TheFLY

Spacedog, just cut your loses and move on... You're lucky you only lost $100, or whatever it was... Think of it as a learning experience. How did you choose 12Click's program? As soon as you saw his TOS you should have moved on. After I was canceled from Cyberotica for "having a TGP" -- I learned you have to read that TOS very carefully... You can usually tell if someone is reasonable by reading their rules or TOS. Did someone recommend SIC to you? Maybe you need better advice. Maybe you should focus more on your traffic first... with a little more traffic you'll be appreciated more by the people you advertise for and trade with... and maybe people will actually listen to you whine -- or maybe not ;) If you don't move on and learn from this experience, I can guarantee it will happen to you again. Unless you are sending traffic to someone you know and trust personally, always be prepapared to not get paid... then you won't be so suprised when the check doesn't come.

spacedog

You like that

I thought it all up myself

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This spacedog thing is just too funny not to post a reply to.


Umm...so you sent traffic for a whole year to a sponsor that didn't pay you? You're not even a good cheater...

ROFLMAO!


Have these lines worked for you in the past?


Listen, Ron pays people. He and the people he's worked with have since back in the day. Sure he has discussions, disagreements, and run-ins with other businesses...so does everyone else. But he really doesn't have any motivation to just kick people out of the programs when the overhead of servicing those additional webmasters is as low as it is now. It's just additional revenue that SIC gets.

Something wasn't kosher with your traffic, and you got kicked from the program. You didn't get paid. You kept sending traffic.


Stop crying and go to your room.

spacedog

Thanks Fly..
The traffic from those pages died when I gave up on them..
those pages are almost a year old & I only worked on them for a few weeks..

On pages that I do update & work on regularly, the traffic is there..Besides..it wasnt about traffic..it was about money..
I read that TOS so many times & there's no legit reason for them to fuck me like that..
Personally..I could give a rats ass about the $$$ I just wanted to expose 12clicks for the cheating lying cunt he is!

I got checks coming this week from ARS, EraserCash, SexKEY, Premier-Blind, Focalex,& CJ..who needs fucking SIC check..just woulda been nice to get it for Xmas shopping for the kids..After all, that's why I tried becoming webmaster in first place..make money, spend more time with kids..spend more money with/ on kids
People like 12clicks wouldnt understand things like that..CROOKS..
When I was in vegas many years ago..I swear this black jack dealer looked just like him..funny part was that the black jack dealer was a crook too..
Friend of mine on NV state police knew the guy..had a bad , bad rap..well known crook..
very doubtful that was him..But just though it was funny how crooks could look alike..

spacedog

More bull..I stopped working on that site AFTER the cunt did'nt pay me!! I just didn't feel like deleting it..One. my fucking house burned down a few weeks after I built that page & I havent seen that pages for seven months..two..I cant delete it because i dont even know my account info for that host..

I just decided to see if the sic sponsor made $$$ & it did..there's many months missing..they deleted most of the stats..seems now they're getting deleted faster since this post.....

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Spacedog, sucks that your house burned. I will not dispute that fact. But limiting your losses is part of being in business. You should maintain access to your sites, if they are your livelyhood, and implement changes to fit the situation. That's business. I understand the fact that links get out there, and unmaintained. But you can't bitch about that fact. Your job is to maintain them.

Besides, this is still hilarious.

BradShaw

BTW, someone mentioned that there are two SIC's.

True, us, Shaw Internet Consultants and Standard Internet Corp.

And just like the other SIC, we do not pay cheaters and scammers. We have done big business with 12Clicks and SIC over the years, and I can assure you they pay;-)

spacedog

Brad..that's the whole point I was tryibg to make..Nobody cheated..He just plain fucks people..Brad, seriously, when was the last time a Shaw internet check bounced? Never..right..I know you pay..But this standardinternetcopr on the other hand..Well, I give up..My point was not bitching..just that I hate companies that fuck their webmasters & I decided to expose this asshole..
I never cheated & he know's it..You know it, the other webmasters of GFY know it..fuck..there's thousands of people out there that know sic cheats....end of discussion..

12clicks

That should have been your first clue that cheating doesn't pay.

TheFLY

Wake up man. Everyone cheats. Welcome to the real world.

Darren

Spacedog _ Learn a lesson from all this,

use a different sponsor, why if a company doesnt pay you do you use them again eg Mojosearch?

GET serious about this biz, get off the noheaders.com free host and put your site on an host, start some projects instead of posting useless bitching threads on here, think of some new ideas.

