IBILL PAYS US GKARD CLIENTS MARCH 15th

[DEA - banned for life]

Just got this email in my Spam box from IBILL :

Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:36:45 -0500


March 07, 2005


Dear iBill Clients,



iBill is excited to announce the launch of gkard Secured, a service of M2 Secure. gkard Secured has been established to create an additional measure of assurance that client funds will be paid to merchants on time.



gkard Secured is part of a series of steps that iBill's new management is taking to address legitimate concerns in the billing industry and as to iBill specifically.



gkard Secured highlights are:



· gkard Secured payments are NOT touched by iBill;

· gkard Secured controls settlement and payout files end-to-end for gkard Secured;

· gkard Secured is operated by an independent payment services company NOT affiliated with iBill;

· gkard Secured uses its own merchant account for gkard Loads, not the iBill merchant account;

· Real-time transaction data will remain accessible on iBill CMI;

· Secured payouts are available on gkard Secured only;





For more information on gkard Secured, please go to http://www.gkbill.com and access the SECURE PAYMENT tab.



The gkard Secured payout program specifics are listed below:



gkard Secured officially launches with the March 15, 2005 payout;
· The March 15 payout will be for all gkard transactions that occurred from February 16, 2005 through February 28, 2005;

All accounts will maintain their current payout cycle with the amounts based upon iBill's client agreements and the payout information provided to M2 Secure by iBill;
Funds will be sent via wire transfer and ACH only (for your convenience, gkard Secured will use the existing merchant banking information on file at iBill).
Please note: YOUR ACCOUNT IS CURRENTLY BEING PAID VIA CHECK. Since you are currently set to be paid via check, you will be receiving an additional email with instructions on how to update your banking information to either ACH or Wire. You can also go to http://www.ibill.com/merchantinfo/updatebankinginfo.cfm for online instructions on how to update your banking information. To ensure payout on March 15, 2005, you will need to update your account with valid banking information by no later than March 10, 2005. If you have any questions or concerns regarding this new payout program, please contact either your sales manager or client services via [email protected] and [email protected] respectively.



Any gkard, online check and web900 transactions PRIOR to February 16, 2005 will be paid out directly from iBill to the clients and will be the sole responsibility of iBill.



For FAQ's on gkard Secured, please go to http://www.ibill.com/support/securedpayoutFAQ.cfm.



Over the next several weeks, there will be new features and benefits added to the gkard Secured payout program. As iBill and M2 Secure have more updated information regarding these future enhancements, news will be posted.



Thank you.



iBill and M2 Secure


Lets see if this pans out ....also SEE SIG !

[directfiesta]

I am waiting for the Super Secured one .....








just more BS to run away with the $$$$

[DEA - banned for life]

Either im the only ass nugget left who actually processed Gkard sales with IBill over the last few months...or theres a mad dash to IBILLS website to confirm banking information for wires

[TheLegacy]

PSST - People have been shot for less

[TheWylders]

I don't know about anybody else, but I'm in a mad rush to add my gkard links back on my join pages.....






















NOT

[solonline]

would never trust em again - 1 time bitten etc -

[imageman]

Nobody wants Gkard, nobody is using Gkard. If webmasters wanted another more secure billing option they would go to CCbill or Epoch. Oh! and guess what 99% of Ibills webmasters have already swapped to another processor. Die Ibill die.

Just pay out the fucking money you owe and stop trying to fund it with newbie webmasters money..

[camcutie]

[killshot]

A check will be nice.. but it's only for feb 16-28... i would prefer a check from sept 16-feb28

[killshot]

ok.. the email told me that i am currently set to recieve payment by check instead of ACH... which i thought was strange because i always took ACH from them..

so i logged into the merchant info area.. and i was still set for ACH... so i just hit the button to confirm again and will hope for the best

[Webby]

Originally Posted by DEA

iBill is excited ...

Excited?? It obviously takes little to get em excited.

I'd be excited to see em pay the webmasters they signed legal agreements to pay - and avoid a legal suit - but they failed on them as well.

Now we got the word "secured" tacked to the end of gkard - more picture-painting and little substance.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by killshot

ok.. the email told me that i am currently set to recieve payment by check instead of ACH... which i thought was strange because i always took ACH from them..

so i logged into the merchant info area.. and i was still set for ACH... so i just hit the button to confirm again and will hope for the best

Button pressing with iBill is a habit - heard that one, must be 300 times now.

