another 40 years. She will never awaken, never get any better. Over the years she has moved more and more into the fetal position and eventually she will seize up and just be basically a stiff shell of a person curled up in the fetal position.

Would you realy want that for yourself Loryn? Would you want to put your family, your friends through that? And what about when they all move on, or pass away, and you are there...still....no life....sounds about as close to hell on earth as one can get.

Do I feel for this young woman? Of course I do, it is heartbreaking and hearts will break no matter what decision is made. I feel badly for her parents who visit her constantly...always forever hopeful for the impossible. To be honest though, I would NOT want to put my parents (if they were alive) through that..I would want them to enjoy their lives instead of letting theirs slip away hoping for me to return from a journey I have no hope of returning off. I would want them to vacation, to laugh, to think of me with good thoughts and happy memories of our life together...the special times we shared....not standing over me day after day...year after year at my shell of a body..waisting what years they have left on me.

Good post. But do you agree that letting her "naturally" die by starving her is right. Why not just get it over with.

MetaMan · 03-27-2005, 02:06 PM

the parents should be hung, what sick sick people you have to be to continue to keep someone braindead alive, and even IF she wasnt braindead to be sitting in that chair for 15 years with no chance of communication only a complete fool would keep her alive and say that she never wanted to die.

Alex · 03-27-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aico

Because we only treat family pets and murders with that sort of special treatment & respect, people we love & care about, they gotta starve to death, duh, use your head man.

So fucking true. I had a friend who had a dog with 10 turmors. They put it to sleep. No letting it die or starving it.

MetaMan · 03-27-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by benc

I agree with right to death, but in this case she clearly should be kept alive.

There are way too many troubling issues in this case. Some of which were just mentioned.

I think people on the left, many in this thread, are making themself look like idiots.

stfu you are a complete idiot.

DarkJedi · 03-27-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

That is correct. But an infant is just as much as a "vegetable" as Schiavo is.

No. The infants grow and gain brain functions like logical thinking etc.

Terri does not have a brain - it's liquified. She isn't even in coma. She can not recover. People can't grow a new brain.

David! · 03-27-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I never thought I would see the day that I thought Dark Jedi was smarter than you. I may go shoot myself now.

BTW, if it does not kill me, do not keep me on life support.

Every case is different.
In this case:
-dude marries woman
-they live together for 7 years
-she gets fucked up
-she is in irreversible coma/vegetative state/whatever you want to call it
-dude gets new woman
-dude gets 2 new kids with his new woman
-court decide that dude is and will remain the legal guardian

Now if you think that he should be the one to decide on her behalf, then I will have to be the one to go shoot myself.

Alex · 03-27-2005, 02:09 PM

Im not sure what people are upset more about.

That her parents cant decide to keep her alive
Or
That she is beign starved to death.

DarkJedi · 03-27-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

So fucking true. I had a friend who had a dog with 10 turmors. They put it to sleep. No letting it die or starving it.

You're comparing amimals to humans ?

God, you're an idiot.

MetaMan · 03-27-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

Every case is different.
In this case:
-dude marries woman
-they live together for 7 years
-she gets fucked up
-she is in irreversible coma/vegetative state/whatever you want to call it
-dude gets new woman
-dude gets 2 new kids with his new woman
-court decide that dude is and will remain the legal guardian

Now if you think that he should be the one to decide on her behalf, then I will have to be the one to go shoot myself.

the fact that you use "dude" more than twice in one paragraph makes me agree with baddog on this one.

you are also a complete idiot stfu.

Clicky_Bucks · 03-27-2005, 02:11 PM

Like it or not, we all go. I personally am in favor of a more humane approach than the slow drag out, but I can understand the complexity and tension over assisted suicide and where that line should be drawn.

What really should be easy is permitting an individual to have the dignity to make these decisions for themselves.

And for everyone looking for the "evil husband" motive and quoting a bunch of blatant lies, it really does not help anyone nor does it help your credibility.The husband has turned down multiple offers of seven figures to just go away. The trust fund has been publicly accounted for and is totally exhausted. There is no insurance. There is no pay day.

The position on abuse causing this is a total joke. They only even raised it as an argument after they lost the first trial. This has been rejected by all of her treating physicians, the trial court, appellate courts, the GAL, the independent doctors looking at the case. But we have to vilify anyone as long as we can score political points and advance an agenda.

