Layoffs at IBill - GoFuckYourself.com

Cogitator · 03-10-2005, 08:57 AM

Just heard today that there are layoffs going on at ibill.

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-10-2005, 08:59 AM

Yep, this is indeed the truth.

DEA - banned for life · 03-10-2005, 09:02 AM

where do you guys get your info from...and what kind iof layoff i was under assumption they were working with a skeleton crew as it is.....ON another note....kind of fucked up how they ignored the US clients concerning missed payouts and frist data funds that were supposed to be updated on or before march 9th in cmi

Cogitator · 03-10-2005, 09:04 AM

I know people there. I just heard that about 50 people got whacked. Not much people left there....

chodadog · 03-10-2005, 09:06 AM

Hopefully this will mean a steady flow of leaked information over the next few days.

MandyBlake · 03-10-2005, 09:18 AM

well hopefully those that were laid off will get new jobs soon.

Cogitator · 03-10-2005, 09:19 AM

Wow. Things have changed. A couple of years ago this kind of thread would have had a bunch of posts.

Webby · 03-10-2005, 09:20 AM

They are on the move again in other places - reckon there *may* be an update today.

Checking other shit - back later!

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-10-2005, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEA

where do you guys get your info from...and what kind iof layoff i was under assumption they were working with a skeleton crew as it is.....ON another note....kind of fucked up how they ignored the US clients concerning missed payouts and frist data funds that were supposed to be updated on or before march 9th in cmi

I know someone there that got laid off today. Not sure on the exact number (I am hearing about 35), but I believe most of the people effected are on the service side.

No matter how much you hate iBill, you have to feel bad for the people being laid off and their families. Most of the people there are good, hard working people who had nothing to do with the mess created by the people at Penthouse and IBD.

My heart goes out to the people fired today and I wish them all good luck.

chodadog · 03-10-2005, 09:22 AM

Oh yeah, absolutely. I feel sorry for all the innocent people that have been caught up in this ibill mess. So many of their employees and clients. Totally fucked up.

Webby · 03-10-2005, 09:25 AM

OK... Getting these claims:

Quote:

A new circular has been issued by iBill to all iBill US merchants about a program of ?secured? funds being settled through an electronic stored value card provider.

Anyone had this or is it some old bullshit?

The Bootyologist · 03-10-2005, 09:28 AM

i cant believe they had 50 people to fire

DeadFidel · 03-10-2005, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

OK... Getting these claims:

Anyone had this or is it some old bullshit?

I played a game with myself. How long before a Webby, (GFY's best source of ibill info) responded. Less than 15 minutes, I owe myseld a drink.

I watch for ibill news only when I see a thread. I have never seen such out right bullshit and lies than that of ibills.

Sosa · 03-10-2005, 09:40 AM

who would have thought that would happen

Cogitator · 03-10-2005, 09:41 AM

Quote:

No matter how much you hate iBill, you have to feel bad for the people being laid off and their families. Most of the people there are good, hard working people who had nothing to do with the mess created by the people at Penthouse and IBD.

MacDaddyPlaya is right. IBill was built up by decent, hardworking people. The people getting laid off had nothing to do with the current situation there.

keyboard warrior · 03-10-2005, 09:50 AM

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Forest · 03-10-2005, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by keyboard warrior

Latest CMI
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im amazed they still have clients

Webby · 03-10-2005, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadFidel

I played a game with myself. How long before a Webby, (GFY's best source of ibill info) responded. Less than 15 minutes, I owe myseld a drink.

I watch for ibill news only when I see a thread. I have never seen such out right bullshit and lies than that of ibills.

Oh shit!... another pointless response...

It was a simple question - not bullshit - forget it DF - ain't got time to waste.

Once again:

Quote:

A new circular has been issued by iBill to all iBill US merchants about a program of ?secured? funds being settled through an electronic stored value card provider.

Anyone familiar with this?? Or are they talking about the gkard stuff??

Cassie · 03-10-2005, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest

im amazed they still have clients

i agree

Fake Nick · 03-10-2005, 10:03 AM

I know people who gotten their two checks a month of Ibill the whole time this saga was going , and I am not talking about two times $500 either ...

Fake Nick · 03-10-2005, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest

im amazed they still have clients

they actually have been paying lots of webmasters without any problems at all

Cogitator · 03-10-2005, 10:26 AM

Are they EU webmasters?

