Why the fuck does Bush want to have that vegetable lady plugged back in?

[Paraskass]

I'm sick of hearing about this shit.

That woman should have been dead 15 years ago. She should no be alive. I totally understand her husband, and I do not believe she would of wanted to be kept alive the way she has. Hell I wouldn't.

Why does Bush want to plug her back in?

[tony286]

this is our tax dollars at work , also they love this because it takes the focus off the important things. If I was a republican I would be pissed off, the small government people seem to be getting bigger and bigger.

[MetaMan]

her parents should be stood outside and shot for their selfishness.

even IF there was brain activity, as a human being you do not want to be confined in a fucking chair incapable of speech or any movement for 15 YEARS!

remember here 15 YEARS, imagine being in your computer chair with no movement for that long! i really cant believe this issue is being debated.

[websiex]

It is pretty ignorant of you guys to say she should be dead. Although she isn't alive and well, she is alive, and life should be held of some value.

It is also funny how you come on here and blame president Bush like it is all his work, if you didn't read, the senate passed this and Bush is just going to sign it. I am not a Bush fan myself, but it is always funny when stupid people come on here blaming him for every problem in this country, and every problem in their own personal lives, when in reality he has nothing to do with anything at all.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by websiex

It is pretty ignorant of you guys to say she should be dead.

ignorant? are you fucking kidding me?

seriously sit in a chair for 15 years, then come back and post. IF she does even have brain activity she is probly thinking:

"KILL ME ALREADY!"

[FunForOne]

I have mixed feelings about the deal. It reminds me of the importance to have a living will.


I do however find Irony in the deomcratic party wanting her to die because of her lack of quality of life while they spend millions to protect the life of a child molestor who is sentenced to spend 40 more years in a 6 x 10 foot jail cell.


Sometimes they just seem to be chasing their tails.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by websiex

It is pretty ignorant of you guys to say she should be dead. Although she isn't alive and well, she is alive, and life should be held of some value.

It is also funny how you come on here and blame president Bush like it is all his work, if you didn't read, the senate passed this and Bush is just going to sign it. I am not a Bush fan myself, but it is always funny when stupid people come on here blaming him for every problem in this country, and every problem in their own personal lives, when in reality he has nothing to do with anything at all.

Stupid ? You really think if his brother hadnt started with Terri's law it would of went this far? Your fucking kidding right? Also when have you heard everyone ever say if I become a vegatable let me die? I have never heard anyone say let me be a prisoner in my own body and let me waste away in a bed for 40 yrs. So I can serve some selfish need you have not to let go.

[smack]

because it wouldn't be 'christian' to let her die.

[Paraskass]

Originally Posted by websiex

It is pretty ignorant of you guys to say she should be dead. Although she isn't alive and well, she is alive, and life should be held of some value.

It is also funny how you come on here and blame president Bush like it is all his work, if you didn't read, the senate passed this and Bush is just going to sign it. I am not a Bush fan myself, but it is always funny when stupid people come on here blaming him for every problem in this country, and every problem in their own personal lives, when in reality he has nothing to do with anything at all.

The point is, they did not say lets kill her.

They said lets unplug her, and if she dies it was meant to be.
It's not like waiting for somebody to wake out of a coma. She is not going to get better.

Bush wants to kill perfectly healthy people (death penalty) but he wants to save people that have no hope.

I just don't get it.

[Doc911]

My wife knows not to put me on a fucking machine to keep me alive. I totaly agree with the DNR option. If I get in that possition let me die. I don't want to live as a vegetable....

Unless its a cuccumber under Nicole kidmans bed... <wink>

[After Shock Media]

Hey all that equipment uses up a lot of energy each day, figure that out over last ten years plus the given chance of another 10-20 and well you conspiracy nuts can figure the rest out

[tony286]

Originally Posted by smack

because it wouldn't be 'christian' to let her die.

If christian believe there is a heaven and all its glory why do they fight so hard not to go?

[woj]

Originally Posted by Lord of the fungi

Hey all that equipment uses up a lot of energy each day, figure that out over last ten years plus the given chance of another 10-20 and well you conspiracy nuts can figure the rest out

The real cost is that that equipment could have been used to save others that actually have hope. It is probably the case that others have received lower quality care, because certain equipment, doctor or some other resource was used on her instead of helping others.

[DarkJedi]

Keep the economy out of my news Shiavo is what is relevant to my life.

