I will explain how it might be done...

First I need to determine:

a) Will IBill let me set a cookie of a paysite calling ANY URL...? I think the answer to this is YES. I can probably use the IBill code to call a 1x1 image on my own site to place the cookie for any IBill paysite that is using cookies to credit webmasters for signups.

b) IF IBill only allows cookies to be set *if* the "redirected" URL (ie: the stuff after the "?") is substring searched for the domain of the paysite... THEN I would find a very small image on that paysite (like a little bullet or visa.gif) and use that image to set the cookie...

Take all these little tiny images -- place them at the top of your page -- *BAM* -- you are the master referrer of all of these paysites!

amp> do you think it's fair? say someone is at my site, clicks on a sponsor link and quickly changes his mind and come back to follow some more links, then gets to YOUR site, and YOU get him horny enough to click+sign up, and i get the credit...
is that fair?
worse yet, let's say he clicked my ref sponsor link 2 days ago?

May I suggest DMR as a billing solution?

I'm sorry... have I been unclear?

Roberto... you got a ref code to my site. Someone clicks on the banner with that ref code. BAM! You got the credit until that cookie's duration runs out. Whether that's three days or ten seconds.

Mr. Surfer decides tomorrow that he does indeed want to buy a membership. But has a buddy named The FLY who he knows has a ref code for the same site... so he goes and clicks on The FLY's ref code and signs up....

Who gets the credit for that sale? Roberto.

The only way FLY would get credit for that, is if Mr. Surfer waited until the cookie expired... or went into his hard drive and deleted his cookies and THEN clicked on FLY's ref code.

What is so unfair about that? How else are you going to track a surfer for any length of time? Or do we just NOT track them at all? Is that MORE fair? Bullshit..... first ref code in gets the sale. Provided... it's within the set time period.

I see nothing unfair about it.

The answer is no.

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i do, at least if it's for 3 days, a couple hours is ok, otherwise using a sponsor that sets a cookie seems like selling totally at random.
whatever

Well can you explain your position? Help me to see why it's unfair? I'm actually not trying to be a smart ass on this one.... if there's a hole in the theory of cookie use... I would like to know, because I use them myself. If someone can show me why I shouldn't, I will either cease use of them or fix the code so it can't be cheated.



[This message has been edited by Amputate Your Head (edited 12-06-2001).]

don't be so sure real mangoo because out there some programmers can do real magics.

Even a couple of hours allows a TGP to cheat.

amp> i pretty much explained my point, not trying to be a smartass myself neither, but i don't understand why should i get credit for someone else's sale, or someone else getting credit for my sale (most important http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif ) i just can't see the logic.
let's say we are telemarketers, we both sell the same product and have the same prospective clients database, i call first, i suck at telemarketing and this potential customer doesn't buy to me.
now 2 days later you phone the same person, actually manage him/her to buy the same shit i couldn't, and I (that previously failed to sell) get paid the commision? what's the logic?!?

Well... I see your point, but it's not like we're on a one-on-one with surfers like you would be in a face to face or even a phone convo... it's a prescribed banner or text link we're dealing with. There really isn't any personality involved. So that theory goes right out the window. From there it comes down to marketing and design skills.... may the better man win.

However... I AM wondering now if it is possible to set the "credit" cookie through img srcing a ref code. I honestly had never even thought about it. (I don't inherently have a cheaters mind....) but that is a very good point. I don't believe it is possible.... I think you would have to actually load a page with the link to get the cookie to set... but still... it would be very easy to load it into a zero frame or a self closing console. And if the duration on that thing was more than a minute or two.... uuuuuggggghhh...

Hmmm.... I'm fighting it with all of my being... but I think I may have to end up agreeing with... *gulp*.... The FLY on this one.

Fuck....

dunno if i must say this, but actually you can do it with 1 line of asp http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif

This thread should be deleted immediately.

FLY reading that made my Head Hurt man dont do shit like that agian now i need some goddamn Asprin AND to turn the KORN UP AND MOSH IN TO THE COMPUTERS

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Well shit, I'm convinced. With logic, and proof like that, I'd be a fool to think otherwise.


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not possible......the browser wont allow any site that doesn't have ownership of the cookie to manipulate, read or even overwrite the cookie
ibill is the only site that can mess with ibill cookies.
if you try to manipulate some other sites cookie the browser ignores your command.

