ARS / HSN = ifriends ? Anyone here have the info ? - GoFuckYourself.com

will76 · 03-15-2005, 05:24 PM

I've heard a few people post that HSN is using ifriends backend and processing. I've gone to homesexnetwork.com but it does not look like they are anyway related to ifriends. I have even created an account with them. Anyone have any info ?

Thanks

After Shock Media · 03-15-2005, 05:30 PM

99.999% sure they are not affiliated.

Michael O · 03-15-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the fungi

99.999% sure they are not affiliated.

And you still got it wrong.

will76 · 03-15-2005, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the fungi

99.999% sure they are not affiliated.

It doesnt look like that but there were a few post in a previous thread from people that said differently. I was just trying to get to the bottom of it. If i did up the post I will put them here.

Michael O · 03-15-2005, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I've heard a few people post that HSN is using ifriends backend and processing. I've gone to homesexnetwork.com but it does not look like they are anyway related to ifriends. I have even created an account with them. Anyone have any info ?

Thanks

Do a search on their board for ifriends

After Shock Media · 03-15-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

And you still got it wrong.

Ok and that would be why I did not say 100%

will76 · 03-15-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Do a search on their board for ifriends

This was posted by lazy cash:

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Originally Posted by lazycash

HSN has had a mass exodus because of the huge drop in ratios across the board and unfortunately ARS hands are tied right now because they are having to use ifriends processing. I've watched my income fall in half overnight and am still using HSN even though I should now probably be using CC because of the higher payouts since they both have the same backend and processing. I've mostly stuck with HSN out of loyalty, rewards points and far superior webmaster support and promo materials in comparison to CC, but I may have to change if HSN doesn't come up with an alternative soon.

I want to find out the latest. Anyone have any real info on this, no bullshit.

will76 · 03-15-2005, 06:00 PM

Ok i searched and came up with nothing ??

Lycanthrope · 03-15-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

And you still got it wrong.

will76 · 03-15-2005, 06:11 PM

LOL cut out the bullshit, anyone have anything of substance to add ?

Michael O · 03-15-2005, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Ok i searched and came up with nothing ??

Go ask on their board or contact their webmaster support if you want to know whats going on.

washiez · 03-15-2005, 06:41 PM

Homesexnetwork IS using Ifriends as their backend. Same processing, same models, etc.

A bunch of us are patiently waiting until ARS makes their own cam site and gives ifriends the boot. Conversions have gone down considerably since their switch.

lazycash · 03-15-2005, 06:52 PM

Will, what else do you need to know, its still the same situation with HSN as I explained to you before, there was no bullshit. ARS/HSN reached an agreement with ifriends to use them as their backend starting Jan 4th of this year. Prior to that ARS had been using a third party processor to do the cc verify and then directing to another cam network backend. ARS severed their relationship with that backend and reached an agreement with ifriends. Along with this agreement ARS no longer uses the third party processesor and ifriends does it now. So long story short, if you are promoting ARS/HSN, your surfer goes through the HSN promo pages and is then directed to ifriends processing from the join page and ultimately to their cam network once approved.

HSN is still paying $25/join and $40 on fridays. At this point, the only reason to use HSN instead of ifriends is because of their better promotional materials, excellent support and reward points. However, many former HSN webmasters just didn't feel that was enough to make up for the $15 difference in payouts.