Those dicks better keep the news on this vegetable lady or Jackson. I don't won't my time wasted on trivial spew like layoffs, deficits, falling dollar, etc. The news must remain focused on what has an effect on my life, Michael Jackson and Shiavo.

[Hornydog4cooter]

Originally Posted by websiex

It is pretty ignorant of you guys to say she should be dead. Although she isn't alive and well, she is alive, and life should be held of some value.

It is also funny how you come on here and blame president Bush like it is all his work, if you didn't read, the senate passed this and Bush is just going to sign it. I am not a Bush fan myself, but it is always funny when stupid people come on here blaming him for every problem in this country, and every problem in their own personal lives, when in reality he has nothing to do with anything at all.

First of all the laws have always givin the husband/wife to do feel what they feel best. Now since this has become such a high profile case everyone wants to step in. This happens all across the county to thousands of people a year. Why all of a sudden everyone wants this stop now? You want to talk about ignorant? Do you know that the congress wants the poor lady to come and testify in front of them. I have been follwing this for the last few weeks since its only a few blocks from my house. You should see the wack jobs hanging around out side. Im not saying i agree with the husbands decision or not. But i will say he is the boundrys of the law and he is not doing nothing illegal.

[websiex]

Bush wants to kill perfectly healthy people (death penalty) but he wants to save people that have no hope.

Majority of America supports the death penalty. Grats on blaming Bush again though for America's problems.
--
As for the people saying sit in a computer chair for 15 years, that is like saying sit in a wheel chair for 15 years, but people do it. Do you think Christopher Reeves should have been point blank shot in the face for being unable to move at all? I bet you do, don't you? Look at the life he lived, it wasn't pretty, but he lived it. He made the best of it.

As for this Terri woman, it is obviously a different case than sitting in a chair for 15 years, she is "brain damaged", so I don't know what should come out of this, it isn't my decision. This is a pretty big judgement for the United States, and giving the Supreme Court a bit more time to decide is a good idea before just setting shit in stone.

Anyway, a lot of retards in this thread with no moral thinking standards, standard day on the internet.

[Stamen]

Originally Posted by websiex

It is pretty ignorant of you guys to say she should be dead. Although she isn't alive and well, she is alive, and life should be held of some value.

It is also funny how you come on here and blame president Bush like it is all his work, if you didn't read, the senate passed this and Bush is just going to sign it. I am not a Bush fan myself, but it is always funny when stupid people come on here blaming him for every problem in this country, and every problem in their own personal lives, when in reality he has nothing to do with anything at all.

It isn't all his work, but Bush does have veto power here. So if he didn't want to see her plugged back in, he could just not sign the paper.

That's one of the checks and balances that the Constitution affords for when Congress tries to pull some crazy shit like this.

[websiex]

It isn't all his work, but Bush does have veto power here. So if he didn't want to see her plugged back in, he could just not sign the paper.

That would be a very very very very bad political move to pull the plug when he is supposed to be compassionate.

[L0stMind]

i just want to point out that a wheelchair is vastly different from confined to a bed with no movement for 15 years.

with a wheelchair, you are still moving, thinking, etc - there is a decent quality of life there.... in a bed unable to move or eat on your own? can you really compare these two things?

[theking]

Originally Posted by woj

The real cost is that that equipment could have been used to save others that actually have hope. It is probably the case that others have received lower quality care, because certain equipment, doctor or some other resource was used on her instead of helping others.

There is not any equipment other than a feeding tube...for water and food. She is not on life support systems.

If it is true...as the parents state...that she has not had any therapy in the past fifteen years...and if it is true that therapy could improve her condition to the point that she could regain speech and the ability to feed herself...as the parents claim...my question would be why.

I suspect that the parents are being less than honest in their claims...as I suspect that if their claims are true...some judge out of the 19 judges...or some doctor would have ordered therapy years ago.

If in fact therapy would have and still can improve her condition...and she has been denied said therapy...then this would be a horrible travesty...and some heads should roll...medical heads and/or judges heads and/or the husbands head.

I personally hope that she gets a federal court review...just so the truth come be brought out...once and for all.

[eddie-executive]

Originally Posted by Paraskass

The point is, they did not say lets kill her.

They said lets unplug her, and if she dies it was meant to be.
It's not like waiting for somebody to wake out of a coma. She is not going to get better.

