you obviously haven't seen Mask TV.

We use real people. end of story. have done since 99.

Bullshit huh?


OK.... :thumbsup

I have clients asking me for stupid shit all the time. I have clients that think that a member wants to watch a 45 minute masturbation video. The truth is that the average member won't even watch the full length of a 10 minute masturbation video. If he likes it, he pops before 10 minutes...If he doesn't like it, he is not gonna stick around for 45 minutes.

People ask for shit all the time that makes no fucking sense. If my client wants me to pan to a guys face then that's what I shoot for them.

I also work with designers. The designers want those images for site tours and design shit.

Don't call bullshit on me just because you opinion is different. Go rent any straight...non POV...porn flick right now then come back here and tell me that they never panned to the guys face.

for me, the one site that really does it the RIGHT way is Shocking Parties from AdultPlayersClub...that site fucking rocks...aside from a few bad shots in a couple episodes, everything seems real organic and natural...it doesn't feel staged at all

I also think Her First Lesbian Experience from pluginfeeds.comhas it right...except for a couple lame episodes, most of it is produced really well...the guy running the camea knows how to balance banter with shutting the fuck up when the action gets going and the models who act as seducers are often good as well as the seducees...

lost in all of this "it's what the client wants" talk, it's too bad no one gives a fuck what the member paying the $30-40 per month wants.

I have friends who are serial porn membership buyers and they express the same disappointments as CDSmith did to start off this thread...

the reason the bangbus guys do it well and right is they were first and not just pale imitations...they are good at balancing "dude talk" with "shut up and let them fuck" time

Here you go. :thumbsup

First I said bullshit as in it's bullshit that someone would WANT that stuff to be shot. As in they are STUPID to want that stuff shot like that. Get it now?

Ummmmm I assume your clients expect make $$$ of your shoots right? Now if people like ME and EVERYONE I know will not PURCHASE their "custom shoots" with all that crap where do they make $$$$? Hmmmmmmm.

The CUSTOMER( as in ME ) is ALWAYS right.

Also I never said they didn't I believe I said porn in genreal has been doing this forever and I can't stand it. So quit getting all pissy like I was just harping on YOU and you alone.

Yep...You're right.

Hustler Video, VCA, DigitalSin, Dane Productions.....These guys must all be retards because I'm sure nobody is buying their stuff.

Are you a fucking reatrd? DO I not count as a CONSUMER? How about every single guy I know? They don't count? My OPINION as a consumer doesn't matter. Oh that's nice. Yep I'm the only guy who hates that crap and thus will not purchase those products.

I sell porn all day long and i have no idea what you guys are talking about. I do not think I have watched more then a porn clip in the 3 years I have been in the business.

Is that Toni from tonifreeland? If it is open it up to affiliates as I miss that sites conversions.

:thumbsup

Just say hello to the girl, have her take her clothes off and put your dick in her mouth. It's simple.

All you'll hear me say is "ooooooh shit" and "ummmmm that feels good"...but I don't yap throughout the whole shit. That would be silly.

Does your opinion matter to those companies?


Hmm...Let's take a look at this for a moment.....


They are all Million collar companies who have gotten there by selling what they think the consumer will like.

You do not like what they sell so that makes me a retard? Uh....OK.

To answer your question...No, clearly they don't give a fuck about you. In fact....Neither do I or most other GFYers.

Next.

I 100% agree. I dont need to look at guys face nor hear this stupid comments

How can I contact you off the boards?

I hate that! Guys making the O face isn't hot to girls either. If it's not too much guy face shots then it's close-up shots of hairy ass cracks & saggy balls.

Have you ever heard anyone ask for more taint shots??? :helpme

Unfortunately....Yes. :(

i agree with the talking....solo girl flicks or lesbian flicks are the best, cuz the cock is outta there completely, but even then some camera men keep on talking to the girl, and many of em also got this gay ass dirty voice, its fucked up!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Well let's take a look at mainstream. Obviously some big time execs at a big time studios thought Ishtar and Gigli were good ideas. I guess that makes them right.

No you are a retard because you totally missed my point. YOU started with tht crapy attitude towards me so don't get all acting like a baby because you're getting some crap throw back at you. If you dish it you better well dam take it or STFU. Got it buddy?

Fcat is if people like me who don't like that crap knownthat XYZ studio almost always puts out that crap well people like me are not buying those movies. Now if ZZZ Studio NEVER makes movies with that crap I am certainly many times more likely to purchase their movies.

Now are you SERIOUSLY telling me a studio would LOSE more sales by taking out the talking and faces? Show me ONE straight guy that would NOT watch a movie solely because the guys in it didn't talk or show thier faces.

Oh I'm crushed. :(

Next? Are in the 6th grade? What's next some "Your momma is so......" jokes?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I'd be tempted to outsource those particular shoots. But if coming through like a pro & taking care of your clients gets you to Hawaii every so often... :thumbsup

I have heard similar comments many times from consumers. I always try to keep my talking as a cameraman to a minimum during the sex part of the scene even in a reality video shoot, unless the premise specifically calls for it.