This is what you need to be interested in
and Watch out for. DIALERS
People are Down Loading a EXE.
What rule do you go by, Don't DL an EXE
From ANYONE you don't know.
If you download a EXE, you just exposed yourself to who knows what.
Gator ware? Ring a bell.
Not saying dialers are bad, but since this topic was brought up, might as well open a bigger can of worms.
Dialers basically have physical access to the computer.
There are some tricks with cookies that the sponsors can play to shave signups but no other site is manipulating their cookies to cheat you

I'm not liking the sound of this much.


RD

The answer is yes, depending on the program you're sending to. No big surprise...
As always, know your sponsor.

re tracking: Roberto is right, which is another reason not to rely on cookie only tracking. Whoever sent the surfer when he actually signed up is the guy that should get the sale.

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Right GG.... but I see now what FLY was talking about... if you got a ref code, and I got a ref code... I got a TGP site and you submit a gallery that gets listed...

I can load a zero frame with my ref code for "Big Fucking Tits dotcom" or whatever... and SHAZAM! The cookie is set. If you happen to be promoting that site on your gallery.... you are now fucked for three days or whatever the duration of the cookie is, because any clicks on your banners are worthless... I'm getting credit for that system from the cookie I already set.

Your gallery is now nothing more than free content for me. And you will post topics about how come you're not making any money from your gallerys. Oh, you'll have critiques and all kinds of shit... but it makes no difference.

Now... imagine if I load the cookie for every fucking paysite that that particular sponsor has.... you ain't gonna make a dime.

FLY nailed it on this one.

It's worse than that bro... You never need to make the call in the first place. Setting the cookie is transparent and requires no effort.

talked about a long time ago. kinda boring really.

You don't even need a zero frame!

Just use img src's width=1 or width=0 or something like that at the top of your page...

I will flesh out the HTML code if anyone needs to see it.

Ok sorry I am late getting into this..... was watching a hockey game ( It's a Canadian thing lol )

Ok, stop freaking out....

If a surfer gets sent to ibill from a guys site and the cookie is set with his code... then he goes to your site and you send him to ibill the cookie will get reset to your code no matter what the expiry date of the cookie is. Also, no one can modify the the cookie, only the site that set it can read and write to it.

I have setup a little "test" you can play with...
http://www.erasercash.com/cookietest/

Here you can view the cookie, Set it to one value on one page and then goto another page and reset it to an other value.

You can even Delete the cookie from your system...

The method to change the cookie is the same as setting it in the first place....

Hope this helps.....


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Exactly!

Lightning, Thanks ;-)

Ok that is comforting... But who decides how this is tracked? Has adult.com made this decision on its own? Or is IBill entirely in control of this "feature"?

Mine was based solely on duration & first click in. I am missing the code that resets for a new visit to a different code, but sustains for returns to base domain type ins.... but not for long. Thank U.

Oh, I forgot to mention.... The cookie test pages set the cookie for 3 days.

You can see it if you turn on your cookie "Warning" in your browser..



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Hey Mike, See I new you were just the person to help out here http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

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hey Mike, you really rock as lightning said
the cookietest page you made helped a lot.

Does CCBill reset the cookie w/ the last referrer regardless of the expire time?

Now Fly got ccbill on his mind http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

KK will shoot you,first the button, now this http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

It is not in any ones control this is the nature of cookies. I guess that the "site" could check to see if the cookie is already set and then NOT reset it, extra code to slow down the system and screw the webmaster, not likley, beside it would be way to easy to spot.....



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good to see there's no way to cheat it, but that doesn't save us from 1-click-3-days-long-sales http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif

[This message has been edited by Roberto (edited 12-06-2001).]

some (extremely) general info on ibill cookies - they last 24 hours. seemed on topic:

http://209.217.46.18/uvlight/images/cookie.gif

the frame page can only access the cookies for its site and the paysite can only access the cookies for its site

Intresting to say the least..

IBILL SUCKS..

CCBILL ROCKS..

Well this is a good feature, think about it this way.
Guys surfs your site, goes to sponsor.... the cookie is set with your code...

Wife walks in and instead of signing up, he CTRL-D and then closes the window.

Day Later....

He sees the bookmark and goes back to the sponsor without hitting your site first, you'll still get credit for the sale.....

BUT
if he goes to another free site and gets back to the sponsor from the other site, your out of luck the cookie will get reset...

We have gotten more than one email about people getting signups to Cashtour sites with out sending a click for that day..

This is why....




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