Bush wants to kill perfectly healthy people (death penalty) but he wants to save people that have no hope.

I just don't get it.

So these criminals have more hope at life than her?
Talk about tax dollars being wasted lets give these criminals 3 meals a day, cable tv and anything else. Criminals should be spared life because they are healthy? wtf

Yea yea kill the vegetable lady shes such a threat to the world.

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by theking

There is not any equipment other than a feeding tube...for water and food. She is not on life support systems.

If it is true...as the parents state...that she has not had any therapy in the past fifteen years...and if it is true that therapy could improve her condition to the point that she could regain speech and the ability to feed herself...as the parents claim...my question would be why.

I suspect that the parents are being less than honest in their claims...as I suspect that if their claims are true...some judge out of the 19 judges...or some doctor would have ordered therapy years ago.

If in fact therapy would have and still can improve her condition...and she has been denied said therapy...then this would be a horrible travesty...and some heads should roll...medical heads and/or judges heads and/or the husbands head.

I personally hope that she gets a federal court review...just so the truth come be brought out...once and for all.

I think two things are happening with this case.

1) The republican party is doing this to draw out the democrat fringe and allow the country to see them on the negative side of a challenge like this. Whether they are right or wrong, they are fighting for someone to die, something that is opposite of their core values. It confuses the public about their values.

2) I believe this is part of a bigger battle. What precendence will this set? Right or wrong?

Consider similiar situations and who else will use "mercy death" defense.

[cambaby]

Starve someone to death? When her parents WANT to take care of her? Why doesnt this husband divorce her? Also remember she never ever specified in WRITING what she wanted done in the case of a medical condition like she is now, it was all HEARSAY. Give me a fucking break.

[theking]

Originally Posted by FunForOne

I think two things are happening with this case.

1) The republican party is doing this to draw out the democrat fringe and allow the country to see them on the negative side of a challenge like this. Whether they are right or wrong, they are fighting for someone to die, something that is opposite of their core values. It confuses the public about their values.

2) I believe this is part of a bigger battle. What precendence will this set? Right or wrong?

Consider similiar situations and who else will use "mercy death" defense.

Anytime Congress becomes involved in anything...politics come into play. I am not satisifed at this point that she will get a review by a Federal Court...because many...Democrats...as well as Republicans...as well as law professors...are saying that the intervention by Congress is unconstitutional and the Fereral Court will not allow their action to stand.

For myself I hope that she does get a review by a Federal Court as maybe the truth about her condition may be thourougly investigated and made clear to all.

[uno]

Originally Posted by websiex

That would be a very very very very bad political move to pull the plug when he is supposed to be compassionate.

Since when is Bush compassionate?

Anyway... It's her husband's legal choice. Her friends had testified to her wishes. A court ruled in favor of the husband and an appellate court has upheld that ruling. It's his choice based on her wishes.

This serves as another perfect wedge issue to drive americans further apart which is why it gets so much coverage and how W stirred up way more votes than previously in this past election via Karl Rove.

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by theking

Anytime Congress becomes involved in anything...politics come into play. I am not satisifed at this point that she will get a review by a Federal Court...because many...Democrats...as well as Republicans...as well as law professors...are saying that the intervention by Congress is unconstitutional and the Fereral Court will not allow their action to stand.

For myself I hope that she does get a review by a Federal Court as maybe the truth about her condition may be thourougly investigated and made clear to all.

thats a big point, nobody really knows anything until her situation can be studied.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by cambaby

Starve someone to death? When her parents WANT to take care of her? Why doesnt this husband divorce her? Also remember she never ever specified in WRITING what she wanted done in the case of a medical condition like she is now, it was all HEARSAY. Give me a fucking break.

Because when you truly love someone ,you want to follow their wishes. Its not money he was offered 10 million to sign over guardship , he turned it down. The parents are being selfish. The doctors already said she is brain dead . A feeding tube is keeping someone alive by artifical means. With all thats going wrong in the world ,you really want your tax dollars going to this ??? The right is show boating, they didnt give a shit about the 24 people that were found to have died of torture in iraq prisons last week.What about their lives people not proven guilty of anything. the sheep were too busy watching michael jackson and now this. This getting involved in this sets a very bad tone people wake the fuck up

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by uno

This serves as another perfect wedge issue to drive americans further apart

I love how the democrats lost two elections progressively worse then bash the president for driving people away.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by uno

Since when is Bush compassionate?