Since I started reading your posts I get the impression you are a child, but then you contradict this by saying you are buying presents for your children, well stop acting like a child yourself and start BEING SERIOUS about what you are doing.

By swearing at 12clicks and trying to belittle him is pointless and ruins your reputation if you have one that is, grow up.

Regarding Standard Internet I have had good experiences with them, the reality is they do pay if you send them proper traffic. Dont try and bullshit us here, theres obviously something you did, but you think "ahhh he can't prove how i sent dodgy traffic so I will pretend i sent legitimate traffic and bitch all year about him"

again grow up, take it seriously, someone once told me this. Maybe this post will not effect you at all and have no impression on you, it should be apparent by your reply.

Daz.

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Kimmykim

Shap? You there?

Spud

Great interview.

spacedog

Darren..
I understand what you are telling me..
I did learn my lesson..that is why I stopped promoting SIC programs..
As far as using them again goes..I never intended too..SIC is widely known for such practices & has the clause in their terms..AKA.."We'll fuck you for whatever reason we feel like"..I never made the connection with invisible inc & standard internet when I read that clause in mojo..there was no indication on mojo that it is a sic site/program..12clicks even admitted that he INTENTIONALLY PLANS on fucking me yet another time with a completely differerent program & sponsor that he runs..

It should have never gone as far as posting it on a public forum..However, standard internet corp has a long practice..(In my personal experience) of not replying to e-mails..Thus, when the opportunity presented it self, I decided to bitch..I could give a rats ass about the money..
I am VERY serious about this business..
I choose a sponsor & I follow the rules..I expect my sponsors to follow up on their end of the bargain..I don't care if it's per click, per sign up, whatever..12clicks blatantly accused me of cheating..this is entirely untrue..he won't admit it, but he know's I am right..send proper traffic?? Right..That I did..But did I get paid for it? NO..
I can prove that the pages I have that contain SIC links have not been updated since the site went online..Now, If the links have been exactly the same since my ftp to the server, which also coincides with the start of my affilliate with SIC..then I have proof that I did NOT cheat..
Do you know why 12clicks can't prove it..BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED!!..

He blatantly came out & threratened to not pay for mojo..which has nothing to do with SIC..hahaha..That show's what kind of character he is...

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Yeah..Great..so not only do sponsors like sic not have to pay me, I have to spend my money to send them traffic too!! Give me a fucking break...

I'll pay for hosting when I feel that I have enough tools & knowledge in this corrupt industry & how it works..
When I know who pays, who don't..what works, what don't..what sells, what don't, etc, etc, etc..THEN, i'll get payhost..
I got payhost for mainstream sites..BUT, for new ventures in such cutthroat industry like this..Better wait..I had enough losses..
I used to promote redhot sites..Sent over 500+ signups in a year..Not a single dime was mailed to me!!! Imagine how ripped I woulda been had I also spent money for hosting

spacedog

Hey fucknut..You'll remember me when we meet in vegas fuckhead ...We've met before..assfuck..You have no fucking clue..

flight from jersey to vegas....

january motherfucker!!!!!!!!

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I'm just glad you're a professional about this.

Darren

For a moment i thought you was acting like an adult then i read

"Hey fucknut..You'll remember me when we meet in vegas fuckhead ...We've met before..assfuck..You have no fucking clue.."

spacedog go back to your apparently really successful mainstream sites, kid.

12clicks

I think this is what he was trying to say.

spacedog

That fucking quip from 12clicks was what really pissed me off..
People fucking died that day..he just really fucking pissed me off..real fucking bad..

I just booked my fucking flight...

Later...

Kimmykim

Oh they reply to emails. I've seen some of them and they aren't the kind of replies you forget.

I hope you booked on National you guys might meet BEFORE you get to Vegas lol...

12clicks

I'm frightened mommy! hold me.

spacedog

HEY 12cunts..Now you're going TOO FUCKING FAR...

I never cheated..You're a fucking damn liar & you know it...

Just pray you recognize me this january before it's too late for you to run..

Go fucking renew your nambla subscription you fucking gay PEDO...

I hope your up to date with your listing on the sex offenders registry in nevada...

12clicks

yikes, he's jumped to a topic he feels comfortable with. I'm in trouble now.

spacedog

Pretty fucking pathetic of you 12cunts....

