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woj · 03-19-2005, 06:46 PM

50............

WiredGuy · 03-19-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantu

Our fraud script will detect same IP and country!

Anonymizer type services and proxies will probably still get around this. Just trying to watch out for you guys, not trying to bash you in any way...

WG

MickeyG · 03-19-2005, 06:48 PM

sounds great! Can't wait to try it out.

for those who didn't try out the previous promotion this new program should do even better. see sig and don't miss out this time!

iwantu · 03-19-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Anonymizer type services and proxies will probably still get around this. Just trying to watch out for you guys, not trying to bash you in any way...

WG

Similarly, scripts exist to automatically confirm emails!

We appreciate the comment though

Furious_Male · 03-19-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male

You guys probably missed all the other referal links so sign up here.

http://www.iwantu.com/click/74971001/0/

You still have some time to take advantage of the 2.50 promo

Excellent! I am signing up under you now!

Varius · 03-19-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Anonymizer type services and proxies will probably still get around this. Just trying to watch out for you guys, not trying to bash you in any way...

WG

WG, thanks for the concern. Fraud will always be an issue with any program, moreso when offering things like this....we feel confident though that the fraud checks we have in place will protect us well.

In any case, email confirmation doesn't protect you too much....any serious fraudster will build a robot that can create 50 email accounts per minute in yahoo, hotmail etc...and make the robot actually able to login and click the confirmation URLs. It's not that hard.

We have a fraud check based on MANY criteria, so we think it will not be an issue.

Varius · 03-19-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spunky

Another great promo Varius

Not promo...........P-R-O-G-R-A-M

big difference

OzMan · 03-19-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male

Excellent! I am signing up under you now!

110% what a deal

Furious_Male · 03-19-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OzMan

110% what a deal

You caught me twice.

$5 submissions · 03-19-2005, 07:44 PM

Another bump for Keith and crew!

eddie-executive · 03-19-2005, 08:07 PM

$1 would be nice at least .75 cents thats my request

Odin88 · 03-19-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Anonymizer type services and proxies will probably still get around this. Just trying to watch out for you guys, not trying to bash you in any way...

WG

You honestly think people can't setup emails as well and have people in other countries confirm them? With automation any fool could setup a yahoo.com account in 5 seconds (even if they can't beat image verification) and rely on outsourcing the OCR. Hell I can get someone to do the image verification part for $8 per 1000 images they work out manually. Than automate a bot to go into the email/s and get the confirmation links and open them up from the same IP they where confirmed from. Anything with no paid ratio's runs this risk, the only combat is fraud detection, and I am sure iwantu is on top of their game there.

Varius · 03-19-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Another bump for Keith and crew!

Thanks man...you got my email about the partner site right ?

Varius · 03-19-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie-executive

$1 would be nice at least .75 cents thats my request

ICQ me and we'll see based on your numbers

Varius · 03-19-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Odin88

You honestly think people can't setup emails as well and have people in other countries confirm them? With automation any fool could setup a yahoo.com account in 5 seconds (even if they can't beat image verification) and rely on outsourcing the OCR. Hell I can get someone to do the image verification part for $8 per 1000 images they work out manually. Than automate a bot to go into the email/s and get the confirmation links and open them up from the same IP they where confirmed from. Anything with no paid ratio's runs this risk, the only combat is fraud detection, and I am sure iwantu is on top of their game there.

Exactly....unless you look at a cross-section of 10-15 things, they can fraud you if they really want to.

lazycash · 03-19-2005, 11:29 PM

Not sure why you would pay out on unconfirmed emails, you can't profit from that so me as the webmaster aren't expecting to get paid on it. Paying us on those signups reduces the free/paid ratio and payout on the email sliding scale program since you can't possibly upsell them if they never confirm their email.

psyko514 · 03-19-2005, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Not sure why you would pay out on unconfirmed emails, you can't profit from that so me as the webmaster aren't expecting to get paid on it. Paying us on those signups reduces the free/paid ratio and payout on the email sliding scale program since you can't possibly upsell them if they never confirm their email.

profiles are like content to a dating site.

not only are you sending people to the site who might convert to a paid join, you're also sending people to the site who are generating more content for the site.

OzMan · 03-20-2005, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by psyko514

profiles are like content to a dating site.

not only are you sending people to the site who might convert to a paid join, you're also sending people to the site who are generating more content for the site.

very true and as was mentioned earlier probably 3/4 or so of those emails will be good especially if "just put garbage for your email address as you don't need to confirm it to get access" is left off the profile creation page

OzMan · 03-20-2005, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Odin88

... Hell I can get someone to do the image verification part for $8 per 1000 images they work out manually...

I think I am gonna move to Manilla. I could make $240 an hour off of you at those rates

$5 submissions · 03-20-2005, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

Thanks man...you got my email about the partner site right ?

Yeah, I did, Keith. Thanks again, man!

lazycash · 03-20-2005, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by psyko514

profiles are like content to a dating site.

not only are you sending people to the site who might convert to a paid join, you're also sending people to the site who are generating more content for the site.

Yes I understand that profiles generate content, but my comment was directed at those that never confirm their email and are unable to post a profile. One of their programs will be a free email/sale sliding scale payout much like aac is doing. If they count non confirms as a free signup, that will reduce the ratio and payout, even though technically if they don't confirm they were never eligible to buy.

Varius · 03-20-2005, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Yes I understand that profiles generate content, but my comment was directed at those that never confirm their email and are unable to post a profile. One of their programs will be a free email/sale sliding scale payout much like aac is doing. If they count non confirms as a free signup, that will reduce the ratio and payout, even though technically if they don't confirm they were never eligible to buy.

