Dont you hate it when you sign up using you ref code - GoFuckYourself.com

Illicit · 03-05-2005, 03:38 PM

and the sign up never appears in your stats

Dirty F · 03-05-2005, 03:39 PM

I only hate it when people start threads like this and dont mention the sponsor.

DarkJedi · 03-05-2005, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ajpiii

and the sign up never appears in your stats

a lot of sponsors shave.
nothing to wonder about.

xenigo · 03-05-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

a lot of sponsors shave.
nothing to wonder about.

What do you think the average shave % is?

Dirty F · 03-05-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

What do you think the average shave % is?

How the hell should he know that.

yuvalus · 03-05-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

I only hate it when people start threads like this and dont mention the sponsor.

what he said

post the sponsor name or stfu

Manowar · 03-05-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

How the hell should he know that.

adult-industry-shaving-standards.com

tungsten · 03-05-2005, 04:35 PM

if the conversions turn to shit, its time to drop the sponsor

polish_aristocrat · 03-05-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

How the hell should he know that.

polish_aristocrat · 03-05-2005, 04:36 PM

btw i agree name the sponsor

DarkJedi · 03-05-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

What do you think the average shave % is?

I'd say about 25%-35%

xenigo · 03-05-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I'd say about 25%-35%

I've heard some guess much higher.

polish_aristocrat · 03-05-2005, 04:46 PM

this is an interesting thread

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/440280-stop-profitable-sponsors-sales.html

mrthumbs · 03-05-2005, 04:49 PM

back in 2001 / 2002 period i did about 15+ test signups with ARS not ONE went through.

Those were the days.

Illicit · 03-05-2005, 05:44 PM

It was a AFF

I signed up for a free membership and nothing showed up on my stats. then I look at my stats and see this:

3/1/2005 141 60 1 $19.95 2M, 0F $ 0.60 41% $ 0.00 $ 8.19
3/4/2005 90 59 0 $0.00 0M, 0F $ 0.00 0% $ 0.00 $ 0.00
3/5/2005 58 44 0 $0.00 0M, 0F $ 0.00 0% $ 0.00 $ 0.00

wtf happend to 3/2/2005 and 3/3/2004 ?

Granted I dont send alot of traffic to them, but wtf.

Spudstr · 03-05-2005, 06:12 PM

if a sponsor is going to shave.. atleast they should have a X value that you have to hit first before they start shaving.. this way it would make it harder to notice.. :-/

Illicit · 03-05-2005, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Spudstr

if a sponsor is going to shave.. atleast they should have a X value that you have to hit first before they start shaving.. this way it would make it harder to notice.. :-/

Im starting to think no one can be trusted in this business.

emthree · 03-05-2005, 07:00 PM

sig placement

Michael O · 03-05-2005, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ajpiii

Im starting to think no one can be trusted in this business.

It took you this long to find out?

SmokeyTheBear · 03-05-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ajpiii

Im starting to think no one can be trusted in this business.

lol Im guessing at one point you thought someone could be trusted ?

PrivateIvy · 03-05-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by yuvalus

what he said

post the sponsor name or stfu

I have to 3rd that.... call them out or else this thread is useless

Ivy

Illicit · 03-05-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

I have to 3rd that.... call them out or else this thread is useless

Ivy

If you read the thread you would have seen who

triumph · 03-05-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ajpiii

and the sign up never appears in your stats

the best thing to do is chargeback!

Spunky · 03-05-2005, 07:31 PM

Yea it sucks when that happens

emthree · 03-05-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

I have to 3rd that.... call them out or else this thread is useless

Ivy

AFF - Read next time

Pete-KT · 03-05-2005, 11:11 PM

that sucks bro

pxxx · 03-05-2005, 11:16 PM

Sucks to hear that, it is just the reality of the industry.

kuthi123 · 03-05-2005, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenigo

What do you think the average shave % is?

each program have different percenttage

thewebgarage · 03-05-2005, 11:25 PM

do they use nats?

Doc911 · 03-05-2005, 11:27 PM

I'd drop that sponsor right away.

Matt_WildCash · 03-05-2005, 11:32 PM

NATS programs don't shave or should I say can't (no control over code)

And honestly most programs don't need to shave. Some will reclaim sales from returning visitors. Like realitycash.com do and this is fine cause if they are paying $25-35 on tiny trials they need to take those extra cookie sales themselfs to stay in business. You make most of the money cause your getting paid $35 per signup. Recurring programs will give you those cookie return customers but won't make you as much overall as PPS sponsors cause recurring almost never makes as much even after 8 months of rebills.