Nothing has changed as far as the huge drop in conversion ratios once ifriends took over the processing in January. Webmasters who still send traffic to HSN are only doing 25-60% of what they were doing before the ifriends processing changeover. HSN webmasters doing test signups are still getting their perfectly good cc declined and ifriends continues to explain it as extra high scrubbing. I was averaging 100+ signups/weekly on HSN for well over a year and the conversion ratios were like clockwork week after week month after month. Since the changeover my average dropped to 40/weekly and my conversion ratios fell from 1/48 to 1/116 for Jan and Feb. I've weened my cam traffic from them and am now back to converting 1/45 on another cc verify cam program paying $25. I'd like to send all my traffic to ifriends, but it just doesn't generate the highest $/unique despite the higher payout.

will76 · 03-15-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Will, what else do you need to know, its still the same situation with HSN as I explained to you before, there was no bullshit. ARS/HSN reached an agreement with ifriends to use them as their backend starting Jan 4th of this year. Prior to that ARS had been using a third party processor to do the cc verify and then directing to another cam network backend. ARS severed their relationship with that backend and reached an agreement with ifriends. Along with this agreement ARS no longer uses the third party processesor and ifriends does it now. So long story short, if you are promoting ARS/HSN, your surfer goes through the HSN promo pages and is then directed to ifriends processing from the join page and ultimately to their cam network once approved.

HSN is still paying $25/join and $40 on fridays. At this point, the only reason to use HSN instead of ifriends is because of their better promotional materials, excellent support and reward points. However, many former HSN webmasters just didn't feel that was enough to make up for the $15 difference in payouts.

Nothing has changed as far as the huge drop in conversion ratios once ifriends took over the processing in January. Webmasters who still send traffic to HSN are only doing 25-60% of what they were doing before the ifriends processing changeover. HSN webmasters doing test signups are still getting their perfectly good cc declined and ifriends continues to explain it as extra high scrubbing. I was averaging 100+ signups/weekly on HSN for well over a year and the conversion ratios were like clockwork week after week month after month. Since the changeover my average dropped to 40/weekly and my conversion ratios fell from 1/48 to 1/116 for Jan and Feb. I've weened my cam traffic from them and am now back to converting 1/45 on another cc verify cam program paying $25. I'd like to send all my traffic to ifriends, but it just doesn't generate the highest $/unique despite the higher payout.

Thanks, the " cut the bullshit " comments where for the people posting silly shit here.

I went to HSN, and i created a new account, i talked to models there and ask them if they show up on ifriends and some where like " ifriends whats that" seems the models know nothing about ifriends and the site looks nothing like it. There are only a fraction of the models listed on HSN compared to ifriends?? I see no connection and the models seem to know nothing about it thats why i posted this again. DO you see any relationship between the two other then what you heard.

Even the signup process. It looks noting like ifriends signup pages/info collected, there are no fan clubs, or any of the extras that ifriends offers. Is it visable in anyway that they are working together ?

has there been any offical statements from HSN (ARS) about this, I would love to read them.... just trying to get educated over here not looking to bash anyone.

Thanks

washiez · 03-15-2005, 07:01 PM

Will did you type in athomesexnetwork.com? You will see ifriends influence.. and you can easily see it through their 2257 page.

You most likely signed up through homesexnetwork.com which is owned by Castview.. arses old backend. Those models indeed would know nothing about ifriends.

lazycash · 03-15-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by washiez

Will did you type in athomesexnetwork.com? You will see ifriends influence.. and you can easily see it through their 2257 page.

You most likely signed up through homesexnetwork.com which is owned by Castview.. arses old backend. Those models indeed would know nothing about ifriends.

Yep this is what happened, interesting how Cast View homesexnetwork.com's webmaster link at the bottom still goes to ARS even though they are no longer affiliated. Will the best proof is ARS athomesexnetwork.com whois info:
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.WEBPOWER.COM 205.246.203.21
NS2.WEBPOWER.COM 65.212.89.21

Will do an ars/hsn test signup, i'm curious if you get declined. Will since you seem to have the inside track to ifriends and are a heavy promoter, what do you think of their sneaky $6.95 monthly vip rebill? Their normal cc verify join defaults the surfer to the $6.95 monthly vip status and the surfer has to click through a bunch of obscure very small links once inside to cancel it. I did a test signup in Jan. via hsn and started getting the charge in Feb. I then asked around to a bunch of big ifriend promoters who knew about it from surfer complaints because its marketed as free. Just curious what your take on it is.

lazycash · 03-15-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by washiez

Homesexnetwork IS using Ifriends as their backend. Same processing, same models, etc.

