If you launched a solo girl site what would you consider "successful"?

[NaughtyRob]

In another post we were discussing "successful".
Successful for me could mean 5 sign ups per day. For someone else it might mean 20 per day etc.

What would you consider a success?

[Nickless]

hm i was doing 10+ signups as an affiliate, so anything below 30 after the first few months is a failure

[Illicit]

anything above what it costs to get the site up is a success

[Nickless]

Originally Posted by Illicit

anything above what it costs to get the site up is a success

you just killed a perfectly good thread

[NaughtyRob]

Originally Posted by Nickless

you just killed a perfectly good thread

Not really. Just his opinion. Some people would be pissed if they didnt make way above what they paid to launch it.
In my case the cost would be VERY minimal to launch a site.

[vapewiz]

Originally Posted by ContentProducer

In another post we were discussing "successful".
Successful for me could mean 5 sign ups per day. For someone else it might mean 20 per day etc.

What would you consider a success?

Are you for real 5 joins a day... damn good luck being "successful".

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by ContentProducer

Successful for me could mean 5 sign ups per day.

[Stacey_JoinRightNow]

Originally Posted by Illicit

anything above what it costs to get the site up is a success

this statement says it all...i agree on that

[2HousePlague]

Originally Posted by Illicit

anything above what it costs to get the site up is a success

($ Profit / Time Spent) > Having Done Something Else



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[Jace]

Originally Posted by cutetwink

Are you for real 5 joins a day... damn good luck being "successful".

that really isn't a bad goal to reach in reality...i know one certain affiliate manager that icq'ed me a while back begging me to send traffic...he said his goal for each site was to have 5 sign ups a day for each site...and this is a program that everyone thinks is HUGE, but just looks that way, they really aren't

really...if you have a single girl site doing
5 joins a day @ $24.95= $124.95 a day
approx $3724/month
$44910/year
hosting=less than $200
leaving $42510
-billing fees 15% (max)
left with approx $36,000

while this may not be successful in your standards, there are a lot of people that would love to be making $36,000 just to get fucked on camera...or even POSE on camera for that matter

there is nowhere to go from there but up if you play your cards right....

[DirtyDanza]

anything below 50-60 signups aday I would not waste my time

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

left with approx $36,000

yeah, and then you pay 60% to affiliates

[xclusive]

at least a %15 increase month over month in my bottom line and i'd be happy with my investment.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

yeah, and then you pay 60% to affiliates

that is if you use affiliates as your main source of traffic...i know my paysite doesn't...no offense to affiliates, but i would rather work to get on the top of SE's than give out 60% of the money

you all have this mindset that affiliates are the be all end all to paysite traffic...and a lot of time that isn't the case...and any smart program knows this too and pushes their sites hard to get non-affiliate sales

my adding up above was based on no affiliate sales....i actually didn't even take into account if a girl had an affiliate program too

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

yeah, and then you pay 60% to affiliates

And thats where the pain begins
So ya will need 6 sites doing 5 each a day

SWEEET!@

[vapewiz]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

that really isn't a bad goal to reach in reality...i know one certain affiliate manager that icq'ed me a while back begging me to send traffic...he said his goal for each site was to have 5 sign ups a day for each site...and this is a program that everyone thinks is HUGE, but just looks that way, they really aren't

really...if you have a single girl site doing
5 joins a day @ $24.95= $124.95 a day
approx $3724/month
$44910/year
hosting=less than $200
leaving $42510
-billing fees 15% (max)
left with approx $36,000

while this may not be successful in your standards, there are a lot of people that would love to be making $36,000 just to get fucked on camera...or even POSE on camera for that matter

there is nowhere to go from there but up if you play your cards right....

In this biz less then 100k/yr is not a successful program/site imho. I'm not rich and i'm no topbucks or adult.com. If you want to run paysites and you think 5 joins a day is a good goal... wrong.

As for affiliate managers they are the same as sig whores. They couldn't make the money on their own and need to annoy us all on icq for 5 joins a day to sites that don't convert. So they can make a grand a month.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I am with JaceXXX on this though.

