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Doctor Dre · 03-12-2005, 11:54 AM

50 fiddy cent

Jimmie · 03-12-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

If you had an idea how much artists make out of each cds ... you'd be surprised . He's not THAT rich ...

it was reported that his net worth was 50 Million..... I have a general idea what artists make, some artists are dumbasses and settle for shitty dist. deals. others make 5-7$ per cd. regardless, the dude is saleing clothes, shoes, cd's, has a movie coming out, a video game. hes got plenty of $$.

MetaMan · 03-12-2005, 01:33 PM

50 cent is the shit, all you haters need to stfu, the man swims in moola have some respect.

this CD will go huge, i personally love it, i mean 22 songs!? and they are all pretty dam good.

his songs own the clubs and the regular rap fans love his style. there is no stopping G G G UNITTTTT.

Veterans Day · 03-12-2005, 01:38 PM

I thought this thread was about musical talent, face the facts he will not be played or talked about in 5 years let alone in 30 like the classic tracks that stand the test of time. Puuuuuhlease

Jimmie · 03-12-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Veterans Day

I thought this thread was about musical talent, face the facts he will not be played or talked about in 5 years let alone in 30 like the classic tracks that stand the test of time. Puuuuuhlease

your right, in 5 years he might not be played or talked about. He'll be sitting high on top of the mountain, cashing royalty checks and not having to worry about music at all....

Veterans Day · 03-12-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmie

your right, in 5 years he might not be played or talked about. He'll be sitting high on top of the mountain, cashing royalty checks and not having to worry about music at all....

Oh my bad I mistook him for an artist with passion for musical creation. Sorry! He will end up another broke ass donkey. BET

Deepai · 03-12-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

50 cent is the shit, all you haters need to stfu, the man swims in moola have some respect.

this CD will go huge, i personally love it, i mean 22 songs!? and they are all pretty dam good.

his songs own the clubs and the regular rap fans love his style. there is no stopping G G G UNITTTTT.

Note to self: Never take this guy seriously ever again.

bllott · 03-12-2005, 03:02 PM

i'm actually pretty happy that most people posting in this thread realize how absurd it is to compare 50 cent to the beatles. first off all, if back in those days the beatles were marketed as much as 50 cent is today, they'd have more records sold by at least 3 times more.

also 50 cent is some degenerate ghetto piece of shit, promoting violence profanity, abuse of women and crime.

another way to look at is like this: the big time tupac, and all those other degenerate ghetto pieces of shit are already forgotten. no one really cares about them and won't really care about them in acouple of years bceause their music isn't really music, and if it can be classified as music, it's nothing that can stand the test of time. i don't see anyone talking about tupac's songs or dr dre's music or snoop dogg's music as a classic. if they do refer to it like that, that's bceause they're retarded and have no idea what talent or art is.

rap is the style of music that suits people age 10-25, who are in a developing stage of life and really don't know what they like yet. eventually most normal people realize that rap in general is complete shit, and they fall back on either the beatles, blues, or classical music because that's where real art and talent and feeling are. that's why you don't see 45 year olds go down the street in ghetto exco, fubu and paco clothing thinking they're "down with the ghetto sound" what up g, how's it hangin homey? where my daugs at? only low level ghetto running degenerates, and uneducated scum, or confused people who don't know what they are yet.

yet another way to look at it is this for all your rap fans:

you can't claim that you're a normal educated person with any values, when you look up to and appreciate, believe in, agree, or actually even think the way that some rappers do. 99% of them if not all are: uneducated, ghetto-scum, ignorant, with no values, people who promote violence and killing, and teach you to act like a degenerate animal, to steal to rape, and to slap women around. or even better, other rappers teach you that life is all about cars, money and women. well if you worship and believe in those ideals then i guess rap is perfect for you

MikeVega · 03-12-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

If you had an idea how much artists make out of each cds ... you'd be surprised . He's not THAT rich ...

I just read last week that with the clothes / shoes / Water / and a piece of the rest of the G-unit guys he made close to 50 million last year ... that sound pretty good to me ...

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toddler: fuck that. nigga came from the burbs like 90% of the rest. VERY little of that shit is even written by the 'artists' themselves.

its not worth listening too. at all.

And I _LIKE_ rap.

I live in NY ... and I've been in his hood ...it ain't no burb ... I'll agree that most rap guys didn't have it as hard as they say ..but in his case it's true ..

jollyperv · 03-12-2005, 04:27 PM

Courtesy of Steve Albini.
http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp/albini.html

kane · 03-12-2005, 05:04 PM

I give him credit for marketing his product and making cash. But musically speaking he is not worthy of carrying the beatles amps.