A bunch of us are patiently waiting until ARS makes their own cam site and gives ifriends the boot. Conversions have gone down considerably since their switch.

Wash I'd like to think that Marc De could come up with his own network, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon if ever. I'm sure he investigated all his options, but it takes a tremendous amount of up front capital and resources to start a cam network. Especially one the size to justify the payouts I know Marc would want to be competitive. I'm waiting, but not holding my breath. I wish they would have been able to get something going with tricams and clubxlive.com before they created their affiliate program www.lazydollars.com

BlueQuartz · 03-15-2005, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Will, what else do you need to know, its still the same situation with HSN as I explained to you before, there was no bullshit. ARS/HSN reached an agreement with ifriends to use them as their backend starting Jan 4th of this year. Prior to that ARS had been using a third party processor to do the cc verify and then directing to another cam network backend. ARS severed their relationship with that backend and reached an agreement with ifriends. Along with this agreement ARS no longer uses the third party processesor and ifriends does it now. So long story short, if you are promoting ARS/HSN, your surfer goes through the HSN promo pages and is then directed to ifriends processing from the join page and ultimately to their cam network once approved.

HSN is still paying $25/join and $40 on fridays. At this point, the only reason to use HSN instead of ifriends is because of their better promotional materials, excellent support and reward points. However, many former HSN webmasters just didn't feel that was enough to make up for the $15 difference in payouts.

Nothing has changed as far as the huge drop in conversion ratios once ifriends took over the processing in January. Webmasters who still send traffic to HSN are only doing 25-60% of what they were doing before the ifriends processing changeover. HSN webmasters doing test signups are still getting their perfectly good cc declined and ifriends continues to explain it as extra high scrubbing. I was averaging 100+ signups/weekly on HSN for well over a year and the conversion ratios were like clockwork week after week month after month. Since the changeover my average dropped to 40/weekly and my conversion ratios fell from 1/48 to 1/116 for Jan and Feb. I've weened my cam traffic from them and am now back to converting 1/45 on another cc verify cam program paying $25. I'd like to send all my traffic to ifriends, but it just doesn't generate the highest $/unique despite the higher payout.

hey great post man - very informative

washiez · 03-15-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Wash I'd like to think that Marc De could come up with his own network, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon if ever. I'm sure he investigated all his options, but it takes a tremendous amount of up front capital and resources to start a cam network. Especially one the size to justify the payouts I know Marc would want to be competitive. I'm waiting, but not holding my breath. I wish they would have been able to get something going with tricams and clubxlive.com before they created their affiliate program www.lazydollars.com

I am confident that Marc and co will come up with a very nice cam program and I don't think its as far as away as you think. They very well know that Ifriends is not it. I think this will be a learning experience for them. Don't give up control to third parties such as Castview or Ifriends. That way they can make a lot more money.. for them and for us.

will76 · 03-16-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by washiez

Will did you type in athomesexnetwork.com? You will see ifriends influence.. and you can easily see it through their 2257 page.

You most likely signed up through homesexnetwork.com which is owned by Castview.. arses old backend. Those models indeed would know nothing about ifriends.

Ok just so i have this straight....

homesexnetwork (hsexnetwork.com) does not use ifriends.
athomesexnetwork (athomesexnetwork.com) uses ifriends.

So do you guys advertise the athome site of the hsex site ?

will76 · 03-16-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Yep this is what happened, interesting how Cast View homesexnetwork.com's webmaster link at the bottom still goes to ARS even though they are no longer affiliated. Will the best proof is ARS athomesexnetwork.com whois info:
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.WEBPOWER.COM 205.246.203.21
NS2.WEBPOWER.COM 65.212.89.21

Will do an ars/hsn test signup, i'm curious if you get declined. Will since you seem to have the inside track to ifriends and are a heavy promoter, what do you think of their sneaky $6.95 monthly vip rebill? Their normal cc verify join defaults the surfer to the $6.95 monthly vip status and the surfer has to click through a bunch of obscure very small links once inside to cancel it. I did a test signup in Jan. via hsn and started getting the charge in Feb. I then asked around to a bunch of big ifriend promoters who knew about it from surfer complaints because its marketed as free. Just curious what your take on it is.

