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Harmon · 05-03-2005, 07:08 AM

50 CJ's called TGPs

XxXotic · 05-03-2005, 07:17 AM

i send 90% to galleries.

Dirty Dane · 05-03-2005, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Slick

The thing about pure bookmarkers is that those people aren't the people that make you as much money because if they're coming back to your site daily and getting content 80%+ of the time, why the hell would they join up with a paysite ???

Its not about the bookmarkers, but WHY they bookmark your page. If you feed them with 50 new galleries every day...yes - bad for sales. But if they bookmark you because you are a good salesman with your website(s) - then bookmarkers are good.

I spoken to several surfers that come back and sign up to new paysites. Act like a salesman, don't tell them to leave

crockett · 05-03-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Slick

Well, I've been in the biz for over 10 years now, have 7 TGPs that do 1.2-1.4 million visitors per day and I earn $1,000-$1,500 per day, so I'd say that I know what I'm talking about.

Slick defiantly knows what he is doing he has some big one's.. last time I checked his sites were in what I call the high skim groups. However he seems to be making some money with them.

The Bravo media group is another bunch of sites that are high skim but they know what they are doing and are making money. I can't trade with any of them for the life of me because of productivity issues. However it seems to work for them.

My personal opinion is these sites are more CJ'ish than TGP'ish, mainly because of the high skim ratio's. However when looking at both Slick's and the Bravo group's sites, seems it can work out well. I guess it just depends on personal preference.

Dirty Dane · 05-03-2005, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Slick

Well, I've been in the biz for over 10 years now, have 7 TGPs that do 1.2-1.4 million visitors per day and I earn $1,000-$1,500 per day, so I'd say that I know what I'm talking about.

Over 1 million potential customers and only 1K+ per day? No fense - that is good traffic - but also waste, when you could make the same with far less traffic. It's really not that hard to make 100$ out of 10.000 visitors, if you play on the right strings

slapass · 05-03-2005, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Slick

The thing about pure bookmarkers is that those people aren't the people that make you as much money because if they're coming back to your site daily and getting content 80%+ of the time, why the hell would they join up with a paysite ???

I saw your follow up on this. But bookmarkers are pure surfers who just happen to start at your page. The quality of a bookmarker is higher since the bots do not do it. They still react the same way to a site they feel that they must see more of.

Alex From San Diego · 05-03-2005, 07:39 AM

I still want to know what "TGP's" he runs

xxxice · 05-03-2005, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

When you click on the thumbs and you get 4 trades and one gallery in the first 5 clicks?

Then they wonder why I kill the trade...

Not when you send 80% to gallery like me

xxxice · 05-03-2005, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by XxXotic

i send 90% to galleries.

Even better

sexysphere · 05-03-2005, 08:01 AM

Nowadays, its harder to grow a tgp and you cant start from 0 with a 90% skim, if you wan to grow quickly. And i prefer to have a 100k with 50% skim than a 7k with 90% skim.

xxxice · 05-03-2005, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Makingcoin

I send 90% to galleries on http://www.throatpokers.com/mgp/ let me know if you want to trade.

Good site I do

QuaWee · 05-03-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Slick

The thing about pure bookmarkers is that those people aren't the people that make you as much money because if they're coming back to your site daily and getting content 80%+ of the time, why the hell would they join up with a paysite ???

QuaWee · 05-03-2005, 08:20 AM

Slick, what TGP(s) do you run?

sandman! · 05-03-2005, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex From San Diego

I still want to know what "TGP's" he runs

only a tgp newbie does not know what sites slick runs.

BigRod · 05-03-2005, 08:23 AM

<-----always looking for new TGP's please post the names!

Nismo · 05-03-2005, 09:26 AM

slick owns thehun.net

zzgundamnzz · 05-03-2005, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Over 1 million potential customers and only 1K+ per day? No fense - that is good traffic - but also waste, when you could make the same with far less traffic. It's really not that hard to make 100$ out of 10.000 visitors, if you play on the right strings

Let me get this straight your busting his chops because he makes $365,000 - $547,500 a year plus with his TGPS?

triumph · 05-03-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Shooting_Manic

Yep, in a hurry to build their traffic, they dystroy the site and piss off the surfers from other tgps.

Slow and steady

thats why a few quality ones like that hun that dont trade traffic have great amounts of quality traffic that convert to sales!

zzgundamnzz · 05-03-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

When you click on the thumbs and you get 4 trades and one gallery in the first 5 clicks?

Then they wonder why I kill the trade...

I don't know maybe you should place 80% to galleries is bold text on your page. Hell you should close your auto signup page if your dealing with quality traffic.