Rui · 03-12-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by websiex

<sarcasm>
Are you guys kidding? 50 cent is probably one of the greatest artists of all time. I mean, lets look at the facts here, 1.1 million records sold in 4 days, that is bigger than any shitty rock band I can think of in the last 30 years. Whether you guys like it or not, 50 cent is one of the greatest musicians of all time. He is up there with Jim Morrison, Bob Dylan, The Beatles, and the Rolling Stones.
</sarcasm>

Not really though, he is just a marketing tool with no talent that sings to beats that a beat generator made up. Any retard can do it, and people that buy his records are retarded too for supporting this trash. Btw: He will probably be broke like Ice is, because he is a stupid rapper with too much money.

Anyway, no one can take the side of rap as real music, because we can all agree that it is total garbage that takes 0 talent and 0 skill.

A bit extreme but at least its closer to the truth compared to the posts saying how great and original 50 cent "bad-ass-shot-9-time-marketing-toll" is...

Rui · 03-12-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

50 cent is the shit, all you haters need to stfu, the man swims in moola have some respect.

this CD will go huge, i personally love it, i mean 22 songs!? and they are all pretty dam good.

his songs own the clubs and the regular rap fans love his style. there is no stopping G G G UNITTTTT.

priceless....

Drake · 03-12-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jollyperv

Courtesy of Steve Albini.
http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp/albini.html

Interesting... I wonder if those figures posted are true? Anybody in the music biz can confirm this?

I've never been a fan of 50 cent, but I hope he's smart enough to use the money he's made wisely (although I have grave doubts he will).

Yes rap is a marketing engine like all mainstream forms of music today. Rap is just the pre-eminent form right now. But it's been this way in music at least since the 70s. Nobody cared for songs by KISS until they dressed up like clowns and released a fake 'live' album (dubbed and overdubbed with studio additions/perfections).

There is no way 50 Cent can be compared to the Beatles. The Beatles are far more talented. I think the Beatles were all from middle class families, not the ghetto. They grew up in the innocent 50's, and began playing music a mere 10 years or less after 'rock n roll' music began. Different time, place, opportunities, and surely different abilities.

These rappers however won't be forgotten as many are predicting. Rap itself was supposed to be a fad.... it's been a 30 year old fad and still going strong, even if only on the strength of marketing. We still talk about Vanilla Ice yet he was supposed to be forgotten. For all intents and purposes we could say that classic artists are more forgotten... crooners, big bands, jazz bands, blues bands, 50's rock n roll bands, metal, and true punk music have been commercially dead for decades some only surviving on obscure AM radio stations and compilation CD infomercials on late night TV.

The topics in many mainstream raps have to do with subversive behavior and blunt descriptions of ugly realities, or are simply party music. It's a sign of the times and it's a tradition in rock music (rap is a form of rock). Dion and the Belmonts hits in the 50's like many other classic rock n roll artists had songs of their own like "Runaround Sue" or "The Wanderer" which would translate into pimp songs today. Or even further back to Muddy Waters' "Hoochie Coochie Man" with it's bravado and playeresque attitude. It's all the same schtick. For better or worse, rap has carved out it's own path especially in American culture and defined a period in music history. Nobody can change that.

kane · 03-12-2005, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

Interesting... I wonder if those figures posted are true? Anybody in the music biz can confirm this?

I've never been a fan of 50 cent, but I hope he's smart enough to use the money he's made wisely (although I have grave doubts he will).

Yes rap is a marketing engine like all mainstream forms of music today. Rap is just the pre-eminent form right now. But it's been this way in music at least since the 70s. Nobody cared for songs by KISS until they dressed up like clowns and released a fake 'live' album (dubbed and overdubbed with studio additions/perfections).

There is no way 50 Cent can be compared to the Beatles. The Beatles are far more talented. I think the Beatles were all from middle class families, not the ghetto. They grew up in the innocent 50's, and began playing music a mere 10 years or less after 'rock n roll' music began. Different time, place, opportunities, and surely different abilities.

These rappers however won't be forgotten as many are predicting. Rap itself was supposed to be a fad.... it's been a 30 year old fad and still going strong, even if only on the strength of marketing. We still talk about Vanilla Ice yet he was supposed to be forgotten. For all intents and purposes we could say that classic artists are more forgotten... crooners, big bands, jazz bands, blues bands, 50's rock n roll bands, metal, and true punk music have been commercially dead for decades some only surviving on obscure AM radio stations and compilation CD infomercials on late night TV.

