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SomeCreep · 02-20-2005, 02:42 AM

100 cascades

Far-L · 02-20-2005, 03:15 AM

I can definitely say Venus is not a newbie and certainly has a clue on running a business and I agree with much of what he is saying regarding owning your own merch account vs. using third party billing.

No offense, Venus was making money as a savvy marketer in this biz long before Kimmy and SleazyDream.

On a side note, there are plenty of reasons some of the big companies HAVE to use third party processors even though they could afford to do otherwise by owning their own merch account.

There are pros and cons to each. Any business owner should weigh both before making a decision.

Nathan · 02-20-2005, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ULVideo

See, Nathan, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm sure you've got a great product (and I hear great things about it). but rather than
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from being shy about throwing out numbers to the client for fear the won't like the numbers they hear. some of this comes from not understanding the product/not having enough confidence in the product you are selling).

On average, depending on how you cascade, what billers you use, how extensive you set it all up, you can get 10-15% increase in sales just by good cascading alone.

Lets say you have 100 joins a MONTH thats around 10 extra joins just by cascading. Lets pretend you only make $15 PROFIT per join (you most likely do more than that), thats $150 a month more. NATSlite, which is for anyone with up to 150 joins a month, costs $150 a month, so you cover the extra cost of NATSlite's monthly price.

Like I said many times cascading is not the only thing you will be doing with NATS. Its most likely the thing that is going to gain you the least amount of money in the end. Managing your programs more efficiently, giving your affilaites more control over what they promote, and many other things that will make you more and more money. There are many more things that make you more money, but I can not list everything here.

Nathan · 02-20-2005, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SeniorX

hmm... what happens if NATS or MPA for whatever reason would suddenly disappear one day like so many processors have? what data would their clients lose? what would be the downtime scenario? Which is better, NATS or MPA? is MPA only cascading billing or tracking and extra features also like NATS?

Like charlie already posted with a link to another post, when NATS for whatever reason suddenly disappears, you get the NATS source code via our lawyers. There is 0 loss of data. There is 0 downtime (you host the system).

Which is better NATS or MPA? Get demos of both (and possably the others out there), talk to all the companies, talk to their clients and draw your own picture of which one you think is best for you. Just make sure you really talk to the companies and hear what they have to say.

MPA also has extra features over cascading billing, yes.

BV · 02-20-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk

reread what you just said.

they both spend an abundance on advertising and when you go to eat somewhere they only have those two choices. do you see a connection?

they have one or the other, not both, and we settle for whatever they have, usually

Zprogramz · 02-20-2005, 12:16 PM

IMO having your own merchant account is the best situation for most. We run exclusively through Netbilling and have very low chargebacks. We use CCbill as a cascading backup.

Z

OY · 02-20-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SeniorX

hmm... what happens if NATS or MPA for whatever reason would suddenly disappear one day like so many processors have? what data would their clients lose? what would be the downtime scenario? Which is better, NATS or MPA? is MPA only cascading billing or tracking and extra features also like NATS?

MPA3 resides completely on your servers in your datacenter. You are protected contractually if something was to happen to us.

Here are some of the extra features in addition to the cascading billing feature (which is really a minor feature in the big picture):

Geo tracking - opportunity to redirect the surfers from certain countries to special tour pages (a dialer page or other alternative payment methods ? see list of new payment platforms)

Administrator can choose which countries are trusted and not trusted for members.

Opportunity for the webmasters to choose if they want to get paid by check, direct deposit or wire

Opportunity to offer several tour options

MPA3 is totally customizable to have YOUR look and feel. No one will ever know what backend you are using for your affiliate program

Programs - Per Unique, Per Signup, Partnership, Per Active Member

Offer free trial membership where the webmaster will get paid X amount of $ or % only after he have recurred over to a monthly membership

Stats - per program (includes uniques, free trials, paid trials, conversions, rebilling, chargeback's, payout), fully customizable by the administrator for look and feel

Profit stats

Different price and payout options for each site in the program, fully customizable to fit both the site and the program in question

Country restrictions for webmasters - give the admin the opportunity to add or delete countries to limit webmaster fraud

Approve webmasters before activation. This is chosen whether or not to by the administrator

Campaign tracking

Activate and deactivate certain pricing options instead of just deleting them, and making new ones.

Opportunity to link directly to the signup pages

Opportunity for the administrator to choose if he/she wants to give REBILLED customers access to all sites participating in the webmaster affiliate script. Their username and password must be added to all sites. Increase member retention.

Opportunity to offer a member that is about to cancel membership access to all or some extra sites in the program for free if they chooses to stay

Program keeps full history of all active, cancelled or declined members

Opportunity to add ClickTruth as a third party auditing service to ease affiliates minds to the solidity and honesty of the webmaster running the program.

MPA3 allows 100% of the administration to be performed via the web browser.

MPA3 allows the administrator to choose to cascade between the 3 billing processors, and in what order.

MPA3 stats have an intuitive, point-and-click interface.

Ability to view the number of joins by day or by period.

Unlimited commission configurations - formula, flat rate (per sign up or per unique) or percentages.

The admin area has an easy to read overview over each accounts current earnings, as well as past pay periods.

Flexible payout able to conform to any pay schedule - set to bi-monthly as default.

Real-time member statistics for each site in the program.

MPA3 has built in anti-cheating feature.
The admin can:
? search for webmasters with a better signup ration then ....
? search for webmasters with a higher charge back ratio then ...
? The admin will get a warning if traffic is coming from the same anonymous proxy server
? The admin will get a warning if signups coming from the same IP
? MPA3 will report all unsuccessful signups per webmaster that are more than % that the admin set
? Admin can set for every site an alternate URL for not trusted countries

Ability to generate text files for QuickBooks.

Backup and Restore Database Ability hourly.

