Sgrena admits it may not have been deliberate. - GoFuckYourself.com

Workshop_Willy · 03-07-2005, 01:09 AM

From BBC News:

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Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena has said she cannot accept US troops accidentally fired on her car after her kidnappers freed her in Baghdad.

Ms Sgrena told the BBC Americans guarding Baghdad airport might not have been informed about her arrival, but their actions could not be excused.

Earlier, she suggested US troops might have deliberately tried to kill her.
Ms Sgrena told BBC News she could not say "why they shot at us in this way".

"But it's a very big responsibility and we ask a response on what happened," she said.

"It can't be just said that it was just an accident. We can't accept this, it is not possible."

She said Italian officials knew her car was on the airport road and she assumed they had informed the Americans.

She could not say if she was deliberately shot at "because we can't say if there was misinformation (in context, "miscommunication" - WW), but also misinformation in this case is a responsibility because you are in a war field".

"You have to have the responsibility to pass immediately any information and the information was given to the Italians that we were on the road so I think that they have given the information to tell the Americans that we were on the road."

OK, let's break this down.

1) They had NOT passed "all roadblocks", that has been clearly established.

2) She admits that Americans at the roadblock may not have known her convoy was coming.

3) Still unclear as to warnings, but she was quoted on CBS news that she did not see any flashing lights or see any hand signals. However, the airport road in Baghdad is quite busy. Who, by the way, was driving the car? What does he say about this? I'd like to hear it, if someone has a link to his report.

4) As she says above, she cannot say for certain that the shooting was deliberate. She says it seems possible that there was miscommunication between the Italians and the Americans. She appears to lay the blame for that miscommunication on the Americans, although that is an assumption on her part, as stated above.

5) Now for the BIG ONE: the BBC actually published this under the headline, " Hostage's shooting 'no accident'". Now that's a laugh! They used old information to open the article with that tricky third person singular present tense "has", which is also acceptable in common usage to connote a recent event in an evolving circumstance. And that is the entire basis, as far as I can see, for their having been technically able to get away with that headline. The BBC unbiased?

This is outright journalistic and grammatical chicanery, wouldn't you say?

So there you have it folks, the "conspiracy" hype is already losing it's foundation! But I'm sure that there will be those who will weave the theory that someone "got to" Sgrena. God knows the BBC is putting this story on life support.

Workshop_Willy · 03-07-2005, 03:34 AM

The silence of the catacombs...

directfiesta · 03-07-2005, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Workshop_Willy

Who, by the way, was driving the car? What does he say about this? I'd like to hear it, if someone has a link to his report.

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The U.S. military says the car was speeding toward a checkpoint and ignored warning shots, an explanation denied by government ministers and the driver of the car.

http://reuters.myway.com/article/200...OOTING-DC.html

Wave your flag please ...

jamesonxx · 03-07-2005, 03:42 AM

That reporter sucks.

directfiesta · 03-07-2005, 03:45 AM

Another conspiracy...Christ, why do people hate AMERIKA !!!!

Bulgaria Says Soldier Killed by U.S. Troops in Iraq

directfiesta · 03-07-2005, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesonxx

That reporter sucks.

Ever read her articles, or just out off the top of your head ( read il manifesto _.

If something sucks, it is the US invasion. THAT SUCKS...

Workshop_Willy · 03-07-2005, 04:01 AM

What? Avoiding the point of my post? You're not chicken are you? LOL

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Wave your flag please ...

He says almost nothing here, just gives the speed of the vehicle. 30mph, if you're 50 yards from a checkpoint, is too fast. If you're 1/4 mile away, that's not too fast. He also says nothing about warning signals, etc. Need more details.

I DID however take note of this:

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A national outpouring of grief and anger put pressure on Berlusconi, an ardent supporter of Bush and his war on terror, to get answers from Washington on what went wrong.

Hmm.. think maybe Il Manifesto and it's Communist readers might be using the accident to unseat a political rival? NNNAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! They're Communists! They never lie for political gain!

baddog · 03-07-2005, 04:05 AM

Now come on Willy, what do you think sells more papers?

"Hostage's shooting 'accident.'"

or

"Hostage's shooting 'no accident.'"

BRISK · 03-07-2005, 04:09 AM

The whole scenario is FUBAR, and I think the media is full of too much misinformation on both sides.

Wankenstein · 03-07-2005, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Wave your flag please ...

Fuck off! I f you were a ninteen year old US marine, you would blow the fuck out of anything that moved! (you want to see your family again, don't you) Don't confuse the actions of people who are inadvertidly involved in a situation that they did not create. The US people are not behind this!

