Heinrich

don't offer cheap 300 bucks whole design for a paysite againn.. u're ruinning your own business and other webdesigners !!

u're paying alot of $$$ for school
college + graphics software and making only 300$ for whole paysite design ?

if this continue to happen, someday
i'll see webdesigners offering 20-50 bucks
for paysite touring and design
this is not good and i think
of course u don't want this happen
i'm too..

RedShoe

You lost me in the middle...

And I can't even begin to understand what the fuck this means:
"of course u don't want this happen
i'm too.. "

------------------
<A HREF="http://www.soulcash.com/content.htm?sc9redshoe" TARGET=_blank>13,000 free pics and videos
Join SoulCash Now!
BraveGirls.com is converting 1:210</A>
<A HREF="http://www.usexfan.com/webmasters/moneymaker/" TARGET=_blank>
</A>
BoneProne Family Member

TinaTeam

You know, I'm that one who's offering that. I really think as you do, but this is the only way to get some clients, cos I'm rather new in the business. I'd like to charge more but then, who's gonna referr to me. I know that good quality is always paying off, but simply I have to do something till I become known. Also I'm just now trying to find good domain name for my site so clients will be able to see my work online. The I'm gonna raise those prices.

------------------
The cheapest one!

Amputate Your Head

How about doing some decent work that gets NOTICED. Instead of that crap you put out here. I wouldn't give you a buck fifty for that, let alone over $300.

No wonder you gotta cut our throats.

[This message has been edited by Amputate Your Head (edited 12-27-2001).]

Direktor

well that site was ugly man, but still, what else can you ask for 300$?

------------------
wrap it up and lick it clean.

Mike Semen

Hey AMP,

Apart from the fact that the jpegs don't quite join up, the girl is uglier than a bag of spanners, and the whole thing is off centre, what's so bad about Tina's design?

Amputate Your Head

The 6 or 7 different fonts are really throwing off my equilibrium here... the colors

awww fuck it.. I got better things to do.

onlyreal

ehhe 300$=500,000,000.00tl

so it is still very good for us sorry

Amputate Your Head

Maybe so... but what would you do if someone HERE just happened to undercut YOU, to a point that you couldn't do anything about it.... what would you do then?

dewpoint

My unsolicited 2 cents.

TinaTeam, before you take the design criticism to heart, I just wanted to point out that your work does have merit. It does need some tweaking here and there, such as fonts, but overall you are going in the right direction.

The price, you definitely need to work on. It's always tempting to offer the lowest price, but don't sell yourself short. The going rate for designers is at least $50 an hour and averages closer to $100. You may get more volume with your pricing... but raise your prices and you will be able to bring in the same income with a lower volume of clients. Plus, believe me, the bargain hunters who will pay your $300 are also the same people who will give you the most grief.

I run the Advertising / Marketing Department for a large conventional - non-adult corporation, so I've been around the block a few times.

P.S. To all those who thought the girl was ugly. It's all a matter of taste. I like her. She would get my attention long before the perfect California type babes would. Plus, the niche is Latin. I think the chosen girl hits this niche quite well. It's all about standing out from the competition.

-=HUNGRYMAN=-

Colors that clash ... more fonts than wannabe designers on this board ... mouseovers that have more STROKE than my cack gets ... and overcompressed (yes ugly too) jpeg images ... and you wanna tell this person they are on the right track ???

ARE YOU FUCKEN HIGH ?!?

Oh ... damn, I now see what you are doing ... encourraging them to produce the same lame shit, so that they will never be as good as others ... now I get it ...

Yeah ... that lATINHUT site fucking ROCKS !!

------------------

The Black Sheep of the Boneprone Family
I like to rub HERTURN on my nipples

[This message has been edited by -=HUNGRYMAN=- (edited 12-27-2001).]

Amputate Your Head

Don't forget the misspellings...

-=HUNGRYMAN=-

The Messiah has finally come !! Bow down before him and absorb his words of wisdom (even if they are in broken English).

------------------

The Black Sheep of the Boneprone Family
I like to rub HERTURN on my nipples

[This message has been edited by -=HUNGRYMAN=- (edited 12-27-2001).]

pr0

Ummm incase you didn't know

You can get design in India & other 3rd world countries for about 50 bucks.

Amputate Your Head

Yep... and it'll look like every penny of it too.

pr0

hehe thats for sure

-=HUNGRYMAN=-

pr0 :

your anit-India crap is getting LAME now ..

bookmarc

lol i was about to say the same .... sasrial kal ji

pr0 i just saw your name on www.smutreviewer.com to do a normal reviews ..... just incase you didnt know ...i built the whole script for k-man .... ask him about how cheap it was ? just wanted you to know you get what you pay for ....

and while you are at it and since you have so much free time why dont you market that software of mine which we were discussing on a commission basis ? it may make you some money you know .. and you know what i plan is a winner too ....