I was able to signup to ( hsexnetwork.com ) with no problems, However that user name and password does not work on (athomesexnetwork.com) and the same card does not work on athomesexnetwork. I know i have used this card previously for ifriends.

Yes, Ifriends normal signup page has the default 6.95 checked. Tricky, sure I think it's a little tricky, but its not dishonest IMO, and I think it is marketing, no different then what most other sites do. They don't force you to do the membership like AVS sites, who claim to be free but then you are forced to signup for a free pass to a site that rebills at 34.95 a month. At least with this you can cancel it before the billing starts ( un check it ). Also, from what I have heard it is very easy to get the charge off of your card. Just like the Fan Club signups, I hear the models complaining all the time that ifriends refunds customers money from the Fan Club signups.

03-15-2005, 05:24 PM	#1
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03-15-2005, 06:41 PM	#12
washiez Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,118	Homesexnetwork IS using Ifriends as their backend. Same processing, same models, etc. A bunch of us are patiently waiting until ARS makes their own cam site and gives ifriends the boot. Conversions have gone down considerably since their switch. __________________ every click counts...

03-15-2005, 06:52 PM	#13
lazycash Troll Patrol Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Local Socal Posts: 15,214	Will, what else do you need to know, its still the same situation with HSN as I explained to you before, there was no bullshit. ARS/HSN reached an agreement with ifriends to use them as their backend starting Jan 4th of this year. Prior to that ARS had been using a third party processor to do the cc verify and then directing to another cam network backend. ARS severed their relationship with that backend and reached an agreement with ifriends. Along with this agreement ARS no longer uses the third party processesor and ifriends does it now. So long story short, if you are promoting ARS/HSN, your surfer goes through the HSN promo pages and is then directed to ifriends processing from the join page and ultimately to their cam network once approved. HSN is still paying $25/join and $40 on fridays. At this point, the only reason to use HSN instead of ifriends is because of their better promotional materials, excellent support and reward points. However, many former HSN webmasters just didn't feel that was enough to make up for the $15 difference in payouts. Nothing has changed as far as the huge drop in conversion ratios once ifriends took over the processing in January. Webmasters who still send traffic to HSN are only doing 25-60% of what they were doing before the ifriends processing changeover. HSN webmasters doing test signups are still getting their perfectly good cc declined and ifriends continues to explain it as extra high scrubbing. I was averaging 100+ signups/weekly on HSN for well over a year and the conversion ratios were like clockwork week after week month after month. Since the changeover my average dropped to 40/weekly and my conversion ratios fell from 1/48 to 1/116 for Jan and Feb. I've weened my cam traffic from them and am now back to converting 1/45 on another cc verify cam program paying $25. I'd like to send all my traffic to ifriends, but it just doesn't generate the highest $/unique despite the higher payout. __________________ "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams.. Its crazy..." VenusBlogger

03-15-2005, 07:01 PM	#15
washiez Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,118	Will did you type in athomesexnetwork.com? You will see ifriends influence.. and you can easily see it through their 2257 page. You most likely signed up through homesexnetwork.com which is owned by Castview.. arses old backend. Those models indeed would know nothing about ifriends. __________________ every click counts...

03-15-2005, 05:30 PM	#2
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	99.999% sure they are not affiliated.

03-15-2005, 06:00 PM	#8
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Ok i searched and came up with nothing ??

03-15-2005, 06:11 PM	#10
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	LOL cut out the bullshit, anyone have anything of substance to add ?