If she said she would only be doing your solo site and she doe another you should sign up at a free host and give away all of her content all the time to anyone that would want to see her. Make her worthless. Show all the members area content.


You can do that. Maybe you should point it out to her and then offer offer her the chance to shoot with you again or work with no one. You should launch her site soon though so you get some cash before you pimp her ass out for free and fuck up her value (before steve makes his site).

i know... i thought about that later and even offered her to do the exact same deal steve had offered her... still was just extremely rude and kept telling me "IT DOESN'T CONCERN YOU"

i am evil enough to do something like that after I made my money back......just flood the market with every picture and movie you have...all for free...and you own it, so she can't say shit...post it everywhere..and when you post the pics, post the full sets and tons of full sets, so no one ever needs to look elsewhere to find her

that will fuck up her web value for sure

Why did you pay $350 for a hotel room?

The Radisson is nice and only costs 100. Or in the long run, it's cheaper to just rent a studio.

launch the site! launch the site! launch the site! :)

but get a cleaner design, can't even see what that girl looks like.

If you are paying the model for the shoot, why even tell them what it's for? just get them to sign a full release and do what you want with the photos. If you want a girl to do webcam chats, diaries, etc, and be part of the site, don't pay them for the shoots, pay them a percentage of what the site makes...

:2 cents:

what a dumb fucking whore, they are a dime a dozen. she isnt even that hot. next time shoot all your content in 1 day. make that bitch bring 30 outfits

I must be missing something here, I thought there was some hot chick everyone was competing over. When I went to the site they substituted some chick with pancake titties and protruding ribs. Decent ass, but damn, are tweakers considered hot these days?

26 photo sets & 6 videos is enough to launch the site. Either launch it or take the $2500 & find another model.

You can't expect them to pay for your equipment or web server. The $2500 covers your costs associated with this girl.

Steve Lightspeed (7:06 PM) :
it appears you have decided to end any chance of doing biz together now, that is unfortunate

This is in regards to the thread...

first off: why are you paying a photographer who doesn't own his own equipment? Or did you buy the equipment just to keep it under the bed?
You need to make up your mind: use a photographer with HIS equip. or you shoot the content yourself with the equip. that you bought.
Also, if you're going to make a solo girl site, you need a CONTRACT.
To most of these chicks, that doesn't matter, but at least later on you can tell her: here is what you signed, you stupid bitch.
And... NO BOYFRIENDS!
I had a bad experience with a model's boyfriend at the beginning of us making our own sites. So from then on, the girls can bring a girlfriend, but no b/f or husbands. Unless he dude is going to fuck them on camera.
Plus... use Cheap hotels. Holiday Inns do wonders, and they are about 60 bucks a night.

Anyway, sorry to hear. Things will get better, and you now have the experience. Learn from it!

i know.... but 2500 is an insult.... for all the time and work i have put into this....

sonofsam, I can see that you're upset, but you're being a tard. You should have worked out a deal with somebody, made back some of your money, made some good business contacts, and you would be in a much better situation. Instead, you learned a valuable lesson at the hefty price of $2,500.

WTF are you doing man? You don't have cash OR traffic? Build one or the other, THEN build your paysite.

Honey, that girl isn't worth the $2500 you put into it. Unless she's doing double anal, she's not going to sell in the teen market. Teen solo sites are looking for innocence, not meth whores.

Take it as a learning experience. How many webmasters here blew up their bandwidth bill in overages when they had a shitty gallery listed on the Hun for the first time? You've got many projects ahead of you. :thumbsup

This is where being 18 is a disadavantage. You would not have lost much and you learned tons. The next site would and have/is going to go smoother. Steve Lightspeed was there once and I am sure he did some similar stuff. Look where he is now. Bigger and better next time.

:thumbsup

PS grovel back and see if you can take his offer. If not fire up the server and start the site going. You have lots of exclusive stuff that should get you on the best TGP's pretty easily.