Fake Nick · 03-10-2005, 10:32 AM

yes they are ,

Webby · 03-10-2005, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

they actually have been paying lots of webmasters without any problems at all

Nick - You had a update on some payout at your end yet?

If not.. will hit ya up!

DebsDeep · 03-10-2005, 10:38 AM

I had a thought that really made me sick. Ibill states that us clients willresume payouts on march 15th. Firstdata withholds the money for six months right? Six months from Sept 15th. Tell me firstdata isnt sending that money to ibill.

If they are and ibill pays from feb 16---28th, then thats not the amount that firstdata will be sending. EG screwed again guys if this is the case.

Anyone have any info on firstdata release? I just emailed them, if I get a response i will post it

So someone PLEASE tell me I am wrong
Deb

joey3001 · 03-10-2005, 10:41 AM

call their 1 800 735 3362

Webby · 03-10-2005, 10:49 AM

OK... Here's some stuff re EU payouts.... It now looks like we have another name entering the scenario - Trancentrix

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To all iBill EU merchants currently signed up for the Inteca program to receive funds direct from the acquiring bank on their accounts.
This is the first update since you signed up. The progress so far:
1. We now have a high percentage of the merchants signed up, at least in dollar terms. This has been a time-consuming affair, and I appreciate all the very long hours of the small Inteca staff to get this accomplished.

2. We have received written approval from the acquiring bank with the approval of the payment method and the amount of the intended first tranche to be paid. The subsequent tranches will follow rapidly; we want to ensure the system runs smoothly before paying out over $10 million in total. It is important you know that Inteca does not have any access to your funds throughout the process. The funds go directly from the acquiring bank to your bank.

3. The release document should be available tomorrow. This document will need to be signed by all merchants who want to use this program. As stated before, if the total due to you is less than $1,000, we can accept your electronic signature; for larger amounts we will need a fax, PDF or letter, signed by the authorized person. The release document will include all remittance instructions.

Do not sign the release at that stage. It will only be due for signing when we have shown the full amounts due to you in our records. These amounts will be split between the amounts due now, and the total amount of funds due to you in the future. These amounts will be available on this site and at iBill as soon as possible.
If there are any questions, please email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> and I will try to make sure we answer them promptly. We may display some answers on this board, if we get multiple questions of the same type.

4. Along with the Release Document, we will include a bank transfer data form for you to complete. We would appreciate this being done even if you are using the same bank data as at iBill at the moment, in order for us to have a complete file in Inteca?s records for distribution to the acquiring bank and the paying agent. You will see the name, Trancentrix, as part of the legal contract; this company manages the payment flow on behalf of Inteca. After the initial releases, you will be able to maintain this information on the IntECA web site should you need to change your beneficiary information in the future.
Please include the currency of your bank account on the form. If your account is in a currency other than US dollars, we may be able to reduce your wire transfer cost by making a local, domestic payment but this has to be made in the local currency

5. There is a shortfall in the amount due to you versus the amount available from the acquiring bank, based on money already settled to iBill. Inteca has had assurances from iBill they will make up this difference. We will keep you up to date in this regard, but I believe we are correct to keep moving forward as:
a. Many of you are very anxious to get funds that are extremely late as soon as possible.
b. The amount we do have at the acquiring bank represents between 80 and 90% of the relevant sum for distribution.

6. A new circular has been issued by iBill to all iBill US merchants about a program of ?secured? funds being settled through an electronic stored value card provider. This program has nothing to do with IntECA and should not be confused with it. (We do not express any opinion as to the worth or comparison value nor can we answer any enquiries regarding this new iBill program.)

7. We did want to get the account data to you by today, but the issues with iBill demand we delay for about two days. I am sorry that is happening, but hopefully it will not delay the process to any great extent.

8. I must ask that this information be kept confidential. We are trying to get you paid as fast as we can, but it is part of a negotiation involving both the acquiring bank and iBill. I should stress that if you find the terms of the release, or any other terms, unacceptable, you are fully entitled to withdraw from this program and try to recover your funds from iBill directly.

I ain't got no comment...

Fake Nick · 03-10-2005, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

Nick - You had a update on some payout at your end yet?

If not.. will hit ya up!