Every independent medical expert that has actually reviewed the records (unlike the 17 so-called experts in the affidavits who never bothered to even review her medical records, relied on 4 minutes of video snips from a five hour long tape, and amazingly NEVER EVEN DISCUSSED HER CAT SCAN) has found she is in PVS, or cerebral cortex is absolutely eliminated, and she has no hope of recovery.

Have you seen her CAT scan? Instead of a cerebral cortex there is only ventricle. Necrotic tissue extends even into other areas of the brain. Her brain stem is active ... the lights are on, but there is decidedly no one home.

Oh, the nurses. Yes, the people who never bothered to note that a patient in persistent vegetative state spoke. One who was fired because the husband complained about her lack of attention to Ms. Schiavo. The one who says she can eat ice cream and jello (um, why the feeding tube? duh). Interesting some of these people crawl out of the woodwork so late under the media spotlight and only after the first trial's result.

Even the parents and their legal counsel conceded she was in PVS throughout the first trial and on appeal. It was only after they lost that they completely shifted gears, made up a new story, and propped up good Dr. Hammesfahr.

This so-called expert for the parents claims he is Nobel nominated. Only he was nominated by his congressman. Maybe I should have my wife nominate me for the Nobel Peace Prize so I can add it to my resume. Do you not see the credibility gap??

He has been censured by the Florida DOH for lying to patients and has to have another doctor following him around and reviewing his files. When he said his treatment would work, and has worked, he could not point to a single specific case file or case study in support of his position. You would think that might be important if you are testifying in court. If you really want to believe experts of this caliber rather than actual evidence, that is a fine statement of why we need courts deciding these types of issues and actually weighing evidence rather than using mob rule in the legislature to eliminate the individual's rights to control their medical treatment.

Hmm, should the court believe the guy with the fake Nobel certification, license complaints, and with no proof supporting his opinion? Yet that is exactly what some people latch on to. Logic and reason seem to be evaporating from our country's fabric on a daily basis.

The parents in the first trial indicated they would consent to amputation of all her arms and legs, and then still do open heart surgery and keep her alive. They testified under oath that if she woke up and told them she wanted the tube removed, they would ignore her wishes and keep her alive indefinitely. Tell me that is not sick. I understand their pain and their loss. But try and tell me that this is about their daughter's wishes and desires. After they testify in that fashion, how is anyone really supposed to believe they have their daughter's wishes in mind and are accurately testifying to them???

Let this poor poor woman retain just a tiny shred of her lost dignity and pass. Splashing this poor woman's absent shell on videos to raise money for causes and push a so-called "pro-life" agenda is really pretty sick. Calling people who look at this differently as part of a "culture of death" is ridiculous. No one wants this woman to die. What people on the other side of this issue react to is the need to respect the wishes of an individual regarding their, repeat THEIR, medical care. That is really respect for life, dignity, and the ultimate responsibility of a person for their own choices.

On a final note, better draft an iron clad living will. Better ensure you have your DNR fully executed. Make sure you lock down who is your agent for treatment decisions. I have, have you?

David! · 03-27-2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

the fact that you use "dude" more than twice in one paragraph makes me agree with baddog on this one.

you are also a complete idiot stfu.

wazup homey?

mikeyddddd · 03-27-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

The Republican Party has cornered the market on hypocrisy.

Hellllooo Captain Obvious

November was the first time I have ever voted a straight ticket - Deomcrat - any ass hat voting otherwise is part of the problem.

Alex · 03-27-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

You're comparing amimals to humans ?

God, you're an idiot.

Idiot. She is going to die right?
Why not just end it/>?

baddog · 03-27-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

Life support deals with the respiratory system and heart compressions. You have basic life support, meaning you give someone mouth to mouth and pump their heart to keep the blood circulating, you have advance life support where you have a machine pump the heart and push air into the lungs. Terri is not on life support. She is disabled.

Sorry, Loryn, you know I love you, but what exactly do you want to keep her alive for?

My daughter works with severely mentally disabled kids, some of which need to be assisted with eating, or going to the bathroom, but at least they can move and communicate, neither of which Terri can do.

Tell us, would you want to be kept alive if you were in that situation? Do you know anyone that would?