BookMarc



------------------
We Build Programs & Relationships!!

bookmarc

and yes dont forget to ask him (k-man)of the quality of service and back up and normal response time.

i am sure he wont have only bad things to say about indian programers .. or atleast i hope not .. hehe

------------------
We Build Programs & Relationships!!

dewpoint

I would challenge any of you nay-sayers to post your url's on this board and let us critique your handy work.

Yes, granted there are a couple of spelling mistakes. (But far fewer then I could point out in the replies to this thread). Unfortunately, this industry is filled with a blatant disregard for the English language.

I could also point you to numerous spelling mistakes on the sites owned by CE, Join4Free, AP, and all of our other favorites. First rule of thumb, use a spell checker and never proofread your own material. If English is your second language, have a friend fluent in English read the material for you.

Over compressed images?? Where does that comment come from?? The drop shadows are sharp and the images are crisp.

I stand by my original comment. The site does need some tweaking and fine-tuning, but overall I like it. Anyone can design a cookie-cutter carbon copy of the other sites out there. This designer has shown a unique style that could make him/her stand out from the crowd. Yes, maybe 5% of the webmasters out there could do a better design, but 95% could not. There is a market for this type of work.

Amputate Your Head

but the posts on this board are not here for the purpose of collecting money from surfers.
that's really not an excuse for bad spelling in something you are being PAID for.
As far as the style goes... I usually don't have much to say on that... everyone has individual tastes. Just because I don't care for it, doesn't mean that someone else won't. It's really a matter of personal tastes. That site however, is completely lacking all and any style.

Aside from that, there are basic guidelines that marketing or design people... whether it be for the web, or print, or radio.... doesn't really matter... guidelines that are followed. Standards. Such as not using every font you have to make up for a complete lack of skill. Kinda like using every sound effect in your library in a radio commercial cuz you got nothin' to say.

Same thing goes for spelling. It's excuseable because they're from somewhere else and English is their second language? Bullshit. If I'm paying someone to do it for me, the fucking spelling had better be right. And just because someone else fucked up on someone else's site, or the industry is full of illiterate people is no excuse. I've misspelled stuff in designs before... I'm not perfect... and it's pretty fucking embarrassing. But this type of shit should be corrected long before the site is live. What truly mystifies me is that the client accepted it that way.

These are a few of the things that frustrate me when people claim the title of "Designer". If I go to Home Depot and buy a screwdriver, does that then make me a fuckin' mechanic? Hardly. But I'll sure work on your car for $50 bucks if you're willing to pay it. Might not run when I get through and the muffler will be hangin' on the ground.... but hey... there's a market for those types of mechanics. Cuz some people want it all for nothing.

And in the meantime, they show up everywhere with "I'll do it for $300!!! I'm the cheapest! I'm the Master of Design!!!" Great.... lovely. Well... all this time I've just been fucking myself. Hell, all I had to do was whore myself for nothing and put out low grade shit as fast as I can. Maybe I'll restructure my business model to match that one.

But in the end, it really doesn't matter. There's opposite ends of every spectrum. Black & white... hot & cold... strong & weak... so it's all good...

dewpoint

My point is, the way every one tells it on here, this is the WORST DESIGN EVER. It's not, and it does have merit. The person who posted the $300 offer is most likely a young designer and I chose to be the teacher instead of the devils advocate. And yes, this person does need to clean up the fonts and general structure (as I pointed out in my first post) but overall this design is going places...with a little work.

I have designers (yes, real paid designers in the real world) come see me with their portfolios on a regular basis. This person's work does deserve the title designer. It's far beyond what can be thought out by a layman. Granted, he/she's not up to the caliber of the designers I use in my conventional work. But then again, the last mainstream corporate website we developed came in at $75,000. But not to many people have that sort of budget.

O.K, enough of the pissing contest. In my normal long winded way, my point is let's look at the positives.

onlyreal

we call that capitalism

Amputate Your Head

ahhh... good. Was hoping you'd see it that way. So you won't mind me undercutting you then every time. Right on...

SR

Sure when someone asks for an not too fancy design you can charge them less. Most people know they have to pay for quality. Working for as little money as some "designers" do it is bad for the business and you won't make friends.
Soon you can pay with sish kebab to get you a paysite.

------------------

<A HREF="http://www.gstringphotos.com" TARGET=_blank>GstringPhotos
high quality niche content</A>


<A HREF="http://design.sexrater.com" TARGET=_blank>SR-DESIGN
for quality adult design</A>

shunga

I would agree with that. This particular design and designer are not the finished product, but how about some encouragement? Designers are *not* competing for the same market. I'm aware of cheaper designers, for example, but I still use Web Inc because I want their higher quality. The chances are someone who works with a cheaper designer couldn't afford to use you anyway, Amp.

Amputate Your Head

Good point... but not always true either... I don't always follow the rules. That's why I don't list prices anymore.... that's about all I'm gonna disclose on that though...

Scootermuze

I think the main issue that the designers are up in arms about is the fact that: 1. someone used the board to advertise their wares... 2. They advertised those wares at a price that was an insult to the design community as a whole...
Whether or not their site is perfect, mediocre, or plain trash isn't the issue.

Amputate Your Head

Perfectly spoken.