Goodbye all paysites.

[TheFLY]

I heard a rumor that TheHun and Adult.com are going to buy up all the major content companies and give away all the porn for free -- hoard all the traffic to themselves -- then make profits selling Internet Eraser, Adult Friend Finder, and other mainstream products/services.

The photographers will be on a good salary. Word of mouth on this is going to be huge -- Time Magazine, Newsweek, CBS, NBC, you name it...

All the free pics will include the tag "TheHun Loves Adult.com"



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[Darjan Popic]

You are crazy.
I also know you.

You cause problem for my program one year ago no?
You are stupid, not knows anything about money.

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[Jer]

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Are you drunk, Pete ? ;-)

[BradShaw]

Do not think the Hun could afford me.

He links to more stolen content than anyone. maybe the license plate on that Ferrari that he is so proud of should read, THIEF.

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by BradShaw:
Do not think the Hun could afford me.

My source is telling me that you weren't on the list...

[TheFLY]

Anyway I failed to mention that there is major outside investment money behind all of this...

[This message has been edited by TheFLY (edited 11-19-2001).]

[Clownbarf]

Wait a minute, whose plate are you talking about here. His or yours?

Originally posted by BradShaw:
Do not think the Hun could afford me.

He links to more stolen content than anyone. maybe the license plate on that Ferrari that he is so proud of should read, THIEF.

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[Kimmykim]

Pipe dreams said the Fly to the spider.

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Clownbarf:
Wait a minute, whose plate are you talking about here. His or yours? :D

Yeah Brad -- you still owe me $1000 for the 20,000 clickthroughs I sent to your Amateur Pages clone.

[funkmaster]

fly, if brad did not pay you, there is only one answer for this ... you did not play by the rules. this guy pays anybody ... period !

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[Keev]

HUH?

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by funkmaster:
fly, if brad did not pay you, there is only one answer for this ... you did not play by the rules. this guy pays anybody ... period !

I don't need to start yet another pissing match over Brad Shaw's reputation. I wouldn't even let him wash my windows at a stoplight. I have nothing to gain by calling him a liar, a thief, and a pussy.

If you think that he hasn't cheated to get as far as he has -- you are just a fool. Maybe someday you will thank me for warning you.

[rollin]

Brad Shaw does pay...
i have promoted his program on and off through the years, since he first begun with Teen Goddess through CTC...
He could not cheat through ctc because ctc is third party and dosen't give you that type of options (ctc - click thru calvin).
I am sure he had really good reason not to pay you thefly...
However, i feel for you bro, and i think you should talk to brad shaw and see if you can get your money. I am sure if you talk to him right, he will be open for discussion on paying out that balance...he is a fair guy.

[rollin]

thefly
what was the reason he didn't want to pay anyways? just curious, never caught the thread with you and him pissing...

[the indigo]

any guy running a Pay Per Signup program or pay per click is a liar and a thief. He always paid me... for the signups he wanted to.

[Derek@XAMO]

Is the fly for real??

[rollin]

no his topic is a joke lol
i don't think there is enough money in the pockets of those fellas to afford freshphotos,ounique,seg, for that matter hehe..

[rollin]

no his topic is a joke lol
i don't think there is enough money in the pockets of those fellas to afford freshphotos,ounique,seg, for that matter hehe..

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by Derek@XAMO:
Is the fly for real??

I believe we can safely say he lives in his own version of reality.

Click thru programs don't pay cheaters. Ask 12clicks or Lens -- and while I'm not calling Pete a cheater, I do find it amazing how many threads are about people not getting paid sending per click traffic who claim they NEVER cheated.

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Kimmykim:

I believe we can safely say he lives in his own version of reality.

who doesn't?


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I heard a rumor that Bill Gates wants to buy all major TGPs in return !

[RedShoe]

Originally posted by Equinox:
I heard a rumor that Bill Gates wants to buy all major TGPs in return !

It's no rumor. Ms has been rerouting TGP traffic, and general adult traffic to the MS website. Oh wait, that's what XP does... nevermind.



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[SmutPimp]

Equinox

I wouln't be suprised if he already owned some of them ;-)

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by Equinox:
I heard a rumor that Bill Gates wants to buy all major TGPs in return !

Gates has a proven track record making money, what would he want with tgps?