Fake Nick · 03-27-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

And you are?
Do you run a program?
Do you own a site?
Are you even a webmaster?

what has that to do with my fact stated that I thought you were full of yourself for claiming you were the one that grasped it and most others were to dumb to comprehend it

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 03-27-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

If you take an infant. And leave it alone and dont feed it, and it dies. You practically killed it. Because the infant cant fend for it self.

thats just called chinese birth control

DarkJedi · 03-27-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Idiot. She is being deprived of food. She cant eat and support her self by her self.

Back to my previous camparision..

If you take an infant. And leave it alone and dont feed it, and it dies. You practically killed it. Because the infant cant fend for it self.

A feeding tube is only required if a patient is incapable of swallowing. The inability to swallow is a fatal pathology, and circumventing this pathology requires medical intervention or treatment.

An infant, parapalegic, etc may need assistance in feeding, but they have the ability to swallow. There is no comparison between the two.

David! · 03-27-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fake Nick

what has that to do with my fact stated that I thought you were full of yourself for claiming you were the one that grasped it and most others were to dumb to comprehend it

Well, it seems like it is a gfy habit to insult one that does not agree with you. Other call you idiot, i call them retard.

baddog · 03-27-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

Because she can't feed herself. She is disabled. We have people who have multiple scoliosis who can't feed themselves, mentally retarded people who can't feed themselves, and we are educating them and feeding them.

Those people do not need a tube inserted in them. They can sit in a wheel chair, they can communicate in some manner, they can be educated. She can't.

Personally, I think they should harvest whatever useful parts are left on her and let her go.

aico · 03-27-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

You're comparing amimals to humans ?

God, you're an idiot.

No, you stupid asshat, he is comparing how we treat animals & muderers with more dignity than humans.

Something ironic about a moron who uses Darth Vader on his sig calling people idiots... Luke, I am your father... Now go play with your action figures and whack off to Princess Leah you stupid 11th level Cleric.

Johny Traffic · 03-27-2005, 02:18 PM

Let her die in piece you extremist hypocritical american, watch too much telly, fucks

DarkJedi · 03-27-2005, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Idiot.

No need to introduce yourself in every post. I already got the idea of who you are.

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Originally Posted by Alex

She is going to die right?
Why not just end it/>?

Because if someone ends it, he would be considered a murderer.

benc · 03-27-2005, 02:20 PM

My two cents, if your whole goal of seeing this girl die is to make a statment in the right to die issue, I suggest finding a much better case to use as a battleground, such as someone that has all their faculties and a disease, and wants to die.

I am the least religious person, and I support right to die, and think this girl should be kept alive.

baddog · 03-27-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Thats like saying anyone under the age of 2 is on life support.
Are infants on life support becasue the cant feed themselves?? Idiot.

They do not need a tube inserted in them to feed them . . . .idiot

Alex · 03-27-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

A feeding tube is only required if a patient is incapable of swallowing. The inability to swallow is a fatal pathology, and circumventing this pathology requires medical intervention or treatment.

An infant, parapalegic, etc may need assistance in feeding, but they have the ability to swallow. There is no comparison between the two.

True.
So but why cant you agree that since we are in a sense killing her by not feeding her, why not just end it with one heavy dose of morphine

Fake Nick · 03-27-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

Well, it seems like it is a gfy habit to insult one that does not agree with you. Other call you idiot, i call them retard.

yeah , but here my point is that you are the one starting with the insults by calling EVERYONE retard and stating that NO ONE really could comprehend it like you ,

that makes you a class A idiot and full of yourself

period! .

Alex · 03-27-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

Let her die in piece you extremist hypocritical american, watch too much telly, fucks