Dirty Dane · 05-03-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by zzgundamnzz

Let me get this straight your busting his chops because he makes $365,000 - $547,500 a year plus with his TGPS?

Not because of what he make, but what he claims; That skimming is good.
Making 1000$ out of 1 million visitors....thats 0.001$ per visitor minus bandwidth costs and so on. Most TGP owners have less visitors per day, and if that ratio is called good, I cant really see the point in why the average TGP owner do what he do. Why build a site that way, when you can make 10 times more money another way?
Your reply illustrates exactly why this fails for most, because the big TGP owners says "look at what I make" (in total), everyone else use the big TGPs as motivation and so do those who develop and sell the scripts.
Problem is just that the amount of porn-surfers on internet is limited and everyone can't make big money.

JoeA · 05-03-2005, 10:38 AM

I have a few affiliates who run so called TGP's and on Sunday I took a look at one of them. He has a special page called indexclean.htm where all he has are links to my FHG and to another pay site. I tried one of the links to my galleries and it took 10 attempts to get to it. Considering this guy lists over 25 of my galleries, I would think Joe Surfer would get pissed off PDQ...

Thank god got people like Tommy, Shemp and Richards Realm to name just three of the good guys I am lucky to work with when I am in the mood to submit a gallery or two myself.. At least the surfer gets to where he wants...

How they can make money when all the surfer gets most of the time is other tgp's/links sites I have no idea..

Slick · 05-03-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zzgundamnzz

Let me get this straight your busting his chops because he makes $365,000 - $547,500 a year plus with his TGPS?

Right on

Thanks for the comment

Dirty Dane, I'm not saying that skimming is good, but with my setup, I'm doing well with the skim. If it was up to me, I'd have my skim to galleries set at 90%, but from a traffic aspect, it'd take a while to grow it unless you blast the hell outta it with feeder traffic for a while.

As far as your comments about making $1000 off of 1 million visitors goes, How much total traffic do you have and how much do you make off of it. I'd rather make $1000 off of 1 million visitors than $400 off of 200K visitors.

I do honestly believe that it's the first time visitor to your site that's gonna give you the best shot at making money, not the person that comes to it day after day after day. If you wanna believe differently, then that's fine with me.

In time, I'd like to send more to galleries because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that more traffic to galleries equals more sales, but it's not easy to do when you're used to the traffic that you're getting. I guess that on the plus side, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to take a high traffic site and increase the traffic to galleries than it'd be to try to start out a new site with higher gallery %s.

I'm not here to start shit, I expressed my opinion and it seems to have stirred people up. I'm doing excellent here with my methods, if you're doing good with your methods, that's great to hear, I'm always happy to hear about others making money in this biz because we're all in this together

Slick · 05-03-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sexysphere

Nowadays, its harder to grow a tgp and you cant start from 0 with a 90% skim, if you wan to grow quickly. And i prefer to have a 100k with 50% skim than a 7k with 90% skim.

My thoughts exactly

crockett · 05-03-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick

Right on

Thanks for the comment

I'm not here to start shit, I expressed my opinion and it seems to have stirred people up. I'm doing excellent here with my methods, if you're doing good with your methods, that's great to hear, I'm always happy to hear about others making money in this biz because we're all in this together

Na Slick I don't think your starting shit.. I know your sites and I wish I had the amount of traffic you have. I'd love it if I could trade with you because of the amount of traffic you have, however those kind of sites never work with mine..

You are clearly playing the numbers game and it seems to be working well for you. My main gripe with the start of this post, I guess was more about people that can't read.

On my trade page I have this.. "At least 70% to galleries No more 60% and lower" yet when ever I leave it open, it's almost guaranteed that at least 1 to 2 sites a day will sign up that skims in the 50% range.

See myself I'm all about that productivity. I don't keep a trade that isn't productive on my sites. I don't like doing unique trades, especially when their traffic doesn't click, which is typically the case for me on high skim trades.

The main problem I see is everyone and their brother is caught up on having a 200k a day site. They are unwilling to take a little time to grow it.. so they skim at 50%,40% and I've even seen 20% to make a big bandwidth burner. The sites might grow very fast but the traffic is crap IMO.