It's better to see the check cashed

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by killshot

so i logged into the merchant info area.. and i was still set for ACH... so i just hit the button to confirm again and will hope for the best

Thank you for updating your merchant info. We will be reviewing the new info in proper time, which is no sooner than June 2005.
Meanwhile, we will be moving forward with the appropriation of webmasters funds.

Thank you all for your donations

Ibill Team.

[ibill-fraud]

Here is what they said in the email to all of us quote:
"gkard Secured is operated by an independent payment services
company NOT affiliated with iBill"

Well gkard is partly owned by IBD which was shown on the IBD website and IBD owns Ibill and Penthouse owns IBD which owns IBD and thus owns some of gkard and Ibill. So in other words this is yet another step in this fraud shell game that has been playing with us of all since back in August. The same people that have been lying to us are still in control of things.

I wonder if by some means they get their hands on that first data money, where will that money go? Then posting that they have no plans to pay us for past due isn't a good sign.

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by killshot

ok.. the email told me that i am currently set to recieve payment by check instead of ACH... which i thought was strange because i always took ACH from them..

so i logged into the merchant info area.. and i was still set for ACH... so i just hit the button to confirm again and will hope for the best

hmmm and here i was thinking optimisitc due to getting 2 emails...1 sayin i needed to confirm my ach or wire infor or if i recived payment by mail <which is my case> i would need to change over to wire of ach....and the second saying "your not set for wire or ach click here and set it up"......

Knowing you were already set up for ACH and still got the second email took that smidgen of optimisim right out from under my feet..although maybe since technically its a new "secured" payment program its confirming everyones info. .....

hopfully we wont get a march 16th cmi update stating "Sorry for the delay in payment We have had some techinal
difficulties with our new bank sending out the payments under the new secured system, Another update in CMI will be posted ....."

[thaifan99]

Wait for the $$$........ one day they will come!

[ibill-fraud]

Btw, here is the link to the IBD website which clearly shows they own both Penthouse and Ggard. The gFraud as i call it.
http://www.interactivebranddevelopment.com/

[Webby]

Originally Posted by ibill-fraud

Here is what they said in the email to all of us quote:
"gkard Secured is operated by an independent payment services
company NOT affiliated with iBill"

Well gkard is partly owned by IBD which was shown on the IBD website and IBD owns Ibill and Penthouse owns IBD which owns IBD and thus owns some of gkard and Ibill. So in other words this is yet another step in this fraud shell game that has been playing with us of all since back in August. The same people that have been lying to us are still in control of things.

I wonder if by some means they get their hands on that first data money, where will that money go? Then posting that they have no plans to pay us for past due isn't a good sign.

Ah... was just going to say that... it's still more picture-painting.

That is all they are fucking useful for - shuffling papers to present a perception, and, as we know, perception is everything :-)

I noticed Jason is still out there proclaiming the benefits of PHSL and associated shit to potential shareholders. He must think there are retards born every minute - well yea, he may be right on that one!

Sheesh... they are pathetic.

[brand0n]

wait till you see the $

[ibill-fraud]

Originally Posted by brand0n

wait till you see the $

If you look at the email, we won't be seeing the dollars. It stated you will only get paid for gkard transactions from Feb16th - Feb 28th. Our next payment should have been for transactions from Dec. 1st - Dec. 15th.

Now keep in mind, we have been processing with gkard through ibill since around Nov. 1st of 2004. So when are they going to be catching up on these past due payments????

[Zprogramz]

LolololOLOL

[Webby]

Originally Posted by ibill-fraud

Now keep in mind, we have been processing with gkard through ibill since around Nov. 1st of 2004. So when are they going to be catching up on these past due payments????

Same with most bullshit IF - only one question needs answered and that is:

Where is the fucking money for months after October 2004 covering gkard, phone billing and cards??

We can guess on at least some of the card funds - in banks. As for the rest?????????????

Honesty and transparency are nice things

Now Jason.... where did you put the money? I know you value "real" money and you stuffed it someplace safe to protect all webmasters.