I challenged you to show the truth..
Go ahead..hide behind your fucking lies..I know I never cheated ANY fucking SPONSOR..EVER!!! What you think is of no fucking importance of me whatsoever..I don't give a shit..
Go about your fucking bullshit as usual..
You state your case..
You validate your case..
You conclude..

You have not even validated your case..
You're just a little boy loving cocksucker who's all talk..
I accused you first, with TRUTH..
You however choose to act like a prick as usual & start making off the wall bullshit..
Whatever..I don't give a fucking rats ass about you or SIC or MOJO for that matter..Better yet..FUCK MOJO..You won't pay..I'll just remove the link..There's plenty of sponsors that'll be happy to have a banner at the top of 588 pages on 6k a day site on a free host..So, you lose..NOT ME..
However, your rep is getting thinner & dirtier by the minute..That much is true..
You may hide behind lies, but the truth is out there...

spacedog

What's your fucking point..Or do you ever have one?

12clicks

60 posts in and NOW he doesn't give a rats ass. haha funny.

he likes those young boy lines though. his comfort level is growing.

jimmyf

How come I didn't get a check from Mojo, were's my CHECK?


Jim

Gary

You probably wont see 12clicks on the flight. He'll be in first class, you'll be flying stand-by.

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Hmmm....I think part of it was when you began talking specifics about gay pedophiles. Seemed pretty freaky for a thread running on an interview and sponsor cheating. At least, that was my take.

Roberto

can you guys stop the insults thing and post some proofs?
so long i've only read bad things about 12clicks and/or his programs (not at boards but the most surprising is the sexape/picwarehouse "blacklist" and at another rules page that said "no mojosearch boxes" that i can't remember now)
how did spacedog exactly cheat?
that would help a lot i think.
just because 12clicks had proof of other webmasters cheating his programs doesn't mean he is right every time? or does it?

spacedog

I don't give a rats ass..
I just enjoy exposing fucking rip offs who lie & don't pay..
I took advantage of an opportunity to flame your fucking ass... ..LOL

I hate sponsors that fuck their webmasters..
Especially ones that follow rules..(& don't start on your fucking lies again..I know the truth, you know the truth..)

I never cheated any company or sponsor ever & get really pissed when someone does it to me when I am trying to things by the rules...
Sure there are other webmasters that have cheated you, but I am NOT one of them & I made a choice to do this by the rules & by the law..
You however, have made slanderous statements and accused me of cheating wiht fucking exits & refreshes,which I have never done..
You have your fucking server logs, all your stats, etc..you have evry fucking referer url that came from one of my links..You won't postthe truth because you know I am right.
I challenge you to post solid, harcore evidence to prove that you were cheated by me..
I don't want your check thatll bounce..
I want you to post the fucking truth!!
You fucked an honest webmaster..
That's it..
If it were I that were the sponsor & you the webmaster that gotted stiffed, you'd complain too..

I go to work & do my job..I expect them to pay me as promised..If they don't..I bitch..That's the way of it..Same pricipal applies here..

I want everyone on GFY that reads this to see what a prick you can be sometimes..That you always fuck over the little people..You would'nt dare step on any toes of the big players cuz you know they'll cruch you!!
Enough said..
You don't post any hard, solid evidence to back up your claims that you were cheated by me..I rest my case & it shall stand that I am right about standard internet corp..
You have a reputation all over the net for being rude to clients, webmasters & the like..You are no different here..
You talk out of your ass 12clicks..

Kimmykim

Damn Gary you still are funny.

spacedog

I meant what's his point about being comfortable..Am I supposed to be uncomfortable?? I don't get it..

spacedog

I didn't mean on the plane dude..i meant in vegas...

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You're not going to. I'll give you credit for the effort, though.

12clicks

you're a cheater and I'm a prick. so what?

post another 1000 word post, I'm sure it will change *something*

spacedog

Like I said..back it up baby..You got all that bug & fancy equipment & you can't prove anything becuase you're a fucking LIAR!!!
What fucking gain would I have in trying to cheat a sponsor for a mere 200 bucks..HUH?
Don't you think that if I were going to cheat I would send 10000's of hits a day!! Hmm...We all know you're a prick, but so far, you've convinced No-one that I am a cheater..You're all talk out of you're ass as usual..I guess all those so called slanders all over the net are really true aboutyou then?

Like I said before..I proved my point..You're full of bullshit..With all the logs you have & referer stats..You have NOT one ounce of any indication that I ever did anything to cheat you..