I personally dont have any dealings with Ibill at the moment ,but some other webmasters whom I have been working with still get get paid every month without any problems,

he didn't even know they were having any difficulties and was quite amazed when I showed him all the drama,

Webby · 03-10-2005, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

I personally dont have any dealings with Ibill at the moment ,but some other webmasters whom I have been working with still get get paid every month without any problems,

he didn't even know they were having any difficulties and was quite amazed when I showed him all the drama,

Got ya!! Was thinking if you were owed money - I have some info.

TheSaint · 03-10-2005, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fake Nick

I know people who gotten their two checks a month of Ibill the whole time this saga was going , and I am not talking about two times $500 either ...

Yes that is especially what makes them a criminal organization; they commit a felony every day. Paying some webmasters with the money they stole from the rest is a crime. Many companies do this in the last few weeks of business before they close the doors, and it is illegal, not to mention immoral and only pond sucking scum would participate in it, may everyone at Ibill rot in hell.

Webby · 03-10-2005, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadFidel

I played a game with myself. How long before a Webby, (GFY's best source of ibill info) responded. Less than 15 minutes, I owe myseld a drink.

I watch for ibill news only when I see a thread. I have never seen such out right bullshit and lies than that of ibills.

Hell DeadFidel!! My apologies to ya man for that last post I made!! :-)

There was shit happening here and I never read your post fully - I'll have that drink with ya!

Calvinguy · 03-10-2005, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debsdeepthroat

Anyone have any info on firstdata release? I just emailed them, if I get a response i will post it

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-10-2005, 11:31 AM

There is a second wave of layoffs scheduled for 2:30 PM EST. Current management running that place are such complete scumbags. I still can not believe that there has not been a criminal investigation as to what went on and is going on there.

Anyone who continues to process with them is contributing to the scam and will eventually fall prey to it. The only goal of the current management team is to get THEIR money our of the company. I think this was pretty evident when they came out with the GKARD, received funds from the bank for it yet didn't pay the webmasters who converted to it.

They can no longer make payroll, so they have to fire (with minimal severence) the few loyal employees who stayed on board through it all. Its just a matter of time now.

DeadFidel · 03-10-2005, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

Hell DeadFidel!! My apologies to ya man for that last post I made!! :-)

There was shit happening here and I never read your post fully - I'll have that drink with ya!

Dam! thank goodness for that relpy...I thought I lost it there for a second.

keyboard warrior · 03-10-2005, 11:48 AM

I called IBILL last week and they said US payments WERE TO BE PAID YESTERDAY
MARCH 9TH

NOT -FUCKERS!

"wErE Moving backwards please stand by"

DeadFidel · 03-10-2005, 11:56 AM

Switched my worthless unclickable sig in honor of Webby's work.

Webby · 03-10-2005, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadFidel

Dam! thank goodness for that relpy...I thought I lost it there for a second.

Cheers DF!!!!

Kevsh · 03-10-2005, 12:09 PM

I'm happy I only had one sponsor using iBill and they didn't convert.

Cogitator · 03-10-2005, 12:13 PM

I hear that ibill EU payouts have been happening ok. But, they're a separate company.

Webby · 03-10-2005, 12:24 PM

DeadFidel - This shit is looking worse by the day. Forgetting the scammy management company (more on them later) Jason threw into iBill to allow them to take a back seat, - I get this gutty feeling a few people are in a rush at the moment and *something* is coming to a head.

March 9 was the day First Data originally were due to payout... but, if they have the sense they have shown so far, - they need to not pay iBill at this time.

Gotta say... despite the crap - I got some sympathy for the staff at iBill who have been manipulated for some time now.

Webby · 03-10-2005, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cogitator

I hear that ibill EU payouts have been happening ok. But, they're a separate company.

See that Inteca stuff above. There are loads of EU webmasters who have not been paid. And... a separate company with anyone associated with iBill is ... well... maybe a legal entity, but going to be contaminted to hell and back with "associations" :-)

MacDaddyPlaya · 03-10-2005, 12:54 PM

Just to let you know how bad the shit is, the people that were let go today weren't even given any severence. They will get paid through tomorrow and that is it.

People who were issued employment contracts ( an effort to keep people from leaving and taking clients with them) with guaranteed severence packages are also receiving nothing. Like every other agreement and contract these scumbags issue, they are not honoring it and never had any intention of doing so.