[TheWylders]

iBill can now declare bankruptcy and nobody gets paid the money owed, and gkard can go forward from here operating as a new company in the business 'NOT affiliated with iBill' so iBill gets there cake and eats it too! We don't get paid, and iBill still continues to do business legally with a brand new name and look. FUCKERS!!!

[Webby]

Originally Posted by TheWylders

iBill can now declare bankruptcy and nobody gets paid the money owed, and gkard can go forward from here operating as a new company in the business 'NOT affiliated with iBill' so iBill gets there cake and eats it too! We don't get paid, and iBill still continues to do business legally with a brand new name and look. FUCKERS!!!

Nobody is going no place on that basis - tho perhaps into a jail cell.

Tho agree on the bankruptcy shit - chances are they are already bankrupt - "technically".

The day a liquidator takes control is the day I'll be happier - we may get 5 cents on the dollar, buy some popcorn and watch the trial.

[Theo]

gkard is toasted like ibill
i dont think anyone believes the opposite....not even them lol

[ibill-fraud]

Originally Posted by TheWylders

iBill can now declare bankruptcy and nobody gets paid the money owed, and gkard can go forward from here operating as a new company in the business 'NOT affiliated with iBill' so iBill gets there cake and eats it too! We don't get paid, and iBill still continues to do business legally with a brand new name and look. FUCKERS!!!

gkard has been affiliated with Ibill since Nov. 1st when they started collecting payments for Ibill. Though the email would have u believe this is brand new relationship.

So ibill/media billing/IBD/Penthouse has already written off all of Sept/Oct money from ever being paid off and Jason himself lied to us all in the conference saying that promissory notes would be made by board members to pay off that money.

They did actually pay off all of Nov. monies owed though now want to write off yet another 2 1/2 months (Dec - Feb 15th) for all monies collected under gkard and expect people to believe that going forward gkard will be honest company with no affiliation with ibill/media billing/IBD/Penthouse, oh btw you will still be able to see all gkard payments in ibill cmi just like before.

gkard/ibill/media billing/ibd/penthouse has obligation to pay webmasters for past due money owed and isn't in a position to pick and choose which dates are worthy of paying and which aren't. Bankruptcy won't save gkard for these obligations. The fact that Visa/MasterCard and the attorney generals of these states allow this fraud to continue is beyond my belief.

If First Data pays Ibill now they will be helping Ibill commit fraud since Ibill has stated through the gkard email has stated they have no intention of ever paying webmasters the money owed. First Data would also be in violation of Visa/MasterCard regulations and should also be denied any right to process MasterCard/Visa transaction in the future.

[Kimmykim]

Oh the irony of them choosing the ides of March to annouce a possible payment. Shakespeare would be proud, if he's not rolling over in his grave.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Oh the irony of them choosing the ides of March to annouce a possible payment. Shakespeare would be proud, if he's not rolling over in his grave.

The bard is not rolling in his grave KK... he's spinning so fast his body parts are flying all over.

[DEA - banned for life]

Webby,
How is it that you show up in every IBILL Thread and have more to say than the people actually involved in this situation with somthing to lose? Your Post are quite often 2 and 3 times longer than IBILL's own Emails and CMI Statments

[Webby]

Originally Posted by DEA

Webby,
How is it that you show up in every IBILL Thread and have more to say than the people actually involved in this situation with somthing to lose? Your Post are quite often 2 and 3 times longer than IBILL's own Emails and CMI Statments

What makes you think I'm not involved and have something to lose??

Oh.. these assumptions again!!

Yea.. well, that is fair on the post length - mainly because iBill have shit to say and even that is padded out with future looking views and "forward looking" statements.

I got plenty more to say about iBill and ain't even started yet!!! Try getting a clue from the sig.

[Sosa]

i don't expect any money. I just want the money i'm owed from way back when. fuck the gkard shit

[webspider]

Originally Posted by Sosa

i don't expect any money. I just want the money i'm owed from way back when. fuck the gkard shit

Yeah, all of use burned want the owed money.

As to trusting them again, right... they can forget ultra extra max secured gkards.

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by Webby

What makes you think I'm not involved and have something to lose??

Oh.. these assumptions again!!

Yea.. well, that is fair on the post length - mainly because iBill have shit to say and even that is padded out with future looking views and "forward looking" statements.

I got plenty more to say about iBill and ain't even started yet!!! Try getting a clue from the sig.

Here is where i obtained my "assumptions"

Originally Posted by Webby

tony404:



First... I am owed money, tho not enough to warrant spending travel time/legal fees on that aspect.

Second, if you think I am bitching now, you ain't seen the start of it which could continue for several years on other matters.

Third... Why would you even think that "50% of the bashers are not iBill customers"? I am one that is pissed off iBill is even allowed to operate one day more, - not for any reason of gain or any ulterior motive as suggested, - but simply that it is my opinion they are unfit to handle any funds and that these are better off being distributed by a liquidator. Especially any funds forthcoming from First Data.

Finally... I don't have any problems with iBill or any reason than otherwise stated above, to see them hit the dirt. Preferably, I'd like to see a continuance of iBill as a third party processor. However, based on all the unfullfilled promises, lies, non-payment blah... there has to be a time of reckoning and settlement, whether this is in monetary value or otherwise.

Fundamentally.. this is all common sense stuff. Living some dream and listening to lies from a debtor is miles away from any reality. iBill are up shit creek with little hope, tho I do wish them well if they are making an effort despite all their bullshit.

Im sure i could find more on how you supposeddly are the biggest anti-ibll cheerleader due to your opinion on whos fit or unfit to handle funds...but as you can see here http://www.gfy.com/search.php?searchid=77326 that since the search only went 20 pages back...and 97% of your post deal with the ibill subject..theres just way too much "webby propaganda" for 1 man who actually has somthing to lose too weed through :2 cents

[Paul Markham]

The fact that Visa/MasterCard and the attorney generals of these states allow this fraud to continue is beyond my belief.

Visa/MC are taking 5% of what ever is still going through.

The AG might be waiting for Jason to commit a crime he can't get out of.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by DEA

Here is where i obtained my "assumptions"

Im sure i could find more on how you supposeddly are the biggest anti-ibll cheerleader due to your opinion on whos fit or unfit to handle funds...blah blah

OK DEA.... First don't assume anything. Second... I ain't no cheerleader (or anti-cheerleader), for anyone.

On iBill - if you are of the opionion iBill are able to handle funds - that is your opinion and, despite I sure as hell don't agree - I respect your opionion. I *know* iBill are "unfit to handle funds" - they have proven it - and that is not simply my opinion. What does it matter what either my opinions or yours are? It does not take an "opinion" on iBill - the facts are known.

It is irrelevant how much or how little funds are owed - I don't give one flying fuck if it is one dime or $10mill. I've already said all this shit - ain't gonna repeat it yet again.

But, I will be continuing on the iBill subject - of that you are assured - keep checking back or else ignore the posts. Your choice!

[Webby]

Originally Posted by charly

Visa/MC are taking 5% of what ever is still going through.

The AG might be waiting for Jason to commit a crime he can't get out of.

Time is a great healer and resolver charly.

[POed-poster]

If they have enough money to pay out gkard sales from february, why can't they pay me what they owe me from Sep, Oct, Nov, and Jan?

NOW I KNOW HOW OJ FELT!

[Cogitator]

It's interesting how they never come out and just say "We lost our merchant account and are having a hard time getting a new one".

[DebsDeep]

They are still full of crap. I emailed my Rep yesterday and asked him these questions

Since they are supposedly paying on march 15th why dont they give us a clue on a LARGE amount of money owed from sept15up

When will firstdata be releasing our money and will it be direct to us.

His reply was
" I have no more information than whats been provided in the email"

WTF what exactly is his job?
Debs

[DEA - banned for life]

Originally Posted by Webby

OK DEA.... First don't assume anything. Second... I ain't no cheerleader (or anti-cheerleader), for anyone.

On iBill - if you are of the opionion iBill are able to handle funds - that is your opinion and, despite I sure as hell don't agree - I respect your opionion. I *know* iBill are "unfit to handle funds" - they have proven it - and that is not simply my opinion. What does it matter what either my opinions or yours are? It does not take an "opinion" on iBill - the facts are known.

It is irrelevant how much or how little funds are owed - I don't give one flying fuck if it is one dime or $10mill. I've already said all this shit - ain't gonna repeat it yet again.

But, I will be continuing on the iBill subject - of that you are assured - keep checking back or else ignore the posts. Your choice!