The topics in many mainstream raps have to do with subversive behavior and blunt descriptions of ugly realities, or are simply party music. It's a sign of the times and it's a tradition in rock music (rap is a form of rock). Dion and the Belmonts hits in the 50's like many other classic rock n roll artists had songs of their own like "Runaround Sue" or "The Wanderer" which would translate into pimp songs today. Or even further back to Muddy Waters' "Hoochie Coochie Man" with it's bravado and playeresque attitude. It's all the same schtick. For better or worse, rap has carved out it's own path especially in American culture and defined a period in music history. Nobody can change that.

Those are some fairly realistic numbers but for many they may be off. For example the music video budget was only 30K if the label is trying to really get a hit they are going to hire a well known director and that person alone is going to cost 30K and video itself will be between 200-400K on average. And promotion cost can go through the roof. There is a great book called "so you wanna be a rock star." written by on of the guys in a band called semisonic. They had a couple hits and sold a few million records. He said that it cost the label about 700K just in promotion to get their first single played on the radio nationwide.

Art Alekakis of Everclear used to have a radio show on a local channel here and he would talk about this stuff sometimes. Most artists get about $1 per CD sold in royalties but they have to pay back most, if not all, of that to the label because music video, recording, promotion etc. all comes out of the artists royalties. He was saying that about 85% of the acts out there actually don't make any money on the sale of CD's and most of them actually end up owing money to the record labels. They make thier money touring. Obviously if you are 50cent and you sell 11million records you are probably making some money in royalties.

The thing about many an entertainer is that, like many people, thier lifestyle is not really equal to thier income. This is especially true in hip hop because many of those guys feel they have to keep up a certian image. Just because a guy has a 4 million dollar house, a million worth of cars and a million in jewlery doesn't mean he actually has 6 million dollars. I would be willing to bet he is probably up to his eyes in debt.

Rap acts don't make as much from touring tough. They do tour but they don't tour as much or, typically, play to as many people as a rock band would.

There was a story a little while back about a band called Helmut. They signed a 4 record contract with Geffen worth 1 million dollars. In the end of it all, after the 4 records had been made the band was actually in debt to the record label. They had made money touring, but actually owed the label money because the label because of everything that they were responsible for.

it's a crazy biz.

kane · 03-12-2005, 11:53 PM

also, the fact that so few acts make much money from CD sales is why they have such a hard time getting artists to come out against file sharing and MP3 downloading. Most of the artists just don't care because if you go buy the CD they aren't going to see anything from it so they want you to get thier music. What they do care about is you buying the ticket to see them play live. A great example of this is U2. They did the Ipod commercial and are promoting downloading. Now they come out and say buy the songs and download them, but really they don't care. They are big enough that they got a nice advance for the new record and with all thier expenses they know they will never see a dime of money from the sale of CD's. But they will rake in the cash with licensing the songs to movies, and TV and commercials and charging $150 bucks a seat to see them on the new tour. In the end they would like you to buy the CD but what they really care about is if you shell out the cash to see them live.

jollyperv · 03-12-2005, 11:59 PM

Kane, you got 666 posts, man, hurry up and post again!

Dirty F · 03-13-2005, 12:01 AM

The fact that a retard with no talen like 50 ct can sell so many albums tells a lot about todays youth. Basically that theyre even bigger retards.

Pornwolf · 03-13-2005, 01:10 AM

Look, no one is debating the lack of artistic integrity in 50 Cent. He won't even argue it himself. It's all about the paper chase for most rappers. You guys are taking it way too seriously and judging it all by a standard that does not apply. Most rap music is for the moment, shake your ass stuff. That's what it is MEANT to be. Nothing more. If a rappers body of work stands the test of time it's an added bonus.

There are a few that do stand out. Arguably just as many as there are rock classics over the past 20 years starting from Run DMC and The Beastie's License To Ill. That's another conversation though as the overall quality of all genres took one helluva dive in the 90's.

Kane, those numbers that Everclear stated are completely wrong. I have never seen the first single budget for radio ever top $300k. Never. It costs a lot but never $700k. I've been in the biz since 91 so I've seen my share. Albini's numbers are correct but remember that the financial picure is very different for rock and hip hop. Budgets are broken down differently and advances are very different. Plus at the end of the day the artist profit comes from two different places. Rock=Tour money. Rap = endorsement money.