No what your gonna do is take friday and saturday and shoot 6-10 months worth of content and updates, BEFORE she flakes also. Thats rule #1 with solo teens. Shoot a gang of content

Next time make a contract with the girl that states that she will be exclusive to you and that site, for x number of days weeks or years. Also have a clause that says that if she refuses to fufill her end, and make sure to list the things she needs to do, that she will owe back the cost of production to date, and give up the rest of the site to you.

i tried to do that, i told her i need her for every day she is available...

Move on. Sell the content.

Don't pay for makeup artists, $250 hotel rooms or photographers until you need to (if you really can't shoot get somebody that wants expierence.

Let the model bring a friend if she wants - explain up front that they might need to hang out in the other room during the shoot.

Don't let anybody use drugs or alcohol before or during the shoot.

Word. be glad that's all you spent on her...and that you're not building a site.

Btw.. what processor will you use..? CCbill? If so.. how were you able to use them..?

there is a great guy who is helping me with that... making me a sub account.. now i would say a thanks to him.. however i don't want to bring his name into this... i dont want to bring bad attention to his business in any way

What about the photographer? :winkwink:

I think you made quite a few poor business decisions. In a few years you'll look back and write this loss off as a lesson learned.

You should have taken the $3500 offer.. you would have still had all your equipment.. practically paid for.

i would have taken it... it was during negotiations... they said 3500... i said 4000... i was expecting them to say 3750 or something... but they came back with a complete NO

Why not make an avs site out of her content?
You won't need to pay for a ccbill account, you can promote it out the ass and use the additional content behind the avs as "bonus content".
You can still make a butt load of money, without additional expense.
My 2 cents.

i already have access to a ccbill account.....

I told you man. And I have a SHIT load of content to help you buddy. We can work it out and I will promote the fuck out of that site for you.

Ahhh. didn't realize you already had the ccbill acount.

Who had the upper hand in this situation? Big ol' Lightspeed or lil ol' you? The model wanted Lightspeed, and not you. You negotiated them to $3500 from $2500, which is very good for you. You cannot expect another business to clean your mess and pay the full bill. Asking for an extra $500 after they just agreed to give you $1000 extra seems like a reach, I think they initially were doing you a favor.

2500 barely covered my cost... i was just asking for 1500 for 2+ months of time put into it...

Good, launch the site.

thanks so much bro i really appreciate it, but like i told you on icq... i would feel too guilty accepting something for free.... and i am gonna have to say no... i dont want anyone to think i expect an easy ride anywhere.. i just really want what i truly believe i deserve..

bro.... how about find another model???

onemodelplace.com

i have found another model, but i also just bought some content... so now not getting paid for this.... I dont have enough to shoot....

What you should have done is taken the 3500 from lightspeed. Chalked the time you put into it as a learning expierence and tossed your pride aside. It's only 500 bucks, you paid that for makeup and an over priced hotel room. Both of which you could have saved money on. So honestly if you took the 3500 from Lightspeed, learned from it and put that 500 bucks aside to bad decisions the first time around you'd then not have to be asking advice on GFY and buring some bridges.

That 3500 could have gone a long way to shooting content with a new model.

I don't think she looks that good anyways. Sorry for the blow man, it sure is HARD to get a paysite going, especially with flaky hahahahas.

i know she doesn't look that good, in fact i'm sure she could be replaced with a stray dog who has been hit by a car and is partially retarded..

its just that i wanted to learn the ropes with her site.. from content production... to marketting.... but whatever.. i guess im fucked anyways.. i'll just have to make the best of a shitty situation... and i have an amazing group of people help me out... thanks again

An idea but a bit late...
 

I had to read through a few of the original posts again and I saw that you have been paying the model for the shoots, which means you're keeping 100% of the profits...

With Sahara's site we agreed from the begining as we'd been friends for a year before starting the site... She works for free... She gets 50% of the net and I pay for other models when necessary for g/g or b/g shoots.. And the result is ... No problems, as she has a regular income as an extra to all her other modelling work. We do one or two shoots a month for the site, which can be a couple of g/g stills sets and vids at a time or two sets of stills and 1 vid for b/g... Not many guys in the UK can cum twice in a couple of hrs... LOL, or we do three solo sets of stills and vids.