I didnt Assume..i went by your quoates from previous posts.you said on neumerous occasions that you have no real stake in ibills demise or success..and i was just pointing out the fact you post more than any other person has to say onthis situation..Also in alot of the ibill threads you post in say sumtin nthe effect of "i know more on this subject but cant reveal what i know right now or on here...yadda yadda yadda..."....this seem to be similiar the complaints you have about ibills public statments...as much as you may have insider information that most of us dont have access to...coming on gfy and implying your secret information confirms everything you say is somewhat rediculous...sorry if im the one whos pointing it out....but im just curious to your real motives....if the employoess of the local wal-mart went on strike..i would find it a little strange that the most vocal and agressive striker holding his sign the highest and screaming the loudest through the megaphone wasnt even an employee himself...Sorry if i offended you with the cheerleading comment ..was just a expression and i ment no disrespect.

As for your continued post about ibill....keep em coming ..they make no difference on wether i receive a check or not...and im definitly not on Ibills side in this situation..im just another US webmaster that wouldnt complain if they got a check from ibill no matter what the amount or for what time period.....i dont know aboutanyone else but to me MONEY =MONEY no matter how you look at it......and if there sending out money..hell put my name on da mutha fuckin list

[dcortez]

Originally Posted by DEA

gkard Secured officially launches with the March 15, 2005 payout;
· The March 15 payout will be for all gkard transactions that occurred from February 16, 2005 through February 28, 2005;


Any gkard, online check and web900 transactions PRIOR to February 16, 2005 will be paid out directly from iBill to the clients and will be the sole responsibility of iBill.

gkard 'secured' gets paid and gkard (prior to Feb/16) do NOT get paid (yet)?

I'm sure if I tried using the name 'gkard lite' for my own business purposes, someone would have something to say about brand infringement.

But, they can make a distinction between 'gkard' and 'gkard secured' - how these guys have not been charged with fraud yet amazes me.

They have weasled their way out of paying the earlier gkard webmasters. As I understand gkard was released after their major financial disaster and it was supposed to be free of the payment problems associated with their prior mismanagements.

If they have not made any payouts on gkard and now have a different system for 'gkard secure', this sure smells like fraud. Late payments are one thing but arbitrarily skipping over paying webmasters who were assured that going with gard was not going to be plagued by the old problems is very questionable.

Yah, yah, I know - it's iBill and the 'good company' has nothing to do with iBill.

Does anyone know if the Department of Justice has been brought into the iBill scams yet?

-Dino

[adonthenet]

we can just hope..

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by adonthenet

we can just hope..

Fuck hope...

I see one of these assholes in my way, I shove them a pile of " secured" GKard up their ass....

Meanwhile, I told IRS to collect their money from them, not me....

That is called " a transfer of debt"...

Fuck Ibill.

[Kevsh]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Fuck hope...

I see one of these assholes in my way, I shove them a pile of " secured" GKard up their ass....

Meanwhile, I told IRS to collect their money from them, not me....

That is called " a transfer of debt"...

Fuck Ibill.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Fuck hope...

I see one of these assholes in my way, I shove them a pile of " secured" GKard up their ass....

Meanwhile, I told IRS to collect their money from them, not me....

That is called " a transfer of debt"...

Fuck Ibill.

The irs can do that ? Did you get it in writing ?

[keyboard warrior]

WILL SOMEBODY go to the main IBLL office and go in there and demand your fucking money! If i lived close i would be there in a heartbeat!

G-CARD sales will = 2 cents.......fuck that shit PAY ME THE PAST AMOUNT DUE! NOT G-CARD SHIT!

[pornguy]

Looks to me like the start of a last ditch effort to save themselves.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by tony404

The irs can do that ? Did you get it in writing ?

Absolutely ... They are after THEIR money, and will go to all extent to collect it...It dioesn't get you off the hook in case Ibill does not pay, but let me tell you they have more illimited powers than you and I and all GFY'rs.... together

Basically, you are transferring your right to your receivable in their favor up to the amount that YOU owe them ... They do not need to go to court for seizure papers, they have their own judges and law ...

[iforgotmyscreenname]

well we will find out tommorrow if there going to pay or come up with more excuses..tick tock....tick tock

[JFK]

another stall tactic ?