Loosing 50% to 60% or even 70% to affilaites is not to wise OMHO.
Especially with exclusive shiot.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

yeah, and then you pay 60% to affiliates

and that's why nobody should ever rely on affiliates too much.

provided a girl has the looks, with a good day's work and that's not 3 or 4 hours, minimum a regular working day of 7-8 hours, she should be able to do 5 signups a day on her own - not easy but doable with effort. The affiliate revenue should be the icing on top.

10 signups a day on a single girl site i consider a success. 20-25 is very very good. 50 plus is for superstars - and it's a handful of single girl sites that are in that class.

easily the most least understood niche in this business. I like Steve - he didn't do it intentionally but he's created this myth that single girl sites are a
goldmine. With the right girls, the right execution and the right networking they are a profitable business.

I'd like CCBILL to show some leadership and responsibility and stop approving single girl sites that are substandard. And that would be about 75% of them.
15 photosets of a model isn't a website - it's a scam. Minimum 40 sets should be on the site before it gets approved and CCBILL should see that there are 60 more in the can minimally for updates. Nobody in this industry ever thinks about the millions of customers who've been lost.

[uno]

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

($ Profit / Time Spent) > Having Done Something Else



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Ya, profit > opportunity cost = bling.

[bigdog]

Originally Posted by Mutt

and that's why nobody should ever rely on affiliates too much.

provided a girl has the looks, with a good day's work and that's not 3 or 4 hours, minimum a regular working day of 7-8 hours, she should be able to do 5 signups a day on her own - not easy but doable with effort. The affiliate revenue should be the icing on top.

10 signups a day on a single girl site i consider a success. 20-25 is very very good. 50 plus is for superstars - and it's a handful of single girl sites that are in that class.

easily the most least understood niche in this business. I like Steve - he didn't do it intentionally but he's created this myth that single girl sites are a
goldmine. With the right girls, the right execution and the right networking they are a profitable business.

I'd like CCBILL to show some leadership and responsibility and stop approving single girl sites that are substandard. And that would be about 75% of them.
15 photosets of a model isn't a website - it's a scam. Minimum 40 sets should be on the site before it gets approved and CCBILL should see that there are 60 more in the can minimally for updates. Nobody in this industry ever thinks about the millions of customers who've been lost.

that would really suck if ccbill got that much involved into peoples sites.

[HarlotCash Dyker]

There are some good wise comments in this thread - And some really stupid comments -

Success is not HOW MANY sign ups a day -
A site gaining 50-60 a day with crap retention means hard work mailing and cross selling to make cash -

A site getting only 5 sales a day with a very high rention and return ratio will bring in a couple of hundred thousand dollars profit very easily.

[vapewiz]

Originally Posted by bigdog

that would really suck if ccbill got that much involved into peoples sites.

Why? If there was a set standard for the amount of content one needed to have a site processed by ccbill. If you join a site that only had 15 sets of pics for $29.95 wouldn't u be pissed?

[2HousePlague]

The simplistic asking of this question glosses-over a number of important "givens" we'd have to know before being able to answer intelligently...

How much start-up capital? Debt service? Pre-existing traffic sources? Do you have a production contract with the girl -- or did you just pick up a bunch of content? Exclusivity? Is the site supported by staff you already have -- or are you hiring (including yourself)? Is it your first and only site -- or are you adding a site to a portfolio of sites? Are you sourcing traffic separately for this site? What is the cross-sell potential of that traffic against your other products? Will cannabalization be a factor? ETC, ETC...

But it does force us to consider the definition of "success" for one of our industry's "workhorse" business models.

All the above questions and considerations notwithstanding, I'd have to say you have a "successful" site if you can clear enough with it (in net profit) after a year to subsidize 50% of the aggregate traffic acquisition costs.



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[emthree]

Originally Posted by bigdog

that would really suck if ccbill got that much involved into peoples sites.

It does suck on a certain level, but will definitely raise the bar for wannabe webmasters/paysite owners.
This industry is something that is too easily penetrated which is currently still a good thing for diversity and competition, but in 10 years the same cannot be said.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by Mutt

I like Steve

who me? I've never told anyone that solo girl sites are easy, or even profitable. There is an overlooked secret to success with solo girl sites, and I'm going to divulge it during my seminar at Phoenix Forum.

Steve Lightspeed

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

who me? I've never told anyone that solo girl sites are easy, or even profitable. There is an overlooked secret to success with solo girl sites, and I'm going to divulge it during my seminar at Phoenix Forum.