I've seen it a few times, I'll have a good trade going, then next thing you know the guy is trading with one of these big high skim sites that takes over the top list. Next thing you know, the trade goes to crap because the traffic from the bandwidth burner doesn't click through. Seems like more and more of these sites are popping up everyday and diluting the traffic pool of quality traffic.

webgurl · 05-03-2005, 12:08 PM

I'm looking for more movie trades 1k and up 75% to the galleries 25% to trades
www.vidsmania.com
Hey Crockett , I think you hit me up yesterday I was going to ask you for trade but forgot.
icq 137469529
[email protected]

Dirty Dane · 05-03-2005, 12:10 PM

I know that what bring most money on the bank account in the end, is what count. But that's not the same thing as saying that is the way to do things. Only few succeed on to a higher level. You are a good example of that, but the majority is not. That's the hole point.
My guess is that the amount of skimming TGPs has reached the limit, and the only way to get more surfers into those networks, is by "stealing" from the clean sites. But that would be difficult if the clean sites stops trading? It's a bad circle. I followed the development for years now, and its really disturbing. Just take a look at the trade forum and you see what I mean. Everyone is focused on PR and skim percents. Personally I dont bother about others, but I'm not really happy about trading with skimming sites. I prefer 10000 happy surfers to my sites, than 20000 pissed ones

crockett · 05-03-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by webgurl

I'm looking for more movie trades 1k and up 75% to the galleries 25% to trades
www.vidsmania.com
Hey Crockett , I think you hit me up yesterday I was going to ask you for trade but forgot.
icq 137469529
[email protected]

yea that site I was looking to trade with is a new MGP.. It can't trade 1k a day yet. However I think I'll be hitting you up in a week or so because it's steadly growing.

fireorange · 05-03-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

My guess is that the amount of skimming TGPs has reached the limit, and the only way to get more surfers into those networks, is by "stealing" from the clean sites. But that would be difficult if the clean sites stops trading? It's a bad circle. I followed the development for years now, and its really disturbing.

Please, shut the fuck up.

Dirty Dane · 05-03-2005, 12:19 PM

Just a comment about surfers. They get smarter and the demand for surfer-friendly browsers/ads is increasing.
A bird told me that they are developing an addon, like the popup blocks, that will identify blind linkings and skimmings. When implemented as a part of the browser, that will be the end of skimming TGPs as we know them today.

Dirty Dane · 05-03-2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fireorange

Please, shut the fuck up.

I really love constructive arguments

fireorange · 05-03-2005, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

A bird told me that they are developing an addon, like the popup blocks, that will identify blind linkings and skimmings. When implemented as a part of the browser, that will be the end of skimming TGPs as we know them today.

http://www.tgpextractor.com/
http://fetchgals.sourceforge.net/

Please, shut the fuck up.

zzgundamnzz · 05-03-2005, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Just a comment about surfers. They get smarter and the demand for surfer-friendly browsers/ads is increasing.
A bird told me that they are developing an addon, like the popup blocks, that will identify blind linkings and skimmings. When implemented as a part of the browser, that will be the end of skimming TGPs as we know them today.

Wouldn't work well. It would identify as everyone using a trade script as a blind link:
They would have to make a script to rip the url from every single trade script. People like to encode their links these days so people don't have an easy time stealing there galleries. As you know even on the skim free TGPs links are still connected via the trade script. I would say that wouldn't work.

Dirty Dane · 05-03-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fireorange

http://www.tgpextractor.com/
http://fetchgals.sourceforge.net/

Please, shut the fuck up.

Surfers knows it all. Please post something new

Dirty Dane · 05-03-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zzgundamnzz

Wouldn't work well. It would identify as everyone using a trade script as a blind link:
They would have to make a script to rip the url from every single trade script. People like to encode their links these days so people don't have an easy time stealing there galleries. As you know even on the skim free TGPs links are still connected via the trade script. I would say that wouldn't work.

I have no idea how that would work either. I could imagine something that stops the load, if the url dont equal the linked one. ?

fireorange · 05-03-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Surfers knows it all.

Sure....

fireorange · 05-03-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I have no idea how that would work either. I could imagine something that stops the load, if the url dont equal the linked one. ?

I told you to shut the fuck up didn't I?

fireorange · 05-03-2005, 12:37 PM

The rest of the idiots posted and left this thread, guess you're sticking around to own yourself even more.

Dirty Dane · 05-03-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fireorange

I told you to shut the fuck up didn't I?

No one forced you to be here.
www.thehun.com

fireorange · 05-03-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

No one forced you to be here.
www.thehun.com

Please click here:

stu19 · 05-03-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick

Right on

Thanks for the comment

........

Hi Slick,

Could I trouble you to send me an email?
[email protected]
thanks,
Stu

Za Ha · 05-03-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex From San Diego

Name your TGP's please. I'll check them out.

If you dunno who Slick is then you know nothing about tgps.
Skimming a lot to galleries is impossible nowadays unless you have very DEEP pockets to feed your sites for a long time.