Fucking idiot.. God you have no clue whats going on

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Clicky_Bucks Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 746	Like it or not, we all go. I personally am in favor of a more humane approach than the slow drag out, but I can understand the complexity and tension over assisted suicide and where that line should be drawn. What really should be easy is permitting an individual to have the dignity to make these decisions for themselves. And for everyone looking for the "evil husband" motive and quoting a bunch of blatant lies, it really does not help anyone nor does it help your credibility.The husband has turned down multiple offers of seven figures to just go away. The trust fund has been publicly accounted for and is totally exhausted. There is no insurance. There is no pay day. The position on abuse causing this is a total joke. They only even raised it as an argument after they lost the first trial. This has been rejected by all of her treating physicians, the trial court, appellate courts, the GAL, the independent doctors looking at the case. But we have to vilify anyone as long as we can score political points and advance an agenda. Every independent medical expert that has actually reviewed the records (unlike the 17 so-called experts in the affidavits who never bothered to even review her medical records, relied on 4 minutes of video snips from a five hour long tape, and amazingly NEVER EVEN DISCUSSED HER CAT SCAN) has found she is in PVS, or cerebral cortex is absolutely eliminated, and she has no hope of recovery. Have you seen her CAT scan? Instead of a cerebral cortex there is only ventricle. Necrotic tissue extends even into other areas of the brain. Her brain stem is active ... the lights are on, but there is decidedly no one home. Oh, the nurses. Yes, the people who never bothered to note that a patient in persistent vegetative state spoke. One who was fired because the husband complained about her lack of attention to Ms. Schiavo. The one who says she can eat ice cream and jello (um, why the feeding tube? duh). Interesting some of these people crawl out of the woodwork so late under the media spotlight and only after the first trial's result. Even the parents and their legal counsel conceded she was in PVS throughout the first trial and on appeal. It was only after they lost that they completely shifted gears, made up a new story, and propped up good Dr. Hammesfahr. This so-called expert for the parents claims he is Nobel nominated. Only he was nominated by his congressman. Maybe I should have my wife nominate me for the Nobel Peace Prize so I can add it to my resume. Do you not see the credibility gap?? He has been censured by the Florida DOH for lying to patients and has to have another doctor following him around and reviewing his files. When he said his treatment would work, and has worked, he could not point to a single specific case file or case study in support of his position. You would think that might be important if you are testifying in court. If you really want to believe experts of this caliber rather than actual evidence, that is a fine statement of why we need courts deciding these types of issues and actually weighing evidence rather than using mob rule in the legislature to eliminate the individual's rights to control their medical treatment. Hmm, should the court believe the guy with the fake Nobel certification, license complaints, and with no proof supporting his opinion? Yet that is exactly what some people latch on to. Logic and reason seem to be evaporating from our country's fabric on a daily basis. The parents in the first trial indicated they would consent to amputation of all her arms and legs, and then still do open heart surgery and keep her alive. They testified under oath that if she woke up and told them she wanted the tube removed, they would ignore her wishes and keep her alive indefinitely. Tell me that is not sick. I understand their pain and their loss. But try and tell me that this is about their daughter's wishes and desires. After they testify in that fashion, how is anyone really supposed to believe they have their daughter's wishes in mind and are accurately testifying to them??? Let this poor poor woman retain just a tiny shred of her lost dignity and pass. Splashing this poor woman's absent shell on videos to raise money for causes and push a so-called "pro-life" agenda is really pretty sick. Calling people who look at this differently as part of a "culture of death" is ridiculous. No one wants this woman to die. What people on the other side of this issue react to is the need to respect the wishes of an individual regarding their, repeat THEIR, medical care. That is really respect for life, dignity, and the ultimate responsibility of a person for their own choices. On a final note, better draft an iron clad living will. Better ensure you have your DNR fully executed. Make sure you lock down who is your agent for treatment decisions. I have, have you? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-27-2005, 02:06 PM	#75
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	the parents should be hung, what sick sick people you have to be to continue to keep someone braindead alive, and even IF she wasnt braindead to be sitting in that chair for 15 years with no chance of communication only a complete fool would keep her alive and say that she never wanted to die.

03-27-2005, 02:18 PM	#94
Johny Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,461	Let her die in piece you extremist hypocritical american, watch too much telly, fucks __________________ hosted flv's, hosted galleries, morphing rss feeds, free content, free sites, hosted blog

03-27-2005, 02:20 PM	#96
benc Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 788	My two cents, if your whole goal of seeing this girl die is to make a statment in the right to die issue, I suggest finding a much better case to use as a battleground, such as someone that has all their faculties and a disease, and wants to die. I am the least religious person, and I support right to die, and think this girl should be kept alive. __________________ Numerous Adult and Non Adult Domains For Sale Such as SlutVideos.com, FitWomen.com Listed on Sedo or can do direct sale