50 Cent is making a killing. Sure, he's not making as much from his record sales as anyone would hope but his Reebok deal and his Vita-Water deals more than make up for it. Clothing sales will make him more money than his album sales ever could and so will the Vita Water if done right. He's making more than any successful new rock band ever could. He's even more than Norah Jones who sells just as many records as he does. Love em or hate em, you have to appreciate the financial spoils that come with being on the top of the hip hop pile.

kane · 03-13-2005, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jollyperv

Kane, you got 666 posts, man, hurry up and post again!

damn I didn't even realize that. I had to fix it.

it must be a sign. Yesterday I broke my foot so bad things are happening

ADL Colin · 03-13-2005, 01:37 AM

50 Cent is the black Eminem.

J$tyle$ · 03-13-2005, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Look, no one is debating the lack of artistic integrity in 50 Cent. He won't even argue it himself. It's all about the paper chase for most rappers. You guys are taking it way too seriously and judging it all by a standard that does not apply. Most rap music is for the moment, shake your ass stuff. That's what it is MEANT to be. Nothing more. If a rappers body of work stands the test of time it's an added bonus.

There are a few that do stand out. Arguably just as many as there are rock classics over the past 20 years starting from Run DMC and The Beastie's License To Ill. That's another conversation though as the overall quality of all genres took one helluva dive in the 90's.

Kane, those numbers that Everclear stated are completely wrong. I have never seen the first single budget for radio ever top $300k. Never. It costs a lot but never $700k. I've been in the biz since 91 so I've seen my share. Albini's numbers are correct but remember that the financial picure is very different for rock and hip hop. Budgets are broken down differently and advances are very different. Plus at the end of the day the artist profit comes from two different places. Rock=Tour money. Rap = endorsement money.

50 Cent is making a killing. Sure, he's not making as much from his record sales as anyone would hope but his Reebok deal and his Vita-Water deals more than make up for it. Clothing sales will make him more money than his album sales ever could and so will the Vita Water if done right. He's making more than any successful new rock band ever could. He's even more than Norah Jones who sells just as many records as he does. Love em or hate em, you have to appreciate the financial spoils that come with being on the top of the hip hop pile.

Well said ... plus he's STILL making that mixed-tape money and thats no bullshit either!

I get the feeling he's going to be around and financially sound for years to come.

BTW - I bought his CD and well as some bootleged mixed tapes from Dj Green Lantern last week ... there is some bangin' shit on Massacre!!!

Pick up
5-star General and NY State of Mind by DJ GL ... no joke!!!

Actually go to http://www.djgreenlantern.com and click on "the store" ... listen to the first few tracks of all his CD's ... :NY State of Mind" is all mixed Beastie Boys w/ crazy sick shit!

Chong · 03-13-2005, 01:52 AM

I just gotta say great post Pornwolf.

Pornwolf · 03-13-2005, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by J$tyle$

Actually go to http://www.djgreenlantern.com and click on "the store" ... listen to the first few tracks of all his CD's ... :NY State of Mind" is all mixed Beastie Boys w/ crazy sick shit!

That is an extremely hot website. Thanks for the heads up J. I think I will go down to Canal street and pick up a couple of CD's.

Wait a minute, how tha hell do you know about the new Green Lantern tape out there in LA before I do! I guess you can take the boy out of Brooklyn but you can't take the Brooklyn outta...

Pornwolf · 03-13-2005, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chong

I just gotta say great post Pornwolf.

Thanks Chong. I just call em as I see em.

Rich · 03-13-2005, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmie

others make 5-7$ per cd.

You just made that up.

grumpy · 03-13-2005, 05:57 AM

the beatle album was bought because people wanna have it. The 50c album is sold because its over promoted. Its marketing.

Jimmie · 03-13-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich

You just made that up.

the deal my boys just signed with selecta hits, dist, pays them 5-7% a CD.... so dumbass, I didnt just make it up.

Pornwolf · 03-13-2005, 10:25 AM

A deal with Selecto Hits isn't a record deal per se, it's a distribution deal. It's different in that they get no promotion really. I wish them luck, they will need it.

Rui · 03-13-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmie

the deal my boys just signed with selecta hits, dist, pays them 5-7% a CD.... so dumbass, I didnt just make it up.

Moron...$5 ou $7 per album is ALOT FUCKING different 5%-7% per CD...

tskk tskk STUPID!!!!!!!

$5 submissions · 03-13-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristian

50 cents and the beatles in the same sentence...? the world is fucked

LOL!

tungsten · 03-13-2005, 12:44 PM

massacre is probably the worst album ive ever heard

MetaMan · 03-13-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Deepai

Note to self: Never take this guy seriously ever again.

you will take me seriously when my cock bruises your throat, shut your mouth. (dont bite)

J$tyle$ · 03-13-2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

That is an extremely hot website. Thanks for the heads up J. I think I will go down to Canal street and pick up a couple of CD's.

