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50 CJ's called TGPs
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![]() I spoken to several surfers that come back and sign up to new paysites. Act like a salesman, don't tell them to leave ![]() |
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![]() The Bravo media group is another bunch of sites that are high skim but they know what they are doing and are making money. I can't trade with any of them for the life of me because of productivity issues. However it seems to work for them. My personal opinion is these sites are more CJ'ish than TGP'ish, mainly because of the high skim ratio's. However when looking at both Slick's and the Bravo group's sites, seems it can work out well. I guess it just depends on personal preference.
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I still want to know what "TGP's" he runs
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Nowadays, its harder to grow a tgp and you cant start from 0 with a 90% skim, if you wan to grow quickly. And i prefer to have a 100k with 50% skim than a 7k with 90% skim.
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Slick, what TGP(s) do you run?
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<-----always looking for new TGP's please post the names!
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slick owns thehun.net
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Making 1000$ out of 1 million visitors....thats 0.001$ per visitor minus bandwidth costs and so on. Most TGP owners have less visitors per day, and if that ratio is called good, I cant really see the point in why the average TGP owner do what he do. Why build a site that way, when you can make 10 times more money another way? Your reply illustrates exactly why this fails for most, because the big TGP owners says "look at what I make" (in total), everyone else use the big TGPs as motivation and so do those who develop and sell the scripts. Problem is just that the amount of porn-surfers on internet is limited and everyone can't make big money. ![]() |
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Crocket... I love you..
I have a few affiliates who run so called TGP's and on Sunday I took a look at one of them. He has a special page called indexclean.htm where all he has are links to my FHG and to another pay site. I tried one of the links to my galleries and it took 10 attempts to get to it. Considering this guy lists over 25 of my galleries, I would think Joe Surfer would get pissed off PDQ...
Thank god got people like Tommy, Shemp and Richards Realm to name just three of the good guys I am lucky to work with when I am in the mood to submit a gallery or two myself.. At least the surfer gets to where he wants... How they can make money when all the surfer gets most of the time is other tgp's/links sites I have no idea.. |
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![]() ![]() Dirty Dane, I'm not saying that skimming is good, but with my setup, I'm doing well with the skim. If it was up to me, I'd have my skim to galleries set at 90%, but from a traffic aspect, it'd take a while to grow it unless you blast the hell outta it with feeder traffic for a while. As far as your comments about making $1000 off of 1 million visitors goes, How much total traffic do you have and how much do you make off of it. I'd rather make $1000 off of 1 million visitors than $400 off of 200K visitors. I do honestly believe that it's the first time visitor to your site that's gonna give you the best shot at making money, not the person that comes to it day after day after day. If you wanna believe differently, then that's fine with me. In time, I'd like to send more to galleries because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that more traffic to galleries equals more sales, but it's not easy to do when you're used to the traffic that you're getting. I guess that on the plus side, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to take a high traffic site and increase the traffic to galleries than it'd be to try to start out a new site with higher gallery %s. I'm not here to start shit, I expressed my opinion and it seems to have stirred people up. I'm doing excellent here with my methods, if you're doing good with your methods, that's great to hear, I'm always happy to hear about others making money in this biz because we're all in this together ![]() |
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You are clearly playing the numbers game and it seems to be working well for you. My main gripe with the start of this post, I guess was more about people that can't read. ![]() On my trade page I have this.. "At least 70% to galleries No more 60% and lower" yet when ever I leave it open, it's almost guaranteed that at least 1 to 2 sites a day will sign up that skims in the 50% range. See myself I'm all about that productivity. I don't keep a trade that isn't productive on my sites. I don't like doing unique trades, especially when their traffic doesn't click, which is typically the case for me on high skim trades. The main problem I see is everyone and their brother is caught up on having a 200k a day site. They are unwilling to take a little time to grow it.. so they skim at 50%,40% and I've even seen 20% to make a big bandwidth burner. The sites might grow very fast but the traffic is crap IMO. I've seen it a few times, I'll have a good trade going, then next thing you know the guy is trading with one of these big high skim sites that takes over the top list. Next thing you know, the trade goes to crap because the traffic from the bandwidth burner doesn't click through. Seems like more and more of these sites are popping up everyday and diluting the traffic pool of quality traffic.
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I'm looking for more movie trades 1k and up 75% to the galleries 25% to trades
www.vidsmania.com Hey Crockett , I think you hit me up yesterday I was going to ask you for trade but forgot. icq 137469529 [email protected] |
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I know that what bring most money on the bank account in the end, is what count. But that's not the same thing as saying that is the way to do things. Only few succeed on to a higher level. You are a good example of that, but the majority is not. That's the hole point.
My guess is that the amount of skimming TGPs has reached the limit, and the only way to get more surfers into those networks, is by "stealing" from the clean sites. But that would be difficult if the clean sites stops trading? It's a bad circle. I followed the development for years now, and its really disturbing. Just take a look at the trade forum and you see what I mean. Everyone is focused on PR and skim percents. Personally I dont bother about others, but I'm not really happy about trading with skimming sites. I prefer 10000 happy surfers to my sites, than 20000 pissed ones ![]() |
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Just a comment about surfers. They get smarter and the demand for surfer-friendly browsers/ads is increasing.
A bird told me that they are developing an addon, like the popup blocks, that will identify blind linkings and skimmings. When implemented as a part of the browser, that will be the end of skimming TGPs as we know them today. |
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They would have to make a script to rip the url from every single trade script. People like to encode their links these days so people don't have an easy time stealing there galleries. As you know even on the skim free TGPs links are still connected via the trade script. I would say that wouldn't work. |
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The rest of the idiots posted and left this thread, guess you're sticking around to own yourself even more.
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Skimming a lot to galleries is impossible nowadays unless you have very DEEP pockets to feed your sites for a long time. STFU about sites that skim 50% cause in the end its all bout how much $ you make from it. |
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For Banks they'd shut it off. When they try to shop they gotta shut it off. When they try to download stuff they gotta shut it off (most places have redirects for anti-leech protection) When they read their email they gotta shut it off. If they see a picture they really like they'll shut it off thinking that this is a piece of crap program. It doesn't work when I surf so I'll try it on this site. |
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even at the start i just purchase traffic, only force to one site at a time so that galelries will popup mainly.
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Bookmarks are indeed great from traffic but does anyone REALLY know what kind of conversion ratios you get from bookmark traffic as opposed to new traffiic.
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