Get ready for possible war with China

[SuckOnThis]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7166181/

BEIJING - China?s national legislature on Monday overwhelmingly approved a law authorizing a military attack to stop Taiwan from pursuing formal independence, a day after President Hu Jintao told the 2.5 million-member People?s Liberation Army to be prepared for war.

The United States would be Taiwan?s most likely defender if China attacked. Washington is lobbying strongly against European Union plans to lift a 15-year-old arms embargo against China, arguing that high-tech European weapons might be used against Taiwanese or U.S. forces.

[dropped9]

nice!!!!!!!!!!1 Who's got popcorn!?

[kmanrox]

it's onnnn like Donkey Kongggggg!

[mrthumbs]

The chinese will take over .. the middle east threat is nothing compared to what our little asian friends impose.

[Crypt]

Fuck they will stop delivery for EggRoll to US ;(

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by mrthumbs

The chinese will take over .. the middle east threat is nothing compared to what our little asian friends impose.

And I have a feeling the Chinese have had enough of Bush's cowboy bullshit.

[Spunky]

Kill Charley

[Rochard]

Give this one some thought.

In a war between China and the US, well, it would be damn close. In a simple war I'd bet my next paycheck on China.

However:

All the US needs to do is send the 7th fleet and park it directly between China and Taiwan. That always shuts them up. Why? The moment we go to war China shuts down. The US and Europe will no longer buy any of their products. Unemployment would soar, their countrymen will starve, and China will be spending more time feeding and taking care of their own than anything else.

Special thanks to Europe for selling China all of those nifty wepons they've been sending over there.

[Sosa]

no more war please heh.

[canplayer]

don't the chinese have like 2.5 mill in their military, that's a lot of chinamen with guns.

[KRL]

Potential uses against Taiwan

The West's concern about China's military capability is focused mainly on potential military action against Taiwan. China has threatened to take military action if Taiwan declares independence from the mainland or indefinitely prolongs the unification process. While the modernization of China's military forces currently under way may facilitate a potential attack on Taiwan, it does not make success a forgone conclusion for the foreseeable future. Reviewing potential uses of armed force by China, this section concludes not only that Chinese capabilities are limited now, but also that given the slow pace of modernization, China's capabilities for attack on Taiwan are likely to remain limited for the next 10-15 years.

In theory, China could launch a combined arms amphibious and airborne assault on Taiwan. China's current forces do not include enough transport assets to accomplish such a task, however; and there is no evidence that China is building up larger numbers of amphibious assault ships or large cargo aircraft. Current military doctrine calls for a 5-to-1 attacker to defender ratio for amphibious assaults. Today China can only transport 1 armored or 3 infantry brigades with its amphibious ships, which would be completely inadequate for an attack on Taiwan.
Chinese MLRS T-83

The use of commercial and fishing vessels (for example, splitting a company of troops among 4 fishing trawlers) could not substitute effectively due to communication problems and the resulting inability to coordinate units. An amphibious assault would only be conducted with control the skies over the Strait, which the Chinese Air Force probably cannot accomplish. The weather and terrain of Taiwan favors the defender, with high waves and wind in the Taiwan Strait, combined with cliffs on the eastern part of Taiwan and expansive mudflats on the western coast. Finally, Taiwan and the United States could see an invasion coming many months before the event, because it would take that long to prepare if China did have the forces to attempt the effort.
"... While the modernization of China's military forces may facilitate a potential attack on Taiwan, it does not make success a forgone conclusion for the foreseeable future."
"... While the modernization of China's military forces may facilitate a potential attack on Taiwan, it does not make success a forgone conclusion for the foreseeable future."

China could attack Taiwan with a few hundred DF-15 and DF-11 conventionally armed missiles; but history suggests that such an attack would probably not force Taipei to capitulate (compare, for example, Britain in 1944-45, or Serbia in 1999). These missiles are not accurate enough to be precision weapons against airfields, radar, transport nodes, etc. They would have to be used more as a terror weapon, against cities and town. if only conventional warheads were used, damage would not be any more significant than that from a large natural disaster, such as the one Taiwan survived in 1999 (a major earthquake near Taipei). Since China only has a limited number of DF-15 and DF-11 missiles, a long-lasting missile siege would be difficult.

China's navy could attempt to blockade Taiwan, forcing ships to dock at Chinese ports before proceeding on to the island. If the number of China's large surface ships (frigates and destroyers) continues to increase, such a blockade would be easier. China currently has more ships than Taiwan, and could attempt to enforce a blockade with a combination of naval vessels and mines. And despite the lack of sophistication of China's submarines, Taiwan has limited ASW assets to counter China's large submarine fleet. As with a missile attack, a blockade would bring international condemnation and, as a result, hurt China's economy, even if it were technically legal under international law (with Taiwan recognized as part of China).

[BRISK]

If China takes action on Taiwan, I don't think America will do much to stop it.

[tony286]

man that would be very scary

[hershie]

Originally Posted by RocHard

Give this one some thought.

In a war between China and the US, well, it would be damn close. In a simple war I'd bet my next paycheck on China.

However:

All the US needs to do is send the 7th fleet and park it directly between China and Taiwan. That always shuts them up. Why? The moment we go to war China shuts down. The US and Europe will no longer buy any of their products. Unemployment would soar, their countrymen will starve, and China will be spending more time feeding and taking care of their own than anything else.