Anyway... It's her husband's legal choice. Her friends had testified to her wishes. A court ruled in favor of the husband and an appellate court has upheld that ruling. It's his choice based on her wishes.

This serves as another perfect wedge issue to drive americans further apart which is why it gets so much coverage and how W stirred up way more votes than previously in this past election via Karl Rove.

Yep they love these issues it gets the sheep to vote against their own self interests.

[cambaby]

STARVE TO DEATH - Does anyone have a fucking clue what that means?

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by cambaby

STARVE TO DEATH - Does anyone have a fucking clue what that means?

I doubt it would be comfortable.

[uno]

Originally Posted by FunForOne

I love how the democrats lost two elections progressively worse then bash the president for driving people away.

I wasn't bashing anyone for it. It's a brilliant political move by Rove. Remeber, he's going to be a "uniter and not a divider". Thats probably his most hilarious properly spoken statement ever.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by tony404

The parents are being selfish.

Would you starve your daughter to death?

[xclusive]

I think anybody using her for a political tool should be thrown out of office

[tony286]

Originally Posted by cambaby

Would you starve your daughter to death?

She is a vegetable and they know like the husband knows she wouldnt of wanted this , the doctors already said with her lack of brain activity she will feel nothing. Your thinking like locking a perfectly healthy person in a room and let them starve thats not the case. If you really believe in god and that she is going to a better place where she will be truly free. Then I would do it for the love of my daughter. Also you dont want the government getting involved like this , Im telling you. Trust me on this one.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by websiex

Majority of America supports the death penalty. Grats on blaming Bush again though for America's problems.

Majority of Americans also support abortion, doesnt stop Bush and the conservatives from trying to make it illegal. Majority of Americans also support the legalization of marijuana, I don't see Bush trying to legalize it. Bush could give a flying fuck what the majority wants, only what Rove, Cheney, and Pat Robertson wants.

[eddie-executive]

Tax dollars

Lets not complain about the prisons being loaded up wasting tax dollars though.
When it comes to human life i think ill not worry about the $10 a year i pay for her to live or whatever it is.

This is coming from people who cant appreciate the simple things in life because their whole life is based on material things.

What if you were the person that had to pull the feeding tube would you? I know you wouldn't.

[Myst]

you guys remember that her parents want her alive right?

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by tony404

Also you dont want the government getting involved like this , Im telling you. Trust me on this one.

Dont you think this would be setting a horrible precendence for similiar and not so similiar situations?

Again, I'm on the fence about this one. I'm just not sure about all the motives of the people in her family.

I just wonder what is the next logical step of "mercy killing" or "unauthorized assisted suicides"??

[tony286]

Originally Posted by eddie-executive

Tax dollars

Lets not complain about the prisons being loaded up wasting tax dollars though.
When it comes to human life i think ill not worry about the $10 a year i pay for her to live or whatever it is.

This is coming from people who cant appreciate the simple things in life because their whole life is based on material things.

What if you were the person that had to pull the feeding tube would you? I know you wouldn't.

If that was my wifes wishes I would like she knows my wishes. We also have living wills and medical power of attorneys to protect our wishes if one of us gets sick. Everyone should have one , they cost nothing to do .

[theking]

Originally Posted by tony404

Because when you truly love someone ,you want to follow their wishes. Its not money he was offered 10 million to sign over guardship , he turned it down. The parents are being selfish. The doctors already said she is brain dead . A feeding tube is keeping someone alive by artifical means. With all thats going wrong in the world ,you really want your tax dollars going to this ??? The right is show boating, they didnt give a shit about the 24 people that were found to have died of torture in iraq prisons last week.What about their lives people not proven guilty of anything. the sheep were too busy watching michael jackson and now this. This getting involved in this sets a very bad tone people wake the fuck up

It is my understanding that the "10 million" offer was/is BS. I am not aware of any doctor saying that she is brain dead and from the videos of her you do not have to be a doctor to visibly see that she is not brain dead. There are hundreds of thousands of people that cannot feed themselves...or cleanse themselves...or speak...old folks homes are full of them...but they are allowed to live. It is my understanding that tax dollars are not paying for her care but a 2.6 million dollar award from a law suit for her care is being used to pay for her care.

[spunkmaster]

Originally Posted by uno

Since when is Bush compassionate?