Steve Lightspeed

Will you respond in your seminar thread you started yesterday please.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

who me? I've never told anyone that solo girl sites are easy, or even profitable. There is an overlooked secret to success with solo girl sites, and I'm going to divulge it during my seminar at Phoenix Forum.

Steve Lightspeed

hehee - who else is named Steve and matters in this niche?

[CybermedAndy]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

who me? I've never told anyone that solo girl sites are easy, or even profitable. There is an overlooked secret to success with solo girl sites, and I'm going to divulge it during my seminar at Phoenix Forum.

Steve Lightspeed

See you there- I'll be front row center.

[Shooting_Manic]

All about the profit margin. Nothing to do with how many joins. I know a few guys that do 50 joins a day that only have affiliate traffic and they over pay their models. Thats not successful.

I know other guys that do 20 or more joins a day in each of their sites with 50% of their joins from their own traffic. They dont over pay their models and actually make great money at the end of the month. Thats what I consider successful.

There is no magic, just good business sense. Cute model helps too.

[The Heron]

An NPV > or = 0 is a good investment

[MandyBlake]

Originally Posted by cutetwink

In this biz less then 100k/yr is not a successful program/site imho. I'm not rich and i'm no topbucks or adult.com. If you want to run paysites and you think 5 joins a day is a good goal... wrong.

As for affiliate managers they are the same as sig whores. They couldn't make the money on their own and need to annoy us all on icq for 5 joins a day to sites that don't convert. So they can make a grand a month.

but if you are consistently getting 5 signups a day and retaining those members, then you are definitely going to eventually do 100k/yr.
you can get 20 sales a day everyday and if you don't retain those members you're starting from scratch every month.

[alan-l]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

that really isn't a bad goal to reach in reality...i know one certain affiliate manager that icq'ed me a while back begging me to send traffic...he said his goal for each site was to have 5 sign ups a day for each site...and this is a program that everyone thinks is HUGE, but just looks that way, they really aren't

really...if you have a single girl site doing
5 joins a day @ $24.95= $124.95 a day
approx $3724/month
$44910/year
hosting=less than $200
leaving $42510
-billing fees 15% (max)
left with approx $36,000

while this may not be successful in your standards, there are a lot of people that would love to be making $36,000 just to get fucked on camera...or even POSE on camera for that matter

there is nowhere to go from there but up if you play your cards right....

you forgot a 50% retention which adds month per month. Not going to do the maths, but the figure would be quite higher and very interesting for a single site, if you continue adding sites, you'd end racking some dosh. Of course, you'd have affiliates, but if you've your own traffic sources, then you can be very happy with 5 steady sign ups a day for single girl sites where the content production costs is minimal since the guy shoots it himself. Just my

[Chio The Pirate]

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

($ Profit / Time Spent) > Having Done Something Else



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YARGH! I be agreein'

[Alex]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

really...if you have a single girl site doing
5 joins a day @ $24.95= $124.95 a day
approx $3724/month
$44910/year
hosting=less than $200
leaving $42510
-billing fees 15% (max)
left with approx $36,000

We are using the word successful. Not profitable

Yes that is a nice profit.

But you fail to count that you ahve to update with a set a week

One set to the model is what? $500 at min?

SO thats a min of $26,000 a year
And assuming its all your traffic

You make $10,000 a year minus time/cost to generate that traffic

Not successfull ay all.

For 10k a year, go run a TGP

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Alex

We are using the word successful. Not profitable

Yes that is a nice profit.

But you fail to count that you ahve to update with a set a week

One set to the model is what? $500 at min?

SO thats a min of $26,000 a year
And assuming its all your traffic

You make $10,000 a year minus time/cost to generate that traffic

Not successfull ay all.

For 10k a year, go run a TGP

i was making the assumption the girl was starting the site herself and she owned it, did all the design and handle shit herself....cause if your starting a site nowadays and don't do it that way, your kind of dumb IMO

and I also only added it up for one month worth of revenue....my mistake on that....i forgot retention, and furture months at 5 joins a day....wqhich, as stated above, if you have excellent retention, can add up to some nice #'s..just on 5 joins a day

[Alex]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

i was making the assumption the girl was starting the site herself and she owned it, did all the design and handle shit herself....cause if your starting a site nowadays and don't do it that way, your kind of dumb IMO

and I also only added it up for one month worth of revenue....my mistake on that....i forgot retention, and furture months at 5 joins a day....wqhich, as stated above, if you have excellent retention, can add up to some nice #'s..just on 5 joins a day

Even so. $36k. Make it 45k if you count rebills. Isnt that profitable.