Wait a minute, how tha hell do you know about the new Green Lantern tape out there in LA before I do! I guess you can take the boy out of Brooklyn but you can't take the Brooklyn outta...

ahahaha

Brooklyn is most definitely in my blood and mixed cd's are part of life's release and relaxation at the same time.

Another hot site (not designwise but contentwise) is http://www.mixunit.com ... it's too bad they don't have samples but they show every song mixed on every CD ... and at $5 -$7 with bonus FREE CD's - if a few miss ... no big deal!

They get all the hottest shit as it hits the street!

Then again, there's a couple shops on Melrose here in LA that stock the heat as well ... like that "NY State of Mind" disk!

Step your game up PW!

emthree · 03-13-2005, 01:24 PM

We need to start selling gangster rap porn to the youth
They seem to have alot of money to spend

Rich · 03-13-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmie

the deal my boys just signed with selecta hits, dist, pays them 5-7% a CD.... so dumbass, I didnt just make it up.

Hey jackass, first off all I was talking about real artists on real label. Secondly, unless they're charging $100 for their albums, 5-7% is a hell of a lot different than $5-$7. Who's the dumbass?

I love it when people make themselves look stupid so I don't have to do anything.

Jimmie · 03-13-2005, 02:27 PM

I meant 5-7$ just like I stated earlier. It was a fucking typo, dumbass... amazing how many geniuses we have here. I'd love to be the dumbass ignorant untalented musician you all claim 50 is. He's cashing checks bigger than you'll ever hope of seeing and your bitching here about him.

Hate It Or love It, the underdog's on top..... HAHAHAHA

Jimmie · 03-13-2005, 02:30 PM

the haters are here bitching about "hes saleing gangsta murder rap" to people... HEL-FUCKING-LO, your saleing internet porn... your no better than he is.... like the pot calling the kettle black.....

KingAsher · 03-13-2005, 06:52 PM

The Meaning of this thread was not to bash on 50 but to make a point, that no matter how "tight" his beats/lyrics get or even already are, there is no chance in the world that he would even be remotely comparable to The Beatles, I mean 2pac and Biggie combined are nowehere even remotely close to how big the Beatles were/still are. You go anywhere in the world and I guarentee more people would have heard the name "The Beatles" more than 2pac, biggie or 50. The Beatle will live on forever, and you know what maybe so will 2pac biggie and 50 but their names will never reach that of "The Beatles" And dont get me wrong I love rap, but facts are facts!

TheLegacy · 03-13-2005, 07:48 PM

the world was alot smaller back in the 60's and people didnt have that much disposable income. No one can match what the Beatles did. 100 years from now they will still be playing their music.. not 50!!

you have a larger teen population with more money per teen - of course the sales are going to be higher - put them on the same playing field and Beatles would kick his ass and no one would be around to care.

PHPdude · 03-13-2005, 08:14 PM

looks like 50Cent's the latest success story to hit the rap industry since Eminem

Jimmie · 03-13-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KingAsher

The Meaning of this thread was not to bash on 50 but to make a point, that no matter how "tight" his beats/lyrics get or even already are, there is no chance in the world that he would even be remotely comparable to The Beatles, I mean 2pac and Biggie combined are nowehere even remotely close to how big the Beatles were/still are. You go anywhere in the world and I guarentee more people would have heard the name "The Beatles" more than 2pac, biggie or 50. The Beatle will live on forever, and you know what maybe so will 2pac biggie and 50 but their names will never reach that of "The Beatles" And dont get me wrong I love rap, but facts are facts!

who really cares if he is as big as the beatles? what does it matter? I couldnt name one song the beatles sung to be honest with you. dont care to listen to them. not that their is anything wrong with them, but thats not the kinda music I like or listen too. People can trash talk all they want, the haters are loved just as much as the fans. Like Ive said a few times, all the bitchin here is ridiculous to say the least, he couldnt give a damn whether we love him or hate him. Hes making millions, doing it better than anyone else is right now. Guess what, your favorite singer/band/rapper is doing it for the $$ its putting in their pocket, too.

Icon · 03-13-2005, 08:30 PM

across the universe.

Pornwolf · 03-13-2005, 08:53 PM

Now, if you want to be fair... make all things equal and bring the Beatles to 2005, update their music to make it just as big today as it was in the 60's and I can guarentee that 50 Cent would kick their asses all up and down the pop charts.

Remember N'Sync? How about The Backstreet Boys? NKOTB? Yeeah, uh huh. Exactly.

Same shit different era, the only thing is that The Beatles were the first to get to that pandemonium level.