STFU about sites that skim 50% cause in the end its all bout how much $ you make from it.

zzgundamnzz · 05-03-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I have no idea how that would work either. I could imagine something that stops the load, if the url dont equal the linked one. ?

Surfers would shut it off because it would be so inaccurate.

For Banks they'd shut it off.

When they try to shop they gotta shut it off.

When they try to download stuff they gotta shut it off (most places have redirects for anti-leech protection)

When they read their email they gotta shut it off.

If they see a picture they really like they'll shut it off thinking that this is a piece of crap program. It doesn't work when I surf so I'll try it on this site.

Dirty Dane · 05-03-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fireorange

Please click here:

fireorange
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2005

oh - I dont have time for this bullshit. Have fun.

crockett · 05-03-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fireorange

Please click here:

oh man I hope that means a ban

Wiggles · 05-03-2005, 12:48 PM

even at the start i just purchase traffic, only force to one site at a time so that galelries will popup mainly.

fireorange · 05-03-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

oh - I dont have time for this bullshit. Have fun.

Enjoy your new forum

sandman! · 05-03-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I know that what bring most money on the bank account in the end, is what count. But that's not the same thing as saying that is the way to do things. Only few succeed on to a higher level. You are a good example of that, but the majority is not. That's the hole point.
My guess is that the amount of skimming TGPs has reached the limit, and the only way to get more surfers into those networks, is by "stealing" from the clean sites. But that would be difficult if the clean sites stops trading? It's a bad circle. I followed the development for years now, and its really disturbing. Just take a look at the trade forum and you see what I mean. Everyone is focused on PR and skim percents. Personally I dont bother about others, but I'm not really happy about trading with skimming sites. I prefer 10000 happy surfers to my sites, than 20000 pissed ones

LOL

you crack me up.

nmcog · 05-05-2005, 10:30 AM

Interesting...

BigRod · 05-05-2005, 10:41 AM

Bookmarks are indeed great from traffic but does anyone REALLY know what kind of conversion ratios you get from bookmark traffic as opposed to new traffiic.

SmokeyTheBear · 09-15-2005, 12:38 AM

why not..

05-03-2005, 07:08 AM	#51
Harmon ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ) Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 20,010	50 CJ's called TGPs __________________ [email protected]

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sexysphere Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Everywhere behind you Posts: 769	Nowadays, its harder to grow a tgp and you cant start from 0 with a 90% skim, if you wan to grow quickly. And i prefer to have a 100k with 50% skim than a 7k with 90% skim. __________________ PaRaDiGm

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05-03-2005, 10:38 AM	#71
JoeA Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: London Posts: 568	Crocket... I love you.. I have a few affiliates who run so called TGP's and on Sunday I took a look at one of them. He has a special page called indexclean.htm where all he has are links to my FHG and to another pay site. I tried one of the links to my galleries and it took 10 attempts to get to it. Considering this guy lists over 25 of my galleries, I would think Joe Surfer would get pissed off PDQ... Thank god got people like Tommy, Shemp and Richards Realm to name just three of the good guys I am lucky to work with when I am in the mood to submit a gallery or two myself.. At least the surfer gets to where he wants... How they can make money when all the surfer gets most of the time is other tgp's/links sites I have no idea.. __________________ www.saharagetsdirty.com/ www.ravishingindians.com/ www.anglo-indian-girls.com/

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05-03-2005, 12:10 PM	#76
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	I know that what bring most money on the bank account in the end, is what count. But that's not the same thing as saying that is the way to do things. Only few succeed on to a higher level. You are a good example of that, but the majority is not. That's the hole point. My guess is that the amount of skimming TGPs has reached the limit, and the only way to get more surfers into those networks, is by "stealing" from the clean sites. But that would be difficult if the clean sites stops trading? It's a bad circle. I followed the development for years now, and its really disturbing. Just take a look at the trade forum and you see what I mean. Everyone is focused on PR and skim percents. Personally I dont bother about others, but I'm not really happy about trading with skimming sites. I prefer 10000 happy surfers to my sites, than 20000 pissed ones

05-03-2005, 12:19 PM	#79
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Just a comment about surfers. They get smarter and the demand for surfer-friendly browsers/ads is increasing. A bird told me that they are developing an addon, like the popup blocks, that will identify blind linkings and skimmings. When implemented as a part of the browser, that will be the end of skimming TGPs as we know them today.

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fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	The rest of the idiots posted and left this thread, guess you're sticking around to own yourself even more.

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BigRod Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 3,685	Bookmarks are indeed great from traffic but does anyone REALLY know what kind of conversion ratios you get from bookmark traffic as opposed to new traffiic. __________________ Rod Macdonald Mainstream Ad Agency Owner ICQ: 607306

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