Anyway... It's her husband's legal choice. Her friends had testified to her wishes. A court ruled in favor of the husband and an appellate court has upheld that ruling. It's his choice based on her wishes.

This serves as another perfect wedge issue to drive americans further apart which is why it gets so much coverage and how W stirred up way more votes than previously in this past election via Karl Rove.

The husband also got 2.5 Million for her care based on the fact he said she wanted to live. He changed his story after he wanted to marry a new woman. The fact is he has two stories that's well documented one pleeding for her to live and then one pleeding for her to die after he got the money.

For all the ignorant posters here she is NOT in a coma and is not brain dead !

[uno]

Originally Posted by eddie-executive

Tax dollars

Lets not complain about the prisons being loaded up wasting tax dollars though.
When it comes to human life i think ill not worry about the $10 a year i pay for her to live or whatever it is.

This is coming from people who cant appreciate the simple things in life because their whole life is based on material things.

What if you were the person that had to pull the feeding tube would you? I know you wouldn't.

I would if it were her wishes. No one deserves that especially if its against her wishes. All courts so far agree with her husband and his right to carry out her wishes.

[Stamen]

Originally Posted by websiex

That would be a very very very very bad political move to pull the plug when he is supposed to be compassionate.

Exactly, we all know how Bush will vote, which implies support for this. So if the paper ever reaches his desk, then this whole thing is as much Bush's fault as it is Congress. In fact, Bush took the red eye out to D.C. from Crawford so that he could sign the bill as quickly as possible if it passed.

Republicans are doing anything they can do circumvent the decision of the Supreme Court. The Florida court decided that Terri's tube should be pulled. The Supreme Court upheld that decision by rejecting an appeal by Terri's parents.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by tony404

She is a vegetable and they know like the husband knows she wouldnt of wanted this , the doctors already said with her lack of brain activity she will feel nothing. Your thinking like locking a perfectly healthy person in a room and let them starve thats not the case. If you really believe in god and that she is going to a better place where she will be truly free. Then I would do it for the love of my daughter. Also you dont want the government getting involved like this , Im telling you. Trust me on this one.

I like how you KNOW what the mother and father think, I also love how you are telling me how to think. If anyone ever tried to STARVE my child to death(no matter i my child was in a persistant vegetative state or not) would meet a quick death. WHY NOT LET THE PARENTS TAKE CARE OF HER? They GAVE her life let them decide in this case, not a fucking judge.

[uno]

Originally Posted by spunkmaster

The husband also got 2.5 Million for her care based on the fact he said she wanted to live. He changed his story after he wanted to marry a new woman. The fact is he has two stories that's well documented one pleeding for her to live and then one pleeding for her to die after he got the money.

For all the ignorant posters here she is NOT in a coma and is not brain dead !

Link please. I dont' have time to search for one but if one is provided I would love to read it.

[Entropy]

The funny thing is that Bush is virtually the leader of the Christian Right...

Wouldn't it make sense for them to step aside and allow her to ascend into their "heaven" as opposed to living a life in hell?

[theking]

Originally Posted by uno

Link please. I dont' have time to search for one but if one is provided I would love to read it.

That is true. Further postive proof that she is not brain dead...is the fact that she is not on a Ventilator. Brain dead people cannot breathe on their own...nor do they see.

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by theking

It is my understanding that the "10 million" offer was/is BS. I am not aware of any doctor saying that she is brain dead and from the videos of her you do not have to be a doctor to visibly see that she is not brain dead. There are hundreds of thousands of people that cannot feed themselves...or cleanse themselves...or speak...old folks homes are full of them...but they are allowed to live. It is my understanding that tax dollars are not paying for her care but a 2.6 million dollar award from a law suit for her care is being used to pay for her care.

yea, when this first started, before I saw the videos of her smiling with her family, I was under the impression that she was in a non-responsive type comma.

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by spunkmaster

The husband also got 2.5 Million for her care based on the fact he said she wanted to live. He changed his story after he wanted to marry a new woman. The fact is he has two stories that's well documented one pleeding for her to live and then one pleeding for her to die after he got the money.

For all the ignorant posters here she is NOT in a coma and is not brain dead !

I don't know about the husband and the money, but I do know that I've seen several doctors on TV ,who have reviewed her MRI's, state that she is irreversibly braindead. Why would they lie?