Allows revoking of commissions in the event of fraud or chargebacks.

It shows the referrals that the partners are sending their traffic from, with the URL and amount by day, month and year.

It shows the sign-ups, the sign-up ratio and what processor it used for the transaction.

It ranks them by the amount of traffic they are sending.

The program gives the admin the opportunity to add and delete passwords to all sites in the program.

Reward Program - Now you can give your webmasters points for each signups they are sending you and let them choose different prizes in return for their points.

Live stats. Both admin and webmasters will be able to see their stats constantly with a little browser window while they surf the internet.

Advanced SMS and WAP features. Both admin and webmasters can get messages when signups are done and read stats with their Cell phone.

Gallery of the day. Offer your webmasters a new gallery each day with their own referral url.

Picture of the day. Offer your webmaster a new picture each day with their own referral url.

Sub admin. Now you can have other peoples sites in your program and let the site owner get access to his own admin stats but only for the sites you allow him to see.

Integrated ad tracking for in-house campaigns.

Subscriptions can be cancelled from the admin panel without having to go to each billing processor.

Customer lookup through, subscription id, email, username, first and last name, and the ability to change members info.

Tools for a webmaster data searching by partner ID, and ability to update his info, deactivation or canceling.

The program automatically deactivate a webmaster if they send no traffic throughout a period of one month (deactivation, not canceling)

Customized outbound emails to webmasters & surfer signs-ups/cancellations.

Mass Email for admin use. Select by active/inactive webmasters, and by active/expired members for each site.

Message of the day displays for all webmasters when they logs in.

Use any html page as a template to generate both the webmasters sign up form and the program sign up form.

Instant account activation for affiliates.

Allows both text and banner (image) links.

Allow affiliates to modify their account information.

Detailed breakdowns by day, week, pay period.

Realtime statistics for each of the sites they are sending traffic to. It will show uniques by counting IP's sent to the sites.

Statistics broken down to uniques, signups, sign up ratio per site, and which processor it used for the transaction.

URL code generation for affiliates so they cannot make mistakes.

It shows them referral (where the traffic is coming from) and how many sign ups that source has generated.

The statistics page also shows the earnings for this pay period by "a per sign up" or percent deal.

Webmaster statistics from current pay period & up to a year history.

AND MUCH MUCH MORE

You can also read about the features here: http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa3/features.html

TheEnforcer · 02-20-2005, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Why every site out there doesn't have at least two credit card join options, one checking join option, the ability to accept Eurodebit, Asian credit solutions, phone billing, dialers, and magic beans if you can find a way to cash them in, is totally and completely beyond me.

TheEnforcer · 02-20-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ULVideo

See, Nathan, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm sure you've got a great product (and I hear great things about it). but rather than give concrete numbers, or even round numbers, all I get is "vote for us! we're the best!". And I'm sure lots of other small guys feel the same. See, what I'm saying is that when small operators hear stuf lik that, most often we can't sit down and mak a long evaluation of every new product, so we just pass over anything which we don't get some upfront idea of exactly what it takes for it to be worthwhile.

I'm sure you guys have actually worked out wher the breakeven points are in usuing your sysem (if you haven't, you're not doing your job in selling the stuff). i realize hat folks are afraid to lose sales because if you give out numbers before making a slaes coptact, you may scare people off. But instead you lose sales because people assume that it's not right for them.

Why not just say something along the lines of "From our research, we find that on average our cascading billing software alone improves sign-ups by 11%. So, for a site with a $35 per month charge, the $2,500 for the software gets paid for in only 5 months for any site doing only 150 joins a month on average." (or whatever the real numbers are)

(note: I do sales training, and one of the most pervasive reasons for not closing sales is worrying so much about losing the sale that you don't take the risks which are needed to actually close the sale. Very frequently, this is from being shy about throwing out numbers to the client for fear the won't like the numbers they hear. some of this comes from not understanding the product/not having enough confidence in the product you are selling).

It's as simple as ABC.....

ALWAYS BE CLOSING!!

OY · 02-21-2005, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

And a few more

for the

uno · 02-21-2005, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vicki

sure
I think it helps that we've had so many of these clients under the other corp (domain name systems - domain registrar) so yes, and considering we just opened to public processing 3 months ago (have been doing it privately since 98) we've been VERY busy getting them handled. lol

When are you guys going to drop .com's to below $15?

uno · 02-21-2005, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vicki

I would add that we're doing alot of smaller owners too.
I think its because we have a good solid bank that doesn't require a miminum volume or perfect credit. Plus we're waiving visa fees and setup fees for another month so that helps a bit too lol

and no, I do not work for domainnamesystems, I only work for the ECS portion. I don't know anything at all about domains except that I own wayyyyy to many lol

nevermind.

ULVideo · 02-21-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

It's as simple as ABC.....

ALWAYS BE CLOSING!!

You win the set of steak knives.

ULVideo · 02-21-2005, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

On average, depending on how you cascade........

OK.... admit it.... wasn't that a better answer? (thx).

Drake · 02-22-2005, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

On a side note, there are plenty of reasons some of the big companies HAVE to use third party processors even though they could afford to do otherwise by owning their own merch account.

Far-L, what could some of those reasons be?

Ben.Z · 02-22-2005, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Why every site out there doesn't have at least two credit card join options, one checking join option, the ability to accept Eurodebit, Asian credit solutions, phone billing, dialers, and magic beans if you can find a way to cash them in, is totally and completely beyond me.

No doubt Kimmy!

It amazes me how many paysite owners there are that don't offer multiple billing options.

It's silly to leave money on the table like that.

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Zprogramz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,360	IMO having your own merchant account is the best situation for most. We run exclusively through Netbilling and have very low chargebacks. We use CCbill as a cascading backup. Z