As far as the male actor's face being so ubiquitous in movies- that can be easily explained. Most male talent (even the pros) in the porn biz have to jerk their cocks off furiously to come, and not necessarily with aid from the girl. And there is almost always a pause in the action on set for them to prepare to do this and work it up and maybe for the lights to be adjusted and the most logical cutaway shot from a wide angle with both people in the shot to make a seamless edit is to a tight shot of the guy's face. Then edit them together as a straight jump cut (not a pan) to bridge the gap from the tail end of what might have been six and a half minutes of cock-jerking to the moment before he is about to finally unload on her face. It's either that or a picture on the wall or something. :)

Look....I'm in a shity mood and I misunderstood your remark about the bullshit thing so I became defensive and went on the attack myself. I've never had a problem with you and I really don't need one today.

I'm sorry. Soak it up.....It's not often that I feel an apology is deserved by me to anybody here.

Let's start over.

I understand exactly what you are saying. I agree with you for the most part.

Can we all do a group hug now?

Totally agree
The way a movie is shot makes or breaks the surfers experience and the retention later on.

Actually, Aaron is right. For one, the big porn companies, I mean the old-school BIG companies, have been producing porn loaded with "guy face" shots since the 70's, and probably even the 60's. Also, there certainly ARE clients who ask for specific, weird, fucked up shit all the time. But from my perspective, as a guy who has been watching porn since the 70's and who has fairly normal "average-guy" tastes, I would say that most (not all) average porn viewers agree with me. Showing the guy's face too much and having a lot of jabbering and laughing and yapping during the sex scenes is not the most preferred porn. No way anyone is going to convince me otherwise.

As for clients asking for that type of content, that's fine for them. My comments aren't addressed to those who have niche tastes who actually want that type of content. Of course there is a demand, and if you're marketing your stuff to that niche crowd more power to you. I'm talking about the porn samples you see on the really huge general-porn TGP's though... a lot of those galleries contain trailers chock full of the kind of crap I was originally referring to, and it IS being marketed to the masses, not niche-only.

And it basically sucks donkey cock. That's all.

You porn producers can take note of all the comments here agreeing with me, or you can ignore everything and keep your heads up your asses. No sweat off my firm tight yet hairy sack.

Actually, I have turned a lot of shit away that I wasn't interested in shooting.

However...Things are changing around here...Lotss of new services are starting to be offered. :)

Your comments may have been better off directed to the clients of the producers. The clients are the ones who call the shot and in a lot of cases, the client gets the raw tapes and edits them on their own. Therefore....It's the clients who are putting that shit in there...NOT the producers. :2 cents:

My favorite is when the camera guys cell phone goes off.

Hello?
Hi Honey.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm shooting some great stuff here.
Uh huh.
Sure I'll stop for milk on the way home.
Talk to you later.
Love you too!
Bye!

I suppose in some cases, yes, you're right. There are a lot of companies who hire producers (such as yourself) to provide their content. I was more speaking to the many many companies and individuals who produce their own content, and then market it to the masses.

Order one of those CD's from any big porn outfit, you know, the ones that say "7 hours of content!" etc? Chances are there will be scenes like those I've mentioned here no matter what company produced it. I honestly don't know why they insist on doing it, when judging by the overwhelming comments in this thread and the fact that I know of no guy who likes that kind of content, you'd think a few production outfits would "take note".

You know?

*content producer penetrating Maria's tight asshole*

"oh my God!" she screams

"Leave God Out if this" he replies

Best line EVER.

I wait for the day when a hardcore shoot has even a dash of originality or even better, the performers don't act like two robots who know how to do nothing more than yank, suck and spew.

How about a little teasing, flirting before the clothes come off?
How about a kiss or two?
How about the two acting like they even like each other?

Hardcore is just b-o-r-i-n-g. Nuff said.

We cool. I am often "misunderstood". Not really your fault. Perhaps I need to articulate myself better. I tend to have a short fuse. When I feel like I'm being challenged I'm quick to pounce. Perhaps I need to work on my board manners. CDSmith explained my point the way I wanted to.

And what about my request for a group hug? :winkwink:

Sure.

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Grassyass mi amigo

Great thread, this is why I only shoot my own extreme stuff. I know exactly what surfers want to see, I know the angles, the variety, and I know to keep my giggly mouth shut. I cannot believe the vast majority of stuff shot, must be shot by complete morons, who have fuckin clue what most people want to see. :Oh crap

that's like my idea of a perfect date

by the way, I was serious.

My sack actually is tight. No saggy balls in these underwears. No sir.

Never show the guys face during the money shot. And definitely don't ever show the guy for more than half a second. This is the biggest complaint 99% of men have with porn. That and bad music.

This is your idea of what "most" people want to see?

http://www.cheatingxxxwife.com/extremecash/index.html


Interesting. :repuke

cd smith

yer on the money dude.