I know this is going to rub a few of you the wrong way but the Beatles hold this iconic status because of two things, first they pulled the heartstrings of the largest and most powerful demographic ever... the babyboomers. Secondly they were the first to do that on a certain level so people look at their songs through rose colored glasses.

If N'Sync came out back then and kept up their hitmaking streak about 2 or 3 more albums longer than they did they would have had the same success.

Sorry to discredit the all powerful Beatles but they were the same as Elvis, overrated pop that came out at the right place and right time with a perfect image to match.

You want to talk about real music from that time let's talk Cream, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, Frank Sinatra... hell even Burt Baccarach and Quincy Jones had more artistically credible music from that time period. The Beatles? Hah!

KingAsher · 03-13-2005, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmie

who really cares if he is as big as the beatles? what does it matter? I couldnt name one song the beatles sung to be honest with you. dont care to listen to them. not that their is anything wrong with them, but thats not the kinda music I like or listen too. People can trash talk all they want, the haters are loved just as much as the fans. Like Ive said a few times, all the bitchin here is ridiculous to say the least, he couldnt give a damn whether we love him or hate him. Hes making millions, doing it better than anyone else is right now. Guess what, your favorite singer/band/rapper is doing it for the $$ its putting in their pocket, too.

WOW........... you missed the point, even after I tried to explain it. Im not sayin 50 isnt talented, and NO SHIT he is doing what he does and doing it the best, thats pretty fuckin obvious, NOW, lets see if I can make this a little more clear for you. 50 Cent is the best thing in Hip Hop RIGHT NOW, he has a great team behind him, what I am saying is that when IDIOTS try and put 50 Cent and The Beatles in the same category its just beyond rediculous, The Beatles did what they did in the 60's and are still being compared to the number ONE artists in '05. Now in 2045 I HIGHLY doubt that 50 Cents name will still be big, and you know what, Im pretty sure "The Beatles" name will still be around. And you know what else, that shows just about how much you know about music, if you cant name one Beatles song. Im not even a big fan of the beatles and I can name a couple of them, The Beatles started something new, 50 Cent is just doing what all the other rappers did before him, just now its more publicized, and its nothing special and new AND finally the funniest part of what you said was "he couldnt give a damn whether we love him or hate him. Hes making millions, doing it better than anyone else is right now. Guess what, your favorite singer/band/rapper is doing it for the $$ its putting in their pocket, too" Thanks for letting me know about that, I never would have thought of it.

Doctor Hung · 03-13-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

If you had an idea how much artists make out of each cds ... you'd be surprised . He's not THAT rich ...

He's not that rich?

you have no fucking clue do you. Records is just the fucking tip buddy. When they go on tour they fucking make a killing. Yeah hes rich, don't fucking hate. I'm not really a fan but im sure the fuck not a internet shit talker or hater.

mal · 03-13-2005, 10:57 PM

who the fuck are the beatles?

n0de · 03-13-2005, 11:37 PM

Like big poppa said "Your nobody, till somebody killsss you"

50 is doing great making the money but it's clear that there are people behind the scenes making more money on him and unlike him they will be alive to spend it whereas 50 will be killed. Then the retards will def start comparing him to big and pac.

R.I.P Big L,Big poppa,Tupac

Spunky · 03-13-2005, 11:39 PM

The beatles will always be in a league of their own

Spunky · 03-13-2005, 11:39 PM

100 Beatles Fans

03-12-2005, 01:38 PM	#54
Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	I thought this thread was about musical talent, face the facts he will not be played or talked about in 5 years let alone in 30 like the classic tracks that stand the test of time. Puuuuuhlease __________________ Build a Massive Traffic Network, Hands FREE, Totally Automated

03-13-2005, 01:10 AM	#69
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Look, no one is debating the lack of artistic integrity in 50 Cent. He won't even argue it himself. It's all about the paper chase for most rappers. You guys are taking it way too seriously and judging it all by a standard that does not apply. Most rap music is for the moment, shake your ass stuff. That's what it is MEANT to be. Nothing more. If a rappers body of work stands the test of time it's an added bonus. There are a few that do stand out. Arguably just as many as there are rock classics over the past 20 years starting from Run DMC and The Beastie's License To Ill. That's another conversation though as the overall quality of all genres took one helluva dive in the 90's. Kane, those numbers that Everclear stated are completely wrong. I have never seen the first single budget for radio ever top $300k. Never. It costs a lot but never $700k. I've been in the biz since 91 so I've seen my share. Albini's numbers are correct but remember that the financial picure is very different for rock and hip hop. Budgets are broken down differently and advances are very different. Plus at the end of the day the artist profit comes from two different places. Rock=Tour money. Rap = endorsement money. 50 Cent is making a killing. Sure, he's not making as much from his record sales as anyone would hope but his Reebok deal and his Vita-Water deals more than make up for it. Clothing sales will make him more money than his album sales ever could and so will the Vita Water if done right. He's making more than any successful new rock band ever could. He's even more than Norah Jones who sells just as many records as he does. Love em or hate em, you have to appreciate the financial spoils that come with being on the top of the hip hop pile. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches. Last edited by Pornwolf; 03-13-2005 at 01:13 AM..