Actually lazycash, you have a few points wrong about us:

1 - You only get credit on this program from people who create their profile, but they do not need to confirm their email to create their profile. Creating the profile is basically like step2 of signing up...

2 - Members can pay without confirming their email address

3 - On this program, we call it pay-per-free because people don't have to confirm their email, they just have to create a profile. Once we launch pay per email on a sliding scale, they will have to confirm their email for you to get credit. However, that will be a complete different program. Pay-per-Email will be just that (as with aac for example), and pay-per-profile will be what I described in my original post in this thread - no email confirm, worlwide traffic and no ratios

Hope this clears some things up

Odin88 · 03-20-2005, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OzMan

I think I am gonna move to Manilla. I could make $240 an hour off of you at those rates

I bet, but I wouldn't have enough work available for you to last more than 10 minutes ;)

lazycash · 03-20-2005, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

Actually lazycash, you have a few points wrong about us:

1 - You only get credit on this program from people who create their profile, but they do not need to confirm their email to create their profile. Creating the profile is basically like step2 of signing up...

2 - Members can pay without confirming their email address

3 - On this program, we call it pay-per-free because people don't have to confirm their email, they just have to create a profile. Once we launch pay per email on a sliding scale, they will have to confirm their email for you to get credit. However, that will be a complete different program. Pay-per-Email will be just that (as with aac for example), and pay-per-profile will be what I described in my original post in this thread - no email confirm, worlwide traffic and no ratios

Hope this clears some things up

Thanks Keith, that does clear things up. Just curious though, if members can pay and login without confirming their email address, why even bother sending out a confirm. By your post, it sounded like the sliding scale program won't be out Monday with your new launch or will it? Also, if you're going to start paying weekly, how will you transition from the current monthly, will you have a two week lag? How soon will you have the cobrand option, that sounds like a great offer.

Varius · 03-20-2005, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Thanks Keith, that does clear things up. Just curious though, if members can pay and login without confirming their email address, why even bother sending out a confirm. By your post, it sounded like the sliding scale program won't be out Monday with your new launch or will it? Also, if you're going to start paying weekly, how will you transition from the current monthly, will you have a two week lag? How soon will you have the cobrand option, that sounds like a great offer.

The purpose behind the confirm actually has nothing to do with ratios or paying members. When we send out dates, alerts, etc....we only send to verified emails. This keeps us nice and clean with hotmail, yahoo, etc...

Sliding scale was scheduled for monday, but we decided to offer this pay-per-profile instead so that we can gather a few more statistics on per-email affiliates in order to offer the best scale possible for everyone involved. Anyone on the 50 cent plan though who converts decently, can arrange something with us so they will be paid out more, and make more money than pay per email programs with other companies.

The first payment done with the new weekly system will cover March 1st to March 20th, with the next weekly payment covering 21st to 27th, and then so on. There is always a lag, as we cannot pay you today for traffic sent yesterday; first, processors don't pay us that way and second, we ned time to run the fraud checks and have things like chargebacks come in. I think this is pretty standardf practice with anyone offering weekly payouts though.

As for the partner program, it's available now. We have already setup 20+ people, some who are live and others who are still working on customizing their sites. The new version out tonight will have the partners section in the site, but if you would like to get setup before, you have but to ask us

lazycash · 03-20-2005, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

The purpose behind the confirm actually has nothing to do with ratios or paying members. When we send out dates, alerts, etc....we only send to verified emails. This keeps us nice and clean with hotmail, yahoo, etc...

Sliding scale was scheduled for monday, but we decided to offer this pay-per-profile instead so that we can gather a few more statistics on per-email affiliates in order to offer the best scale possible for everyone involved. Anyone on the 50 cent plan though who converts decently, can arrange something with us so they will be paid out more, and make more money than pay per email programs with other companies.

The first payment done with the new weekly system will cover March 1st to March 20th, with the next weekly payment covering 21st to 27th, and then so on. There is always a lag, as we cannot pay you today for traffic sent yesterday; first, processors don't pay us that way and second, we ned time to run the fraud checks and have things like chargebacks come in. I think this is pretty standardf practice with anyone offering weekly payouts though.

As for the partner program, it's available now. We have already setup 20+ people, some who are live and others who are still working on customizing their sites. The new version out tonight will have the partners section in the site, but if you would like to get setup before, you have but to ask us

Sounds great, thanks for all the info and explanations. Looking forward to your new launch!

Varius · 03-20-2005, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Sounds great, thanks for all the info and explanations. Looking forward to your new launch!

No prob man, we pride ourselves on being very open and forthcoming with people about our program. We also make a habit of listening to our affiliates.

So far, it's worked out well for us

I'll be soooo happy once this launch is done and I can relax and party again

slavepigen · 03-20-2005, 03:06 AM

have many % don´t confirm there email

iwantu · 03-20-2005, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by slavepigen

have many % don´t confirm there email

Only about 50% of members confirm their email.
So this is traffic you are loosing with other programs, which we are paying you for it!

psyko514 · 03-20-2005, 08:24 AM

Keith or Michael, do you have a sample of what the signup page looks like to the surfer?

Manowar · 03-20-2005, 08:30 AM

http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2005-0...rofile-program

Varius · 03-21-2005, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by psyko514

Keith or Michael, do you have a sample of what the signup page looks like to the surfer?

Hey man, didn't see this post...

Our join form you mean ? Sure: http://adult.iwantu.com/join.love

Varius · 03-21-2005, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2005-0...rofile-program

Thanks man...I've started reading your site every few days

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