I have an icq buddy that runs an affilliate program..When someone cheats him..he logs it & saves the proof..he even gets screen caps to defend his "You changed the page claim"..YOU however just lie & refuse to post evidence because you know you're caught in a lie....
& I will leave my mojo search box on my site..You know I am following the rules here..So leave mojo out of it..I want to prove a point..I followed all the rules before..
Now I got mojosearch on my site & I am following all the rules there..We'll see how real you are..
I follow the TOS.You pay..then no prob ..
I follow rules, you fuck me..I WIN!!!

quiet

dude, move on. there are plenty of programs out there, and if you are not cheating like you say, then you'll find one that makes you money.

spacedog

You're right..
I got a few that are paying me..
erasercash, ARS, focalex, premeireblind, sexkey, etc..
No problem with any of that..just priciple & bad etchics from others get me t'd off..
I gotta get to my day job..later..

12clicks

dude, didn't you see the cape in my avatar?
I'm a superhero.
If I say you cheated, everyone believes it.
oh, and I'll say this one more time because you don't seem to get it.

You are not being paid for mojosearch. take down your links. you've broken the rules.

all of your bullshit and threats amounts to nothing. did you really not read the interview I did?
You're just another cheater being publically made example of. make more threats, post how I cheated you on your websites. You can't imagine how little the word of a cheater means. Even if he's persistant.

Kimmykim

I think someone just likes to use the word avatar.

^R3K^

hey this post was supposed to me about me.

Unchilled

I always wondered what that little deal was called

12clicks

and you guys thought my head was empty.........

titmowse

I would have asked those embarrassing questions...

Nice bit of text there ^R3K^.



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Mike Semen

As a new guy, i must say I've learnt a hell of a lot from this and other similar threads.

Since I don't want to get involved, I won't say what, but I think the intelligent ones amongst you will probably guess...

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12clicks

don't do the crime if you can't do the time?

you can't outrun the truth?

a stitch in time saves 9?

the early bird gets the worm?

a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush?

if you're invited to a gang bang and there are no women, figure you're the woman?

what?
what?

spacedog

{quote]You are not being paid for mojosearch. take down your links. you've broken the rules[/quote]

OK 12clicks..Now what lies do you have in store for us..
Exactly what rules were broken here...Now you want to wrongfully accuse me of cheating on mojo too!! Your a real piece of work Ron...
A class act fucknut...I'd expect that from your kind..It's fucknut's like you that have generated the negative stereotype of your peers...You have no fucking class..No fucking ethics & have complete lack of respect for those you do business with...I stand by my truth that I have never cheated any fucking sponsor EVER....Any sponsor I deal with would tell you that I do NOT cheat & I follow the fucking rules...YOU..are the FIRST & ONLY sponsor to accuse me of such..You just use this as a scapecoat defense to your scam...YOU are so full of shit..scum..a fucking lowlife.....You, with all your software & tools at your dispense & all the resources available to you can not come up with a single inkling of evidence, because the fact of the matter is that you plain & simply fuck honest webmasters.....
You showed us all that today with your audacity to again wrongfully accuse me a second time, with mojo....What rules were broken here 12clicks..Hmm..
and don't go hide behind your famous clause.."Any webmaster who talks shit will be fucked by me" line...
All my statements in regards to Standard Internet Corp ARE ACCURATE, HONEST & TRUTHFUL..No slander exists..Furthermore....Mojo is owned by Invisbile Inc..There is NO indication within the terms that state your corruption clause includes standard internet corp..Or in any way, means, shape or form states that Mojo is affilliated with SIC..furthermore...In no way were any derogatory statements made in relation to mojo..AND,,YOU brought MOJO into this thread..NOT ME...I had no indication of MOJO's association with YOU or SIC till you decided to become an even bigger prick than you started out as....
Let this show everyone that it is YOU that is the cheater....A sponsor that is a cheater..A sonsor who cheats the webmaster.....
Kindly GO FUCK YOURSELF....

12clicks

son, letting a double overnight shift at the fry-O-lator keep you from posting on the board is no way to win an argument.

you are a cheater, everything I said about you is true, everything you said about me is false. You have no proof.

(hehe, christ, this shit sounds funnier when I type it than when you do)

spacedog

Actually..I don't work at no fry-o-later fuckface..I work at a fucking collection agency....Everything you have said against me is FALSE..Everything out of your fucking mouth is false..OH..Don't be surprised..I DO have proof...It's all on its way via snail mail to your legal department asshole...