If you are still sending them any business at all, you are enabling iBill to continue to perpetrate fraud. STOP!!!!

undermyspell · 03-10-2005, 12:55 PM

are there any sponsors still using them? If so, I would love to have a list of people who I would NOT send my traffic to.. if they fucked over the US people then paid the Euro guys or vice versa I wouldn't trust my traffic to a sponsor still willing to use them because the tables can turn on anyone getting paid at any moment

DEA - banned for life · 03-10-2005, 01:32 PM

Webby , the reference to the US secured system you were asking about.....is ibills new Gkard secured system where they supposedly dont get there hands on your money and it gets deposited into you account by wire or ACH....there supposed to payout on march 15th for the feb 16th-28th revenue from gkard credit card transactions ONLY !...no checks...no reserves.....so basically for most webmasters it amounts to about $1.95- 39.95 depending on if there obligatory 1 sale in that pay period re-billed or not

Forest · 03-10-2005, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keyboard warrior

I called IBILL last week and they said US payments WERE TO BE PAID YESTERDAY
MARCH 9TH

NOT -FUCKERS!

"wErE Moving backwards please stand by"

and you believed them?

Gottis · 03-10-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

Got ya!! Was thinking if you were owed money - I have some info.

Can you share that information with us that are owed a lot of money? Or did you tell us already? Thanks.

keyboard warrior · 03-10-2005, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEA

Webby , the reference to the US secured system you were asking about.....is ibills new Gkard secured system where they supposedly dont get there hands on your money and it gets deposited into you account by wire or ACH....there supposed to payout on march 15th for the feb 16th-28th revenue from gkard credit card transactions ONLY !...no checks...no reserves.....so basically for most webmasters it amounts to about $1.95- 39.95 depending on if there obligatory 1 sale in that pay period re-billed or not

NOT another $50 dollar check ? WTF?

What about those thousands of rebills they ran through in that same time frame ?

joey3001 · 03-10-2005, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cogitator

MacDaddyPlaya is right. IBill was built up by decent, hardworking people. The people getting laid off had nothing to do with the current situation there.

fuck if they didnt... they knew damn well what was going on... f em, i hope they never find a job.. they took food from my kids mouth.. to hell with them all.

Cogitator · 03-10-2005, 11:21 PM

Joey3001:

I can understand your feelings. But, the people working at ibill were lied to also. Big time.

Rochard · 03-10-2005, 11:32 PM

Bye bye Ibill.

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Cogitator Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 672	Layoffs at IBill Just heard today that there are layoffs going on at ibill. __________________ - this space intentionally left blank -

03-10-2005, 08:59 AM	#2
MacDaddyPlaya Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Just north of Cuba Posts: 1,785	Yep, this is indeed the truth. __________________ Sigless

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DEA - banned for life V.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: InYour Head Posts: 7,886	where do you guys get your info from...and what kind iof layoff i was under assumption they were working with a skeleton crew as it is.....ON another note....kind of fucked up how they ignored the US clients concerning missed payouts and frist data funds that were supposed to be updated on or before march 9th in cmi Last edited by DEA - banned for life; 03-10-2005 at 09:03 AM..

03-10-2005, 09:04 AM	#4
Cogitator Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 672	I know people there. I just heard that about 50 people got whacked. Not much people left there.... __________________ - this space intentionally left blank -

03-10-2005, 09:06 AM	#5
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Hopefully this will mean a steady flow of leaked information over the next few days. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

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MandyBlake The one and only! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 17,761	well hopefully those that were laid off will get new jobs soon. __________________ Mandy's Playhouse Her First Fat Girl If you're interested in promoting my sites, ICQ me! 178411921

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03-10-2005, 09:20 AM	#8
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	They are on the move again in other places - reckon there may be an update today. Checking other shit - back later! __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

03-10-2005, 09:22 AM	#10
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Oh yeah, absolutely. I feel sorry for all the innocent people that have been caught up in this ibill mess. So many of their employees and clients. Totally fucked up. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

03-10-2005, 09:28 AM	#12
The Bootyologist So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: m00dville Posts: 2,912	i cant believe they had 50 people to fire

03-10-2005, 09:40 AM	#14
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	who would have thought that would happen

03-10-2005, 09:50 AM	#16
keyboard warrior Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,435	Latest CMI Maintenance 03/10/05 iBill will be conducting scheduled system maintenance on Thursday March 10, 2005. The maintenance will be completed over the course of the day and clients may experience intermittent issues with CMI, B2B and DI. __________________ - nothing here -

03-10-2005, 10:03 AM	#20
Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	I know people who gotten their two checks a month of Ibill the whole time this saga was going , and I am not talking about two times $500 either ...