Wankenstein · 03-07-2005, 04:12 AM

reply to my own post, just think about EVERYBODYS ponit of view!

Workshop_Willy · 03-07-2005, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Now come on Willy, what do you think sells more papers?

"Hostage's shooting 'accident.'"

or

"Hostage's shooting 'no accident.'"

Precisely, hence my use of the word "chicanery".

baddog · 03-07-2005, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Workshop_Willy

Precisely, hence my use of the word "chicanery".

I know what the word means . . . I just think it is too soft. Try dishonesty.

David! · 03-07-2005, 05:26 AM

This is just another conspiracy theory from the anti war front.
If you listen to them, GWB is responsible for Jesus' death.
The real responsible here is whoever was driving the car.
When you are told to stop your car by a bunch of armed men (whoever they may be), you stop unless you got a death wish

directfiesta · 03-07-2005, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Wankenstein

Fuck off! I f you were a ninteen year old US marine, you would blow the fuck out of anything that moved! (you want to see your family again, don't you)

You are right about that .

Funny how I posted such an evaluation of the situation in another thread about Sgrena, and got blasted by TheKing, FunForOne and the rst of the squadron that these were highly trained Rangers, with University decrees, not reacting to personnal emotions ...

Then they went on to grab each others crotch and blabbing military jargon of who is the superior of who ...

The US is actually NOT MEETING their qupotas of enrollement, even tough they are roaming HIGH SCHOOLS ....

directfiesta · 03-07-2005, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Workshop_Willy

What? Avoiding the point of my post? You're not chicken are you? LOL

You asked a question:

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Originally Posted by Workshop_Willy

Originally Posted by Workshop_Willy
Who, by the way, was driving the car? What does he say about this? I'd like to hear it, if someone has a link to his report.

You got an answer AND a link...

BTW, if Rules of engagement were known to the population and other westerners, It would reduce this type of muisfortunes... I presume you want a link for this too???

What else, hoild your dick while you piss in the air ??? I don't handle infected meat.

project_naughty · 03-07-2005, 07:30 AM

Mainstream media IS the enemy.

FunForOne · 03-07-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

You are right about that .

Funny how I posted such an evaluation of the situation in another thread about Sgrena, and got blasted by TheKing, FunForOne and the rst of the squadron that these were highly trained Rangers, with University decrees, not reacting to personnal emotions ...

Then they went on to grab each others crotch and blabbing military jargon of who is the superior of who ...

The US is actually NOT MEETING their qupotas of enrollement, even tough they are roaming HIGH SCHOOLS ....

why do you want bring me into this. I've said nothing.

Communist journalists tries to badmouth the United States. Thats not news.

If I were in charge, I would slap a John Kerry t-shirt on her and buy her some air time on all the news networks. I'd put Ward Churchill and Michael Moore standing right beside her. I'd buy them time also.

project_naughty · 03-07-2005, 07:37 AM

I like DirectFiesta's sig.

He's got it wrong though. It should read "four more BATTLES", for we are now in WW4 and WW4 will be settled by a series of battles for it itself is a war. Anyway, I'm just being pedantic.

Workshop_Willy · 03-07-2005, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

You asked a question:

You got an answer AND a link...

BTW, if Rules of engagement were known to the population and other westerners, It would reduce this type of muisfortunes... I presume you want a link for this too???

What else, hoild your dick while you piss in the air ??? I don't handle infected meat.

You must have missed the other 95% of the post, pointing out that Sgrena is changing her story faster than they can change her bandages. Any comment?

By the way, am I to take it to mean that you WOULD handle my meat if it weren't infected?

Workshop_Willy · 03-07-2005, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

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BTW, if Rules of engagement were known to the population and other westerners, It would reduce this type of muisfortunes... I presume you want a link for this too???

You are correct about that. With all the confusion, it has probably escaped the attention of Iraqis that driving right into a roadblock, patrol, or even a single US military vehicle is going to result in getting the shit shot out of you. They probably didn't know that. So in the interest of informing you of the rules of engagement, I suggest you brandish a weapon at the nearest policeman and proceed right up to him while ignoring his commands to "halt". You'll probably learn a lot about the rules of engagement in your hometown

. At the inquest, I'll testify movingly of your ignorance of these matters, and bring printouts testifying to the fact that you didn't know you weren't supposed to do that. I promise. Anything for bud like you.

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project_naughty Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 568	I like DirectFiesta's sig. He's got it wrong though. It should read "four more BATTLES", for we are now in WW4 and WW4 will be settled by a series of battles for it itself is a war. Anyway, I'm just being pedantic.