Easton · 03-05-2005, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PrivateIvy

I have to 3rd that.... call them out or else this thread is useless

Ivy

A F F

in case you missed it

polish_aristocrat · 03-06-2005, 04:26 AM

i dont know how AFF works or credits sales, so...maybe someone from them will comment here?

Manowar · 03-06-2005, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

i dont know how AFF works or credits sales, so...maybe someone from them will comment here?

2houseplague might be able to

zentz · 03-06-2005, 04:36 AM

will someone please tell me who AFF is ????

Rex · 03-06-2005, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Easton

A F F

in case you missed it

She traded partial vision for a nice set tits -- even trade I would say.

quantum-x · 03-06-2005, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by zentz

will someone please tell me who AFF is ????

adult friend finder

quantum-x · 03-06-2005, 05:04 AM

Just a quick thought here.. not to rain on your parade, but in regards to your 'signup'..

Was this a full blown pull-out-the-credit-card gold membership AFF signup, or were you clicking through and just adding an email address?

I only ask, because if it's the latter, not the former, is it possible that you triggered their anti-fraud systems?

It would make sense to me...

SmokeyTheBear · 03-06-2005, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Driven

NATS programs don't shave or should I say can't (no control over code.

Its been proven on many occasions this just isnt the case..

I would bet my left nut that realitycash does NOT shave.

That being said recently realitycash fhg's were being redirected to 10dollarcash sites. Hits were tracked by nats but no sales as the page being displayed was not a nats site.

Now in this case it was a mistake , but any program could do the exact same thing and make it almost impossible to tell.

volante · 03-06-2005, 05:20 AM

AFF check signups manually, so it could be a few days before signups appear in your stats...

d00t · 03-06-2005, 08:48 AM

Keep in mind that some affiliate tracking works differently accross sponsors. Not many sponsors use the same software, and most is custom written.
I have provided security & fraud infomation to a lot of businesses here, including mainstream and adult companies.

Some things that may have triggered your "test signup" not to show in your stats are:

- Free or paid signup?
- Delayed Statistics?
- Did you use a females name on the CC and select you are male? or vice versa?
- Did you signup from the SAME IP as that you logged into the affiliate area with?
- Are you already a member? Same email used? Same CC# ? Maybe a combination.
- What country did you purchase from?
- What country is your CC based in?
- What ZIP/Postcode code did you use?
- Your signup may be "pending" in their database for one of the above reasons

Of course there are many many more reasons that could contribute to your test not appearing - I would be happy to discuss this with anyone - that is what I charge for

Chances are you were screened, not shaved. You'd be a fool to try and shave in this business today - it is so much easier to do business the upfront and honest way.

Every company needs, and should have an above average fraud control system, and/or someone moniterring fraud to come capacity. There is nothing worse than having an abundance of refunds and chargebacks that you have paid out on. If you don't have anything like this in place, or would like to upgrade your current solution, hit me up - fraud control is what I do =)

03-05-2005, 03:38 PM	#1
Illicit wtf ? Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: GFY Posts: 11,895	Dont you hate it when you sign up using you ref code and the sign up never appears in your stats

03-05-2005, 04:35 PM	#8
tungsten Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,579	if the conversions turn to shit, its time to drop the sponsor __________________ VOYEUR /HOMEMADE, HENTAI / CARTOON, Reality, Amateur, Shemale, Hardcore, Cuckold, Celebrity, Retro/Vintage, ect...ALL OUR SITES >> Unbelievable Ratio \| High % of Rebills \| Bi-Monthly Payments (also to E-Passporte) Ton's of EXCLUSIVE Free content & FHG's \|=> GREAT REVENUE $$$ GUARANTEED!

03-05-2005, 04:36 PM	#10
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	btw i agree name the sponsor __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

03-05-2005, 04:46 PM	#13
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	this is an interesting thread https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/440280-stop-profitable-sponsors-sales.html __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

03-05-2005, 06:12 PM	#16
Spudstr Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In a Tater Patch Posts: 2,321	if a sponsor is going to shave.. atleast they should have a X value that you have to hit first before they start shaving.. this way it would make it harder to notice.. :-/ __________________ Managed Hosting - Colocation - Network Services Yellow Fiber Networks icq: 19876563

03-05-2005, 03:39 PM	#2
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I only hate it when people start threads like this and dont mention the sponsor.