[boneprone]

I love to listen to Pete's Philosphy!

Yoda!

[pr0]

that'd never work

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by pr0:
that'd never work

Yeah, and the world is still flat too.

[Vicodev]

ahh fuck it..nevermind. Waste of a thread

[This message has been edited by Vicodev (edited 11-20-2001).]

[boneprone]

Shit, we need to all get together in Vegas, smopke a bong and sit in a circle and just let the Fly talk.

It will blow our fucking minds!

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by rollin:
Brad Shaw does pay...
He could not cheat through ctc because ctc is third party and dosen't give you that type of options (ctc - click thru calvin).

Why do you think he had the CTC option to track signups turned off when Amateur Pages and other programs had this information available to webmasters. He was hiding how many signups we were really sending.

Originally posted by rollin:
Brad Shaw does pay...
I am sure if you talk to him right, he will be open for discussion on paying out that balance...he is a fair guy.

Yeah right. I spent months calling them -- they gave me the run-around -- "the check is in the mail" -- they played dumb for as long as possible. Meanwhile I was on their new proprietary counting software and I was converting better than 1:400. I really needed the money at the time -- I was moving to NY. Every time I called, Brad was in some meeting or moving his boats around -- there was even laughter in the background of some of these calls. They had been paying me thousands of dollars for months and months -- never a kind word or even "thanks"... Anyway I learned my lesson.

Don't trust strangers with your money.

In any case he is not my competition, nor do I want any money from the guy. The most I could hope for would be for him to apologize.

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[TheFLY]

Originally posted by rollin:
no his topic is a joke lol

Yeah bro -- and not too many people got the joke or its implications.

Stop to take a look at what Absolute was doing?! If he had 5000 galleries -- at 50 cents/gallery per day average -- that's $75,000 per month -- or $900,000 per year. This is without any *work* on the part of Absolute Series and does not take into account the money that he is making off his portal and his brand -- affiliate referrals, etc. etc. Surely with $75,000/month he can afford to be shooting his own models and buying his own exclusive photo sets -- and *giving* those away for FREE -- more fuel in the fire.

Sorry to break the news -- but content is relatively cheap compared to how much money is made with the traffic that it produces. The value of content will not increase because girls will still get naked for $200. There is no short supply of women.

This concept of the master TGP empire is totally plausible -- and *because* it is plausible -- it *will* come true. This is not just a joke. This is my prediction of the future. Laugh all you want... but it is *already* happening.

Just imagine what would happen if TheHun started shooting his own models? He will still be driving his Ferrari and eating 3 meals a day -- and you will all be crying.

Oh wait. I forgot.
You are all already crying about The Hun.

Hahaha!

Go Fuck Yourselves.

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[rollin]

thefly,
man, that sucks about your dealings with brad shaw, i only ever had good dealings with him...i really feel for ya though, i know how hard it must be at times when you need cash and its suppose to come, but dosen't...bills to pay, mouths to feed, is how the saing goes...
if you ever need any help with anything, please do not hesitate to ask...

...brad shaw...come on guy, settle this with thefly, i know your a good guy, so i am sure you are willing to work something.

[funkmaster]

"This is not just a joke. This is my prediction of the future. Laugh all you want... but it is *already* happenin"

yes, you are right here. if you take a close look at all top TGP´s you´ll notice that a good amount of links already go to own stuff. it´s just a question of time until those guys will convert 100% of their traffic by themselves ... and you can blame them for this.

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[TheFLY]

So in summary. It boils down to this.

If *any* guy can get pics of a hot naked babe for $300 -- and if *any* guy can do this and make $10 dollars profit a month off the pics for the rest of his life -- with hardly *any* effort -- he will do it!

Any nobody can stop him.

This is why you are losing money!!!!

Not the content providers, not the whiners, not the affiliate programs, not KimmyKim, not Brad Shaw, not even the mighty evil 12Clicks or the power of Boneprone can keep women from getting naked.

AHhahaah!

So start crying you babies.
Party is over.



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[funkmaster]

... your are a genious !! and now please post a copy of that pissing match you had with bradley, if there was any ...