03-13-2005, 01:37 AM	#71
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	50 Cent is the black Eminem. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

03-13-2005, 05:57 AM	#77
grumpy Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 9,870	the beatle album was bought because people wanna have it. The 50c album is sold because its over promoted. Its marketing. __________________ Don't let greediness blur your vision \| You gotta let some shit slide icq - 441-456-888

03-13-2005, 10:25 AM	#79
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	A deal with Selecto Hits isn't a record deal per se, it's a distribution deal. It's different in that they get no promotion really. I wish them luck, they will need it. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-12-2005, 01:33 PM	#53
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	50 cent is the shit, all you haters need to stfu, the man swims in moola have some respect. this CD will go huge, i personally love it, i mean 22 songs!? and they are all pretty dam good. his songs own the clubs and the regular rap fans love his style. there is no stopping G G G UNITTTTT.

03-12-2005, 03:02 PM	#58
bllott Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Everywhere Posts: 2,368	i'm actually pretty happy that most people posting in this thread realize how absurd it is to compare 50 cent to the beatles. first off all, if back in those days the beatles were marketed as much as 50 cent is today, they'd have more records sold by at least 3 times more. also 50 cent is some degenerate ghetto piece of shit, promoting violence profanity, abuse of women and crime. another way to look at is like this: the big time tupac, and all those other degenerate ghetto pieces of shit are already forgotten. no one really cares about them and won't really care about them in acouple of years bceause their music isn't really music, and if it can be classified as music, it's nothing that can stand the test of time. i don't see anyone talking about tupac's songs or dr dre's music or snoop dogg's music as a classic. if they do refer to it like that, that's bceause they're retarded and have no idea what talent or art is. rap is the style of music that suits people age 10-25, who are in a developing stage of life and really don't know what they like yet. eventually most normal people realize that rap in general is complete shit, and they fall back on either the beatles, blues, or classical music because that's where real art and talent and feeling are. that's why you don't see 45 year olds go down the street in ghetto exco, fubu and paco clothing thinking they're "down with the ghetto sound" what up g, how's it hangin homey? where my daugs at? only low level ghetto running degenerates, and uneducated scum, or confused people who don't know what they are yet. yet another way to look at it is this for all your rap fans: you can't claim that you're a normal educated person with any values, when you look up to and appreciate, believe in, agree, or actually even think the way that some rappers do. 99% of them if not all are: uneducated, ghetto-scum, ignorant, with no values, people who promote violence and killing, and teach you to act like a degenerate animal, to steal to rape, and to slap women around. or even better, other rappers teach you that life is all about cars, money and women. well if you worship and believe in those ideals then i guess rap is perfect for you

03-12-2005, 04:27 PM	#60
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	Courtesy of Steve Albini. http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp/albini.html

03-12-2005, 05:04 PM	#61
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I give him credit for marketing his product and making cash. But musically speaking he is not worthy of carrying the beatles amps.

03-12-2005, 11:53 PM	#66
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	also, the fact that so few acts make much money from CD sales is why they have such a hard time getting artists to come out against file sharing and MP3 downloading. Most of the artists just don't care because if you go buy the CD they aren't going to see anything from it so they want you to get thier music. What they do care about is you buying the ticket to see them play live. A great example of this is U2. They did the Ipod commercial and are promoting downloading. Now they come out and say buy the songs and download them, but really they don't care. They are big enough that they got a nice advance for the new record and with all thier expenses they know they will never see a dime of money from the sale of CD's. But they will rake in the cash with licensing the songs to movies, and TV and commercials and charging $150 bucks a seat to see them on the new tour. In the end they would like you to buy the CD but what they really care about is if you shell out the cash to see them live.

03-12-2005, 11:59 PM	#67
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	Kane, you got 666 posts, man, hurry up and post again!

03-13-2005, 12:01 AM	#68
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	The fact that a retard with no talen like 50 ct can sell so many albums tells a lot about todays youth. Basically that theyre even bigger retards.

03-13-2005, 01:52 AM	#73
Chong Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 1,584	I just gotta say great post Pornwolf.