03-05-2005, 04:49 PM	#14
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	back in 2001 / 2002 period i did about 15+ test signups with ARS not ONE went through. Those were the days.

03-05-2005, 05:44 PM	#15
Illicit wtf ? Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: GFY Posts: 11,895	It was a AFF I signed up for a free membership and nothing showed up on my stats. then I look at my stats and see this: 3/1/2005 141 60 1 $19.95 2M, 0F $ 0.60 41% $ 0.00 $ 8.19 3/4/2005 90 59 0 $0.00 0M, 0F $ 0.00 0% $ 0.00 $ 0.00 3/5/2005 58 44 0 $0.00 0M, 0F $ 0.00 0% $ 0.00 $ 0.00 wtf happend to 3/2/2005 and 3/3/2004 ? Granted I dont send alot of traffic to them, but wtf.

03-05-2005, 07:00 PM	#18
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	sig placement __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •

03-05-2005, 07:31 PM	#24
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,949	Yea it sucks when that happens __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

03-05-2005, 11:11 PM	#26
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	that sucks bro

03-05-2005, 11:16 PM	#27
pxxx First African GFY Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,114	Sucks to hear that, it is just the reality of the industry.

03-05-2005, 11:25 PM	#29
thewebgarage Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: cali Posts: 1,002	do they use nats?

03-05-2005, 11:27 PM	#30
Doc911 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: If i was up your ass you'd know Posts: 3,695	I'd drop that sponsor right away. __________________ For PHP/MySQL scripts ICQ 161480555 or email [email protected]

03-05-2005, 11:32 PM	#31
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	NATS programs don't shave or should I say can't (no control over code) And honestly most programs don't need to shave. Some will reclaim sales from returning visitors. Like realitycash.com do and this is fine cause if they are paying $25-35 on tiny trials they need to take those extra cookie sales themselfs to stay in business. You make most of the money cause your getting paid $35 per signup. Recurring programs will give you those cookie return customers but won't make you as much overall as PPS sponsors cause recurring almost never makes as much even after 8 months of rebills.

03-06-2005, 04:26 AM	#33
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	i dont know how AFF works or credits sales, so...maybe someone from them will comment here? __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

03-06-2005, 04:36 AM	#35
zentz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,053	will someone please tell me who AFF is ???? __________________ Programs that owe me money ---- Epassporte.com ~ $2700 \| Protraffic.com ~ $2600 \| XonDemand.com ~ $3000 Email: [email protected]

03-06-2005, 05:04 AM	#38
quantum-x Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ICQ: 251425 Fr/Au/Ca Posts: 6,863	Just a quick thought here.. not to rain on your parade, but in regards to your 'signup'.. Was this a full blown pull-out-the-credit-card gold membership AFF signup, or were you clicking through and just adding an email address? I only ask, because if it's the latter, not the former, is it possible that you triggered their anti-fraud systems? It would make sense to me... __________________ PrettyInCash.com - BoozedGFs.com - TeenGFs.com - JizzGFs.com- MilfUploads.com -

03-06-2005, 05:20 AM	#40
volante Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LAX Immigration Posts: 2,940	AFF check signups manually, so it could be a few days before signups appear in your stats...

03-06-2005, 08:48 AM	#41
d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	Keep in mind that some affiliate tracking works differently accross sponsors. Not many sponsors use the same software, and most is custom written. I have provided security & fraud infomation to a lot of businesses here, including mainstream and adult companies. Some things that may have triggered your "test signup" not to show in your stats are: - Free or paid signup? - Delayed Statistics? - Did you use a females name on the CC and select you are male? or vice versa? - Did you signup from the SAME IP as that you logged into the affiliate area with? - Are you already a member? Same email used? Same CC# ? Maybe a combination. - What country did you purchase from? - What country is your CC based in? - What ZIP/Postcode code did you use? - Your signup may be "pending" in their database for one of the above reasons Of course there are many many more reasons that could contribute to your test not appearing - I would be happy to discuss this with anyone - that is what I charge for Chances are you were screened, not shaved. You'd be a fool to try and shave in this business today - it is so much easier to do business the upfront and honest way. Every company needs, and should have an above average fraud control system, and/or someone moniterring fraud to come capacity. There is nothing worse than having an abundance of refunds and chargebacks that you have paid out on. If you don't have anything like this in place, or would like to upgrade your current solution, hit me up - fraud control is what I do =)