Special thanks to Europe for selling China all of those nifty wepons they've been sending over there.

I think international commerce is a lot more complicated than that nowadays. There are a ton of things produced in China that other countries don't or cannot produce internally that are needed to keep their economy's going. Even in the US they could never get economic sanctions passed against China or keep them out of the major int'l trade associations for being bad guys. Hell, even the UN was making money with Saddam's oil when there were supposed to be strict sanctions.

[eMonk]

asians will whip the us hands down.

[Steen2]

Originally Posted by RocHard

Give this one some thought.

In a war between China and the US, well, it would be damn close. In a simple war I'd bet my next paycheck on China.

However:

All the US needs to do is send the 7th fleet and park it directly between China and Taiwan. That always shuts them up. Why? The moment we go to war China shuts down. The US and Europe will no longer buy any of their products. Unemployment would soar, their countrymen will starve, and China will be spending more time feeding and taking care of their own than anything else.

Special thanks to Europe for selling China all of those nifty wepons they've been sending over there.

I disagree with most of this.

[Joe Citizen]

Originally Posted by BRISK

If China takes action on Taiwan, I don't think America will do much to stop it.

I don't think they can with so many troops deployed in the Middle East right now. What sort of response would they be capable of?

[Barefootsies]

If you know your facts, yes, China has more bodies than any other country in the world. So they can keep coming, and coming, and coming. They are behind technologically, compared to most of the usual suspects.

I do not think the interest of 'trade' will stop this.

I think they are also tired of Bush's saber rattling.

International law is on their side as well, as Taiwan's theirs. So the UN will not stop this either.

However, I do not think much will come of this. China will force Taiwan to submission, the world with be in awe, and life will go on with more Bush tough talk.

[BRISK]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

I don't think they can with so many troops deployed in the Middle East right now. What sort of response would they be capable of?

Even if there were no troops in the middle east, I still don't think America will do much to defend Taiwan from China in the even China takes military action.

America would continue to sell weapons to Taiwan to help it defend itself, but that's about it IMO.

There are too many negative consequences for America to enter a war with China over Taiwan's sovereignty.

[BRISK]

Colin Powell said this in October 2004:

"[O]ur policy is clear," he said. "There is only one China. Taiwan is not independent. It does not enjoy sovereignty as a nation, and that remains our policy, our firm policy."

http://usinfo.state.gov/eap/Archive/...26-277540.html

[Joe Citizen]

Originally Posted by BRISK

There are too many negative consequences for America to enter a war with China over Taiwan's sovereignty.

yeah, I agree.

[Spunky]

It's the North koreans that people should be worried about

[PenisFace]

There are too many negative consequences for America to enter a war with China over Taiwan's sovereignty.

IE: Getting owned

Edit: Kinda like the Ruskies during WW2. They got their ass handed to them, but because of sheer manpower, they were able to defeat the Germans

[Pornwolf]

We would never enter into a war with China. They are some smart fuckers. Do you think there are more Chinese restaurants in America than any other type by mistake? That's called planning my freinds.

If anything should happen they can take out 65% of the American public in 1 week by using food as a weapon.



That will be the death of us.

[BRISK]

Originally Posted by PenisFace

IE: Getting owned

Edit: Kinda like the Ruskies during WW2. They got their ass handed to them, but because of sheer manpower, they were able to defeat the Germans

I don't think the consequences have as much to do militarily as they do economically.

America's economy is extremely dependent on China right now. If China stops buying US Treasury bonds, the US economy is fucked, and not just a little fucked, fucked big time. There is a massive economic house of cards built up right now, and America can't afford to fuck with China. Iraq? Yes. China? No.

[Robatolla]

hopefully we will say fuck you to taiwan!!!!!!!!

[Illicit]

Originally Posted by mrthumbs

The chinese will take over .. the middle east threat is nothing compared to what our little asian friends impose.

if there were ever a perfect time to do it, its now. Our military is spread too thin.

[Illicit]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

We would never enter into a war with China. They are some smart fuckers. Do you think there are more Chinese restaurants in America than any other type by mistake? That's called planning my freinds.

If anything should happen they can take out 65% of the American public in 1 week by using food as a weapon.



That will be the death of us.

please dont poison my chicken fingers !!

[mistress69]

its not gonna happen

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

DOubtful...

But many war game scenerio's play out with China doing what Japan did.
Diversion Front and attack the US Soil.
That means SF, LA and the likes stand to get hit by bombs via SUB warfare if they get close enough. China would not let the war stand on its own land.

Its against CHina's warfare strategies in the event of confrontation. They would attempt to hit US mainland.

And at this point Europ would let em do it.

[Illicit]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

DOubtful...

But many war game scenerio's play out with China doing what Japan did.
Diversion Front and attack the US Soil.
That means SF, LA and the likes stand to get hit by bombs via SUB warfare if they get close enough. China would not let the war stand on its own land.

Its against CHina's warfare strategies in the event of confrontation. They would attempt to hit US mainland.

And at this point Europ would let em do it.

Ahh fuck Cali, its going to fall into the ocean anyway

[NaughtyRob]

That would be WW3.