03-13-2005, 12:44 PM	#82
tungsten Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,579	massacre is probably the worst album ive ever heard __________________ VOYEUR /HOMEMADE, HENTAI / CARTOON, Reality, Amateur, Shemale, Hardcore, Cuckold, Celebrity, Retro/Vintage, ect...ALL OUR SITES >> Unbelievable Ratio \| High % of Rebills \| Bi-Monthly Payments (also to E-Passporte) Ton's of EXCLUSIVE Free content & FHG's \|=> GREAT REVENUE $$$ GUARANTEED!

03-13-2005, 01:24 PM	#85
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	We need to start selling gangster rap porn to the youth They seem to have alot of money to spend __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •

03-13-2005, 02:27 PM	#87
Jimmie Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft Worth TX! Posts: 872	I meant 5-7$ just like I stated earlier. It was a fucking typo, dumbass... amazing how many geniuses we have here. I'd love to be the dumbass ignorant untalented musician you all claim 50 is. He's cashing checks bigger than you'll ever hope of seeing and your bitching here about him. Hate It Or love It, the underdog's on top..... HAHAHAHA Last edited by Jimmie; 03-13-2005 at 02:29 PM..

03-13-2005, 02:30 PM	#88
Jimmie Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft Worth TX! Posts: 872	the haters are here bitching about "hes saleing gangsta murder rap" to people... HEL-FUCKING-LO, your saleing internet porn... your no better than he is.... like the pot calling the kettle black.....

03-13-2005, 06:52 PM	#89
KingAsher Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 685	The Meaning of this thread was not to bash on 50 but to make a point, that no matter how "tight" his beats/lyrics get or even already are, there is no chance in the world that he would even be remotely comparable to The Beatles, I mean 2pac and Biggie combined are nowehere even remotely close to how big the Beatles were/still are. You go anywhere in the world and I guarentee more people would have heard the name "The Beatles" more than 2pac, biggie or 50. The Beatle will live on forever, and you know what maybe so will 2pac biggie and 50 but their names will never reach that of "The Beatles" And dont get me wrong I love rap, but facts are facts! __________________ Asher Hardt Matrix Content Inc. www.matrixcontent.com ICQ: 160132354 AIM: Ashermatrix E-mail: [email protected]

03-13-2005, 07:48 PM	#90
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,111	the world was alot smaller back in the 60's and people didnt have that much disposable income. No one can match what the Beatles did. 100 years from now they will still be playing their music.. not 50!! you have a larger teen population with more money per teen - of course the sales are going to be higher - put them on the same playing field and Beatles would kick his ass and no one would be around to care. __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

03-13-2005, 08:14 PM	#91
PHPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,164	looks like 50Cent's the latest success story to hit the rap industry since Eminem __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

03-13-2005, 08:30 PM	#93
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03-13-2005, 08:53 PM	#94
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Now, if you want to be fair... make all things equal and bring the Beatles to 2005, update their music to make it just as big today as it was in the 60's and I can guarentee that 50 Cent would kick their asses all up and down the pop charts. Remember N'Sync? How about The Backstreet Boys? NKOTB? Yeeah, uh huh. Exactly. Same shit different era, the only thing is that The Beatles were the first to get to that pandemonium level. I know this is going to rub a few of you the wrong way but the Beatles hold this iconic status because of two things, first they pulled the heartstrings of the largest and most powerful demographic ever... the babyboomers. Secondly they were the first to do that on a certain level so people look at their songs through rose colored glasses. If N'Sync came out back then and kept up their hitmaking streak about 2 or 3 more albums longer than they did they would have had the same success. Sorry to discredit the all powerful Beatles but they were the same as Elvis, overrated pop that came out at the right place and right time with a perfect image to match. You want to talk about real music from that time let's talk Cream, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, Frank Sinatra... hell even Burt Baccarach and Quincy Jones had more artistically credible music from that time period. The Beatles? Hah! __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-13-2005, 10:57 PM	#97
mal Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,899	who the fuck are the beatles?

03-13-2005, 11:37 PM	#98
n0de Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Within my lucid dream world. Posts: 250	Like big poppa said "Your nobody, till somebody killsss you" 50 is doing great making the money but it's clear that there are people behind the scenes making more money on him and unlike him they will be alive to spend it whereas 50 will be killed. Then the retards will def start comparing him to big and pac. R.I.P Big L,Big poppa,Tupac

03-13-2005, 11:39 PM	#99
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	The beatles will always be in a league of their own __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

03-13-2005, 11:39 PM	#100
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	100 Beatles Fans __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*