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[rollin]

sending 100% to themselves will never happen...
why?
because your conversions will lower, thus for you not making any money.
you need fresh traffic, not the same old shit, and sharing traffic across many many different sites, provides this...

there are more con's then pro's in that decision (to send to themselves)

[rollin]

the internet is a big network of sharing, with out sharing, the internet would not be where it is at as it is today.

[spacedog]

The Hun's Got a Ferrari?
WOW..I want one...
How do I get rich like the hun, without stealing content & without pop ups & exit consoles & without blind links & without cheating??:eek & without violating law??:eek

[Rocky]

once upon a time...

[DarkJedi]

pr0 - gimme my 250$ back !!!


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[Kimmykim]

Are we playing the who's smoking crack contest today or what?

[Soothsayer]

Here's a little inside info for TGP Webmasters to help stop infringement.

Ban the following freehosts from posting.

terra.es
iddeo.es
eresmas.es
supereva.it
ya.com
pornsuite.net
ecstasyporn.net
sex-mission.com
redxxxpages.com
space4porn.com
hotfreehost.com

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by rollin:
sending 100% to themselves will never happen...
why?
because your conversions will lower, thus for you not making any money.
you need fresh traffic, not the same old shit, and sharing traffic across many many different sites, provides this...

there are more con's then pro's in that decision (to send to themselves)

These are important points that I already addressed. Of course TheHun will never be the only site on the internet -- the world is not black and white like that... nor will anyone ever be able to cover every niche adequately by themselves. BUT as we have all seen -- the trend is for traffic to shift to sites that offer more and more for free. *And* they will continue to "out-free" each other as long as they are still making enough money to comfortably pay the bills...

"because your conversions will lower, thus for you not making any money."

-- that's exactly why I made the point that TheHun will still be "eating three meals a day" -- so-fucking-what if his conversions are lower? The hypothetical mammoth Hun shooting his own content is going to lose a few hundred bucks off of each shoot... his conversions to non-pictoral adult ads will not drop -- and *even* if his conversions to the adult-paysites on his page dropped -- he would *still* be making more money because he would have *more* traffic then ever before. Sorry Kimmykim but whirling hit millions on traffic counters still = big profit...

and because there is no barrier to entry in this business the trend will continue -- college kids building HTML for beer money will always be competing on a level playing field with "the big boys". The traffic has been consolidating and will continue to do so -- but because it's still a fun business to be in -- there will always be plenty of sites to choose from -- they will just not make as much money as before. This is not a pipe dream -- it's already here -- and the hit counters keep climbing and ratios keep falling -- write me off as a pot head -- keep your head in the sand...


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[Kimmykim]

My customers run paysites, our revenues are steadily increasing.

They collect money from the surfers, they don't watch those mystical hit counters in the sky.

Perhaps you are stuck in a paper bag fly and you are attempting to read the directions on how to get out.

[Dopy]

I would much rather heads stay in the sand for as long as possible. Study the Huns Yellow Pages carefully

[Trax]

lol
fly gone crazy go on..

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[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Kimmykim:
My customers run paysites, our revenues are steadily increasing.

They collect money from the surfers, they don't watch those mystical hit counters in the sky.

And my beard is still growing. So what? This doesn't change the validity of my statements.

[Dopy]

Originally posted by Trax:
lol
fly gone crazy go on..

Maybe, lots of stuff has come out of crazy.
Read again in 2003

[On-top]

Originally posted by TheFLY:
Yeah bro -- and not too many people got the joke or its implications.

Fly, I missed it. I think this thread is just hard to follow. By titling it what you did, and not stating that it was a joke, people were immediately defensive, and less open minded when reading it and replying to it. I read it half a dozen times before I realized what concepts you were pushing.

Even scarier though, is the fact that I think I agree with you on most points. Consolidation will occur, leaders will continue to survive, hit counters keep climbing and ratios keep falling, and the trend is for traffic to shift to sites that offer more and more for free. These are all true. The business is maturing. It's just like the net over the last year. The companies without productive business plans continue to die. It's not the end of the world, it just means you better be ahead of the curve or you'll be one that gets marked off the list. If you are on-top of things, you will thrive.

Really, being adult oreinted doesn't change the business aspects of this inustry that much. It's just like every other industry sector. It has it's ups and downs, advances and setbacks, depending on the market place and the industry's ability to deal with that market.

Not ground breaking news, just business.