And sending 5 sales a day on your own while do all the back work can take more than 8hrs day

Might as well go 9-5.

5 sales a day is not sucessfull.

Solo girl sites reatain only beause of constant updats and member interction

A lot of time must be put in.

[sweetcuties]

All about profit... I don't believe the; "yea, I'm doing 100 su's a day consistantly..." line. There's very few people doing major su's daily, whether it's a single or multi site

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Alex

Even so. $36k. Make it 45k if you count rebills. Isnt that profitable.

And sending 5 sales a day on your own while do all the back work can take more than 8hrs day

Might as well go 9-5.

5 sales a day is not sucessfull.

Solo girl sites reatain only beause of constant updats and member interction

A lot of time must be put in.

if you look at statistics of US population, $45,000 a year for 40 hours work is above national average...so, in majority of the worlds population, $45,000 a year is VERY successful

i would not like to make that amount, i have grown accustomed to my salary, but lots of people would love that amount of money

[bigdog]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

if you look at statistics of US population, $45,000 a year for 40 hours work is above national average...so, in majority of the worlds population, $45,000 a year is VERY successful

i would not like to make that amount, i have grown accustomed to my salary, but lots of people would love that amount of money

Good point, webmasters don't live in the real world and forget what other people make, not everyone makes 40k+ a month

[Jace]

Originally Posted by bigdog

Good point, webmasters don't live in the real world and forget what other people make, not everyone makes 40k+ a month

i know a lot of people my age working normal jobs that would love to be making $40-45k a year....some of them have a hard time hanging out with me cause they get all insecure when I am able to go wherever whenever and buy what I want...it is a real ego deflater for normal folks

[InkedUpMess]

As long as I know I don't have to work a "day job"....... I'm cool

[Peter Romero]

Not surprising that no-one in this thread (and hardly in the internet biz) mentions anything about Video & DVD rights for sale. I made more from that than my site this last few years and my site has became my resume. Not so this year, as they will switch in profit percentage with my new business model and I become more SE saavy and gain more & more affiliates & experience. But, as a whole I'd have to stick with the simple math of profit above costs & retention as a bonus for taking the risk on owning & shooting a porn site. Join numbers are irrelivant from below the profit margin or from a jail cell.

[Peter Romero]

Originally Posted by JaceXXX

i know a lot of people my age working normal jobs that would love to be making $40-45k a year....some of them have a hard time hanging out with me cause they get all insecure when I am able to go wherever whenever and buy what I want...it is a real ego deflater for normal folks

Oh... you grasshopper be big pimpin since I met ago you long time luvva

[MsCheyenne]

Originally Posted by ContentProducer

In another post we were discussing "successful".
Successful for me could mean 5 sign ups per day. For someone else it might mean 20 per day etc.

What would you consider a success?

If you are producing your own content and do not have affiliates to pay, I believe that is successful...especially if you enjoying yourself and working on the site in your spare time. How many people would love to have a part time job that nets over 4k a month (and that isn't counting rebills.)

Cheyenne

[Mutt]

people in this biz who do make a decent living do forget how fortunate they are. my sister gets up each morning at 7 am, has to shower and put on decent clothes, drive or ride the bus for half an hour, sit in a cubicle for 8 hours and go home in rush hour traffic. she makes 40K/year. and there are millions of people like her - many with a family to feed.

if you can make more at some other job/career then you should do it - 90% of people in this biz couldn't make the same money in any other job.

[Peter Romero]

Originally Posted by Mutt

people in this biz who do make a decent living do forget how fortunate they are. my sister gets up each morning at 7 am, has to shower and put on decent clothes, drive or ride the bus for half an hour, sit in a cubicle for 8 hours and go home in rush hour traffic. she makes 40K/year. and there are millions of people like her - many with a family to feed.

if you can make more at some other job/career then you should do it - 90% of people in this biz couldn't make the same money in any other job.

Thanks for the attitude adjustment Mutt. Every day is a new oportunity to re-invent myself.