Next time make the model a 50/50 partner which is an incentive, if she works for others at the same time, so she builds a name for herself. Sahara has shot over 25 films in the last 3 months which will be released in the UK and USA this year, plus she appears on quite a few multi model sites. She's also planning a trip to NY next month to work with www.insex.com as she is a sub and a dom which gives her even more scope to be seen and so draw the surfers to her site.

I hope this bit of info helps you for future solo model site plans :)

NO WAY....I have tried it. It doesnt work. They do not have incentive unless they are getting paid. You have a rare girl there JoeA.

Good luck with the next one. :)

thanks mate :)

Wow, drama drama drama.

This is the first time that my mere appearance in a city has caused so many problems. Maybe I should change my name to "Darth Lightspeed"?

I tried to work this out for everyone, but it feels to me like the model has played us all, so I withdrew my offer for her.

This sums up what happened from my perspective:

I went to Vancouver to meet Steve and his models. I agreed to start with 5 girls, of 9 possible. Steve wanted Mandy in the first 5, but I didn't think she was the right look for Lightspeed. When i found out sonofsam had content of her, i said i won't shoot her at all. She had a cow and blamed him and refused to work with him anymore. So we tried to salvage this by offering to buy out sonofsam. But think about this.... why would I want to PAY EXTRA for a girl i DIDN'T REALLY WANT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

But I prefer to be nice, so let's find a way to work it out.

Today, after 10 days of haggling, i thought we agreed on $3500, and I asked for an NDA (to avoid sonofsam crying on gfy, call it a premonition) -- he raised the price another $500 --- deal breaker. Now here we are, I look like the villian.

I suggest to Sam that he sell his interest in this girl to someone else who she is willing to work with. He called me a snake and a dick, so fuck it, sorry for trying to work it out.

Steve Lightspeed

WHAT THE FUCK.. HOW DARE YOU TWIST MY WORDS!?

i told you... "btw i suggest better communication between you and the camming boss next time... because when u tell me u arn't going to shoot her... and he tells me you are.... it makes you LOOK like a snake"

and yes i did call you a dick.. why? because you said "i'm done with you... run along now"

Nice post.

Good to hear both sides of what went down.

Seems there was to much time and headaches over a c list girl in my opinion

i can't believe u came here with "you called me a snake" ... you said "way to insult me" in the icq convo and i explained i wasnt calling you a snake and saying it made you look like a snake...

sonofsam, dude... what are you doing? Just work out a deal and get this over with. You're stepping on your own feet when you have people standing right next to you showing you how to walk.

You all got hosed by the model. Why be pissed at one another about it? It comes with the territory man, it isn't the first time you're going to have model problems and lose money. This is business, it comes with a certain degree of risk... sometimes the risk pays off, sometimes you get hosed. The trick is to take full advantage of the "pay off" situations and learn from your mistakes in the "hosed" situations.

Any of the Lightspeed girls look better than this chick.



Son of Sam, I think the whole situation is pretty fucked. Not by you, not by Steve, but by the model. She is obviously looking out for #1, which is herself. She would drop you like a turd at the chance to work with Lightspeed. Then again, if someone else offered her a dime more than Lightspeed I'm sure she would tell him "ain't it a bitch" and give him "good luck" in the industry too.



Shitty situation for all the people involved.

without a doubt you should have taken the 3500...

STOP LOOKING AT IT FROM YOUR ANGLE...

why counter offer 4,000 when from their angle the thoughts would be, wtf do i get for 4,000... a few photos they could shoot in one day?

they wont use the website, they'd design one of their own to fit in with their styles...

so really, only the content, and who pays 4k for a few sets, i mean really? would you?

so what if the 4k means he gets her exclusive? single girl sites are becoming a dime a dozen, girls who want to do their own site are getting easy to find, it'll be easier to get some one else rather then pay you out for that bitch.

sit down, take some breaths, look it the issue from every angle and take the fucking money while you can...

shit having a single girl site is only one tenth of the battle, good luck promoting it and making money from it... you'll be spending more then 4k in promotion before you see some returns - and you'll still be in debt...

this whole mess sucks shit..