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Cogitator Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 672	Are they EU webmasters? __________________ - this space intentionally left blank -

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Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	yes they are ,

03-10-2005, 10:38 AM	#25
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	I had a thought that really made me sick. Ibill states that us clients willresume payouts on march 15th. Firstdata withholds the money for six months right? Six months from Sept 15th. Tell me firstdata isnt sending that money to ibill. If they are and ibill pays from feb 16---28th, then thats not the amount that firstdata will be sending. EG screwed again guys if this is the case. Anyone have any info on firstdata release? I just emailed them, if I get a response i will post it So someone PLEASE tell me I am wrong Deb __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!

03-10-2005, 10:41 AM	#26
joey3001 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 84	call their 1 800 735 3362

03-10-2005, 11:31 AM	#33
MacDaddyPlaya Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Just north of Cuba Posts: 1,785	There is a second wave of layoffs scheduled for 2:30 PM EST. Current management running that place are such complete scumbags. I still can not believe that there has not been a criminal investigation as to what went on and is going on there. Anyone who continues to process with them is contributing to the scam and will eventually fall prey to it. The only goal of the current management team is to get THEIR money our of the company. I think this was pretty evident when they came out with the GKARD, received funds from the bank for it yet didn't pay the webmasters who converted to it. They can no longer make payroll, so they have to fire (with minimal severence) the few loyal employees who stayed on board through it all. Its just a matter of time now. __________________ Sigless

03-10-2005, 11:48 AM	#35
keyboard warrior Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,435	I called IBILL last week and they said US payments WERE TO BE PAID YESTERDAY MARCH 9TH NOT -FUCKERS! "wErE Moving backwards please stand by" __________________ - nothing here -

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DeadFidel Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: This was my wife circa 2002 Posts: 6,760	Switched my worthless unclickable sig in honor of Webby's work.

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Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	I'm happy I only had one sponsor using iBill and they didn't convert.

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Cogitator Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 672	I hear that ibill EU payouts have been happening ok. But, they're a separate company. __________________ - this space intentionally left blank -

03-10-2005, 12:24 PM	#40
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	DeadFidel - This shit is looking worse by the day. Forgetting the scammy management company (more on them later) Jason threw into iBill to allow them to take a back seat, - I get this gutty feeling a few people are in a rush at the moment and something is coming to a head. March 9 was the day First Data originally were due to payout... but, if they have the sense they have shown so far, - they need to not pay iBill at this time. Gotta say... despite the crap - I got some sympathy for the staff at iBill who have been manipulated for some time now. __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

03-10-2005, 12:54 PM	#42
MacDaddyPlaya Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Just north of Cuba Posts: 1,785	Just to let you know how bad the shit is, the people that were let go today weren't even given any severence. They will get paid through tomorrow and that is it. People who were issued employment contracts ( an effort to keep people from leaving and taking clients with them) with guaranteed severence packages are also receiving nothing. Like every other agreement and contract these scumbags issue, they are not honoring it and never had any intention of doing so. If you are still sending them any business at all, you are enabling iBill to continue to perpetrate fraud. STOP!!!! __________________ Sigless

03-10-2005, 12:55 PM	#43
undermyspell Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 875	are there any sponsors still using them? If so, I would love to have a list of people who I would NOT send my traffic to.. if they fucked over the US people then paid the Euro guys or vice versa I wouldn't trust my traffic to a sponsor still willing to use them because the tables can turn on anyone getting paid at any moment

03-10-2005, 01:32 PM	#44
DEA - banned for life V.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: InYour Head Posts: 7,886	Webby , the reference to the US secured system you were asking about.....is ibills new Gkard secured system where they supposedly dont get there hands on your money and it gets deposited into you account by wire or ACH....there supposed to payout on march 15th for the feb 16th-28th revenue from gkard credit card transactions ONLY !...no checks...no reserves.....so basically for most webmasters it amounts to about $1.95- 39.95 depending on if there obligatory 1 sale in that pay period re-billed or not

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03-10-2005, 11:32 PM	#50
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,022	Bye bye Ibill. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION