Federal Appeals Court Says RIP Terri Schiavo

[KRL]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._damaged_woman

[RedShoe]

centurion beat you.

[Manowar]

Hopefully this time she will be able to rest in peace, instead of being kept alive.

[reynold]

Sad news.

[TDF]

please dont keep me plugged in

[Relish XXX]

Originally Posted by toodamnfli

please dont keep me plugged in

I have the same view as you. If I was in that state then pull the plug and spend any money I have left on a huge piss up!

[TheMob]

so her parents want her plugged in?

[Relish XXX]

Originally Posted by TheMob

so her parents want her plugged in?

Family want her plugged in, husband wants her unplugged.

[Furious_Female]

What bothers me most about this, is that it's a cruel way to let someone die. If she wasn't breathing on her own, that's one thing... it would be quick and painless then. But now they have to wait for her to die of dehydration. I couldn't live with myself being responsible for someone dying like that. Not even convicted murderers on death row will die like that. She will suffer and she can't even communicate her pain to anyone. Breaks my heart.

[titmowse]

Originally Posted by Furious_Female

What bothers me most about this, is that it's a cruel way to let someone die. If she wasn't breathing on her own, that's one thing... it would be quick and painless then. But now they have to wait for her to die of dehydration. I couldn't live with myself being responsible for someone dying like that. Not even convicted murderers on death row will die like that. She will suffer and she can't even communicate her pain to anyone. Breaks my heart.

They will give her morphine. I promise.

[Cash]

This topic is really boring, it doesn't deserve to be main news on major news agencies ... (btw, schiavo in Italian means slave)

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Cash

This topic is really boring, it doesn't deserve to be main news on major news agencies ... (btw, schiavo in Italian means slave)

True enough. That's why I watch the BBC for my news. Trival b.s. gets 10-30 seconds, not 24/7 coverage.

[NastyChannels]

I didn´t know she can laughs and moves her eyes.

This is sad!

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by Relish XXX

Family want her plugged in, husband wants her unplugged.

A husband who has gone on with his life with a common-law wife and a couple of kids with her. Her Mother, father, brother & sister all claim the husband has misrepresented her condition and want to take Terri home to care for her.

[Relish XXX]

Originally Posted by mardigras

A husband who has gone on with his life with a common-law wife and a couple of kids with her. Her Mother, father, brother & sister all claim the husband has misrepresented her condition and want to take Terri home to care for her.

Why cant they take her home? If they took her home they could plug her in, or do they live in a trailer and havent paid the electricity bill?

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by NastyChannels

I didn´t know she can laughs and moves her eyes.

This is sad!

The family says she tries to speak and several doctors have said if she received the therapy her husband has denied her for years they feel she could improve enough to eat without the tube. I guess we'll never really know the truth. The husband has forbidden any film be taken of her for over 2 years.
Check out http://terrisfight.org

[wjxxx]

This is sad

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by Relish XXX

Why cant they take her home? If they took her home they could plug her in, or do they live in a trailer and havent paid the electricity bill?

This is what all the hoopla is about. The husband says she would want to be let die and the courts so far agree with him. They say the family has no rights in the case.

The family is completely willing and are fighting to take her home but it's not going to happen.

[Relish XXX]

Originally Posted by mardigras

This is what all the hoopla is about. The husband says she would want to be let die and the courts so far agree with him. They say the family has no rights in the case.

The family is completely willing and are fighting to take her home but it's not going to happen.

If that was my sister I would just pick her up, shove her in the car and plug her in at home then...easy problem solved.

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by Cash

This topic is really boring, it doesn't deserve to be main news on major news agencies ... (btw, schiavo in Italian means slave)

Filling TV with steroid baseball players, Michael Jackson and Terri Schiavo takes away attention from the Iraq mess or the other messes the government is working on

[theking]

Originally Posted by mardigras

The family says she tries to speak and several doctors have said if she received the therapy her husband has denied her for years they feel she could improve enough to eat without the tube. I guess we'll never really know the truth. The husband has forbidden any film be taken of her for over 2 years.
Check out http://terrisfight.org

Originally Posted by theking

She had a heart attack in 1990 (possibly caused by an eating disorder...bulimia)...and her brain was deprived of oxygen...causing severe brain damage.

For the first two years or so her husband made use of all available known medical procedures that could have possibly improved her condition.

Somewhere along the line a CAT scan was done and it showed that the cortex of her brain no longer existed and had filled with spinal fluid...which means without growing a new cortex she is beyond improvement in her condition. In addition her EEG was flatlined...which means there is not any signifcant brain activity. At this point the husband being informed that her condition was hopeless...he discontinued seeking out treatment to improve her condition. Her parents and he had a major falling out over this decision...but it was his decision to make and not theirs.

It is untrue that he was the only one that was told that she would not want to live via life support. More than one friend of hers testified to this in court.

It is my understanding that the husband does not stand to gain any money from her death other than the possibility that she may have a life insurance policy. She was awarded money for her care and he was awarded money from the same suit for the damage done to his wife. After he collected his share of the award and the attorneys collected their share of the award the remainder of the money was placed in trust for her care.

Posted in another thread.

[mardigras]

Read the "Myths about Terri" from http://terrisfight.org
Also check out the very extensive timeline.

[thaifan99]

This will lead to a rash of husbands and wifes killing each other!!

[Relish XXX]

Actually it seems as though the husband is a complete wanker who just wants to keep $600k. I change my mind. If I was the judge I would rule that he hands over the $600k and grants a divorce.

[Relish XXX]

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/terri_michael.htm - Looks as though her husband may have something to hide

[Kevsh]

I can't wait to see the taxpayer bill for all this .. that's the real shame.

[messiah1]

Schiavo Feels No Pain
CLEVELAND-Patients in a persistent vegetative state like Terri Schiavo are a subgroup who suffer severe anoxic brain injury and progress to a state of wakefulness without awareness.

It is judged to be permanent after three months if induced nontraumatically. After 3 months, recovery is rare and life expectancy is approximately 2 to 5 years.

Patients in a persistent vegetative state do not feel pain, nor do they "suffer," says Michael De Georgia, MD, head of the neurology-neurosurgery intensive care unit at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation here.

Pain, as well as suffering, requires consciousness, which is lacking in a person in a persistent vegetative state, says Dr. De Georgia.

"Certainly these patients don't suffer," he adds. "Suffering is really that whole emotional aspect of pain: fear, anxiety, panic surrounding pain. You have to have consciousness to experience these emotions. So just as a person in a persistent vegetative state can't experience pain because of a lack of consciousness, they also don't suffer."
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[bluff]

It's not sad at all, it's sad how some people cannot accept the ways of life. It's actually unbelievable how some people let their rational thinking go and be led by religious dictations. The judge has made a wise decision.

[Cassie]

what a travesty

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by messiah1

Schiavo Feels No Pain

Have you examined her, Dr. messiah1?

Why has Michael Schiavo forbidden any video be shot of her the past 2 years? Wouldn't that help to dispell much of the misinformation and accusations in this case?

[12clicks]

ah1]Schiavo Feels No Pain
CLEVELAND-Patients in a persistent vegetative state like Terri Schiavo are a subgroup who suffer severe anoxic brain injury and progress to a state of wakefulness without awareness.

It is judged to be permanent after three months if induced nontraumatically. After 3 months, recovery is rare and life expectancy is approximately 2 to 5 years.

Patients in a persistent vegetative state do not feel pain, nor do they "suffer," says Michael De Georgia, MD, head of the neurology-neurosurgery intensive care unit at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation here.

Pain, as well as suffering, requires consciousness, which is lacking in a person in a persistent vegetative state, says Dr. De Georgia.

"Certainly these patients don't suffer," he adds. "Suffering is really that whole emotional aspect of pain: fear, anxiety, panic surrounding pain. You have to have consciousness to experience these emotions. So just as a person in a persistent vegetative state can't experience pain because of a lack of consciousness, they also don't suffer."
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If she feels no pain then there is no harm in trying to rehabilitate her. The husband wants her dead to inherit what's left of the 2.6 mil she received in the law suit.

Again, if she feels no pain, there is no rush to kill her to save her from her present condition. There is no harm to do what the parents want and the husband has forbidden for over 10 yrs, rehabilitate her!

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by NastyChannels

I didn´t know she can laughs and moves her eyes.

This is sad!

It's not voluntary movement...

"Schiavo's cerebral cortex has been completely destroyed, replaced by spinal fluid; Dr. Ron Cranford, a neurologist at the University of Minnesota assessed Schiavo's brain function in 2001 as part of a court-ordered assessment. He was quoted in Florida Today as saying "[Schiavo] has no electrical activity in her cerebral cortex on an EEG (electroencephalogram), and a CT (computerized tomography) scan showed massive atrophy in that region."

[LadyMischief]

If she's brain dead, it's not like she's aware that she's starving to death. She's BRAINDEAD! If this were a hundred years ago and nobody had the miracles of modern medicine, she'd already be dead and this would be a moot point. Just because we have the capabilities of keeping someone alive, should we? Eventually the cost filters down to the taxpayers, and let's be honest, all the family are doing is prolonging their own suffering. Even her husband said that she wouldn't have wanted to live that way. So now the court systems are tied up and taxpayers are paying so that her parents who refuse to let go can fight to keep her alive (against her own wishes and her husband's), and all it's going to do in the end is cause even MORE grief. What's better, to dwell in the past, or to live in the now and keep the memories of the past in your heart? It's a sad thing, but she should be left to rest.

[SinisterStudios]

Originally Posted by Relish XXX

I have the same view as you. If I was in that state then pull the plug and spend any money I have left on a huge piss up!

In that state, I bet youd still have hookers visit you every week

[benc]

I could see if she was on a breathing machine, but she can breathe. She just needs food and water to survive like anyone else.


The annoying thing is the people that want this girl to die so bad for no reason, are the same people 100% against killing people that rape and kill children.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

If she's brain dead, it's not like she's aware that she's starving to death. She's BRAINDEAD! If this were a hundred years ago and nobody had the miracles of modern medicine, she'd already be dead and this would be a moot point. Just because we have the capabilities of keeping someone alive, should we? Eventually the cost filters down to the taxpayers, and let's be honest, all the family are doing is prolonging their own suffering. Even her husband said that she wouldn't have wanted to live that way. So now the court systems are tied up and taxpayers are paying so that her parents who refuse to let go can fight to keep her alive (against her own wishes and her husband's), and all it's going to do in the end is cause even MORE grief. What's better, to dwell in the past, or to live in the now and keep the memories of the past in your heart? It's a sad thing, but she should be left to rest.

stop drinking the liberal kool aide.

The husband stopped medical care and rehab for her shortly after she won 2.6 million dollars in a law suit.
The parents wanted to continue rehab.
After the so called husband finds a girlfriend, and stands to inherit a couple million, he remembers her saying she didn't want to live in a coma.
There is no written evidence of this and no evidence that this wasn't just two people watching the "karen ann quinlan story" and one of them says, "I wouldn't want to live like this"

And in what world do we live where the parents who have nothing to gain are wrong to want to rehab her but the husband who will inherit millions, upon her death, is right?

[Spunky]

I wish they would just let this girl die in peace..American media sure beats you to death sometimes

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

If she feels no pain then there is no harm in trying to rehabilitate her. The husband wants her dead to inherit what's left of the 2.6 mil she received in the law suit.

Again, if she feels no pain, there is no rush to kill her to save her from her present condition. There is no harm to do what the parents want and the husband has forbidden for over 10 yrs, rehabilitate her!

I knew there would come a day you and I would be on the same wavelength about something

Actually, from what I've read there's not really much of the money left.
One of his attorneys alone got over a half-million of it.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by benc

I could see if she was on a breathing machine, but she can breathe. She just needs food and water to survive like anyone else.


The annoying thing is the people that want this girl to die so bad for no reason, are the same people 100% against killing people that rape and kill children.

yup.

not only that, the husband has forbidden them from letting her try to eat orally on her own.

she swallows her own saliva, there's a good chance she can swallow food.

The real crime here is all the treatment the so called husband stopped his wife from receiving.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by mardigras

I knew there would come a day you and I would be on the same wavelength about something

I'm amazed by this myself.

Originally Posted by mardigras

Actually, from what I've read there's not really much of the money left.
One of his attorneys alone got over a half-million of it.

however, 2.6million + the 700k he got is 3.3mil - 500k is still 2.8mil

at 5% interest, it makes 140k a year. not sure what it costs to keep her alive but I've also heard that medicare is footing the bill.

[titmowse]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

yup.

not only that, the husband has forbidden them from letting her try to eat orally on her own.

she swallows her own saliva, there's a good chance she can swallow food.

The real crime here is all the treatment the so called husband stopped his wife from receiving.

you are just so fucking wrong on this. i know you like to defend your little gang of rethugs but seriously, give up.

[LeeNoga]

Originally Posted by Furious_Female

She will suffer and she can't even communicate her pain to anyone. Breaks my heart.

They say with her having a damaged cerebral cortex, she cannot feel pain, and has no ability to think, or have emotions or thoughts.

I know, how do they know this, I dunno but after so many years and so many battles, I would think they are pretty confident of this.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by titmowse

you are just so fucking wrong on this. i know you like to defend your little gang of rethugs but seriously, give up.

I find it sad that you see this as a political thing.

We're talking about starving a woman to death.
There is plenty of evidence and testimony floating around to at least caste doubt on whats going on.
We won't even kill a criminal when there's this much doubt.

[Shooting_Manic]

Originally Posted by bluff

It's not sad at all, it's sad how some people cannot accept the ways of life. It's actually unbelievable how some people let their rational thinking go and be led by religious dictations. The judge has made a wise decision.

He is correct. Its a very sad story and no one wants to see this lady suffer. However, its also very scary that our government thinks they can walk in, pass new law just to satisfy the religous right. Government interevention in our personal lifes is NOT a good thing people and this was exactly what that was. As of right now, 21 judges of out 22 have shown that Terri was given her due process and EVERY avenue was gone over to make sure her right were protected. While we may not like that this poor women has to die, the fact remains that the law was upheld and our system, weather you think its right or wrong, still works.

Congress and the Religous Right needed to be bitch slapped for what they did and our Constitution did it yet again today. Its sad this ladies life was the test of it, but it would not have been if Ton Delay and those wacko religious right people didnt reinvent the system for their own political gain.

[titmowse]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I find it sad that you see this as a political thing.

We're talking about starving a woman to death.
There is plenty of evidence and testimony floating around to at least caste doubt on whats going on.
We won't even kill a criminal when there's this much doubt.

i don't see it as a political thing. your buddies tom delay and bill frist see it as a political thing.

i see it as personal thing that i had to live through and for the sake of whatever fondness i have for you i am done with this topic.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by mardigras

Have you examined her, Dr. messiah1?

Why has Michael Schiavo forbidden any video be shot of her the past 2 years? Wouldn't that help to dispell much of the misinformation and accusations in this case?

why are you sooo in denial of the fact that the courts and every doctor has agreed with the husband?

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I'm amazed by this myself.

I don't know if hell froze over, but I can report I haven't seen any flying pigs

Originally Posted by 12clicks

however, 2.6million + the 700k he got is 3.3mil - 500k is still 2.8mil

at 5% interest, it makes 140k a year. not sure what it costs to keep her alive but I've also heard that medicare is footing the bill.

According to this page there is less than $50,000 from the judgement monies left.

[mardigras]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

why are you sooo in denial of the fact that the courts and every doctor has agreed with the husband?

Not one of the courts have ever gone to see her in person for themselves, and I don't know where you got the erroneous impression that every doctor has agreed with the husband.

[KRL]

Originally Posted by Cash

This topic is really boring, it doesn't deserve to be main news on major news agencies ... (btw, schiavo in Italian means slave)

This is actually an extremely important legal case deciding who ultimately controls a person when they become incapacitated. We're joking around here quite a bit because we all think we are invincible. Terri wasn't born this way. None of us was born that way.

But tomorrow any of us could be in a car accident and end up like this. Who will decide for you? Your spouse? Or your parents?

I'd bet hardly anyone here has a liviing will addressing this point. Do you want the government to decide if your spouse says let you die, but your parents say keep you alive? That is why this case became so important in the news. Not only does it determine who gets to decide, it also will set legal precedent as to the power of the goverment over your life.

To say this case if boring is unfair to the case. It is etremely important as it goes to the basic "right to life" issues that conservatives hold dear to their hearts and half the population holds exactly opposite.

This is closely linked to the issue of what are the rights of an unborn fetus? What if the mother says I don't want this child, I'm getting and abortion, but the father to be says NO its half mine and I say let it live and give it to me? What if the government writes new laws that limit the decision making power of a couple to terminate a pregnency.

This is why cases like this are so critical. Their outcome affects all of us.

[Corona]

Originally Posted by KRL

This is actually an extremely important legal case deciding who ultimately controls a person when they become incapacitated.

This is why cases like this are so critical. Their outcome affects all of us.

There is nothing important about this case at all except to show how the media are a bunch of Lemmings.

This case has been litigated for 10 years. The husband gets to decided. Period. Case closed. Nothing new here. It is happening in every state every day.

The only thing new that affects us is how Congress is willing to interfere in our lives in the most crass way for political gain.