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  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
    best designer on GFY
    • Mar 2003
    • 30307

    #1

    Exagerated Industry

    With the recent news of all the past scams cmming out now...

    The big earnings touted since even 2000, ya think that without the scam numbers being added to the total take that this industry makes every year is over rated?

    How much does Legit biz in the industry make without the scam's being added?

    I must say if ya think about it, not only is this industry over saturated it is most definatly over rated in the "Lucrative" department.
    The hype surrounding the wealth it generates is clearly a farce.

    So what ya think the numbers are now?
    IBILL is toast, the Mobsters are gettin locked down, processing is becomming a real bitch even for consumers...

    I honestly think there is far to much hype in this biz when it comes to the subject of wealth being generated from it.

    Thoughts?
  • Fletch XXX
    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
    • Jan 2002
    • 60840

    #2
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    • JakeR
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      • May 2001
      • 1760

      #3
      Originally posted by Fletch XXX
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      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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        • Mar 2003
        • 30307

        #4
        AVN said once that Adult is a Billion dollar a year industry.

        Adult Internet is far from even a 100 million dollar a year industry!
        Far from it.

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        • Manowar
          jellyfish  
          • Dec 2003
          • 71528

          #5
          Originally posted by AlienQ
          Adult Internet is far from even a 100 million dollar a year industry!
          Far from it.
          No way. Just, no.

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          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
            best designer on GFY
            • Mar 2003
            • 30307

            #6
            Prove that it is not.

            Do the math, I have heard even the best affiliates programs are getting less than 70 Joins a day!

            Do the math with CB's and cancellations, bandwidth, staff etc...

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            • Fletch XXX
              GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
              • Jan 2002
              • 60840

              #7
              Originally posted by AlienQ
              AVN said once that Adult is a Billion dollar a year industry.

              Adult Internet is far from even a 100 million dollar a year industry!
              Far from it.
              you really need to leave the house some time.

              hustler, penthouse, playboy.

              yeah 100 million is all adult makes

              you that clueless?

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              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                • Mar 2003
                • 30307

                #8
                Thats all old money Fletch...

                Jesus get with today.

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                • Basic_man
                  Programming King Pin
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 27360

                  #9
                  So what? If you can make money from it, imagine the number of people who can do it at the moment ? This industry is big, maybe much more than you think !
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                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                    • Mar 2003
                    • 30307

                    #10
                    Even in those companies filings the internet segment is hardly there chunk of income.

                    Take a look sometime.

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                    • RRACY
                      Confirmed User
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 1393

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                      you really need to leave the house some time.

                      hustler, penthouse, playboy.

                      yeah 100 million is all adult makes

                      you that clueless?
                      I read recently that Vivid grosses 100 + million a year. Of course internet sales would exceed that easily. Although it seems it would much more difficult to calculate net sales.
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                      • Fletch XXX
                        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                        • Jan 2002
                        • 60840

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RRACY
                        I read recently that Vivid grosses 100 + million a year. Of course internet sales would exceed that easily. Although it seems it would much more difficult to calculate net sales.
                        Exactly, and lets not forget, Hustler bought VCA. Feeds anyone?


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                        • RRACY
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                          • Dec 2003
                          • 1393

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                          Exactly, and lets not forget, Hustler bought VCA. Feeds anyone?

                          That's funny because VCA is an old porn company that managed to stay together through the new millenium. I also read that Hustler does 400 million which would make good ole Larry the richest porn pusher.
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                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                            best designer on GFY
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 30307

                            #14
                            "(MarketWatch) - Hugh Hefner's Playboy Enterprises was among media and entertainment gainers Wednesday morning, as the sector began its eighth straight mixed session.

                            Playboy (PLA, Trade) rose 18 cents to $12.87 after the company said that Excluding a one-time fourth-quarter charge related to insurance recoveries, earnings would have been 26 cents a share, exceeding the average analyst estimate compiled by Thomson First Call of 16 cents, amid strength in its TV and online businesses, coupled with lower interest expenses.

                            Revenue declined 1.6 percent to $89.6 million, missing analyst forecasts of $91.1 million."

                            But again thats the entire company.
                            I am sorry maybe 100 Million a year for A COMPANY is huge, but think about other industries.

                            You can look at Mainstream SONY trading at 37 per share for example Grossing over 849 Million if you wanna bring out heavy weight names.

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                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                              • Mar 2003
                              • 30307

                              #15
                              A single Mainstream Movie nets Upt 25 Million in the first month...
                              At least the big ones. Take a look at IROBOT for example.

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                              • BRISK
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 12240

                                #16
                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                Do the math, I have heard even the best affiliates programs are getting less than 70 Joins a day!
                                I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 30307

                                  #17
                                  1. "Hitch,"$45.3 million
                                  2. "Boogeyman,"$10.8 million
                                  3. "Are We There Yet?",$8.5 million
                                  4. "Million Dollar Baby,"$7.6 million
                                  5. "Pooh's Heffalump Movie,"$6 million
                                  6. "The Wedding Date,"$5.6 million
                                  7. "Hide and Seek,"$5.55 million
                                  8. "Sideways,"$4.75 million
                                  9. "The Aviator,"$4.6 million
                                  10. "Meet the Fockers,"$3.4 million

                                  Within 1 week.

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                                  • polish_aristocrat
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Jul 2002
                                    • 40377

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                    Prove that it is not.

                                    Do the math, I have heard even the best affiliates programs are getting less than 70 Joins a day!
                                    I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                    • Forest
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2001
                                      • 9135

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by AlienQ
                                      Prove that it is not.

                                      Do the math, I have heard even the best affiliates programs are getting less than 70 Joins a day!

                                      Do the math with CB's and cancellations, bandwidth, staff etc...
                                      ive had over 60 joins just today from 1 webmaster

                                      and im only one of several sales people here

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                                      • TDF
                                        Triple OG nigga on GFY
                                        • Mar 2002
                                        • 27296

                                        #20
                                        this guy has to be a joke nick
                                        Sig heil

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                                        • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                          best designer on GFY
                                          • Mar 2003
                                          • 30307

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Forest
                                          ive had over 60 joins just today from 1 webmaster

                                          and im only one of several sales people here

                                          Hey I been wrong about alot of shit, I am just working with the big picture.
                                          Maybe 70 Joins a day is a bit low.
                                          But still do the math on pay outs and over head.
                                          I know ya do...
                                          Its an uphill battle, and a far cry from easy money.

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                                          • TDF
                                            Triple OG nigga on GFY
                                            • Mar 2002
                                            • 27296

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Forest
                                            ive had over 60 joins just today from 1 webmaster

                                            and im only one of several sales people here



                                            I will have to agree with this here.I have had webmasters send over 60 joins a day and we arent talking about big companies here
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                                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                              best designer on GFY
                                              • Mar 2003
                                              • 30307

                                              #23
                                              So TodamnFly you must have a house and Lexus right?

                                              Ya got alot of gold to?

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                                              • xxxdesign-net
                                                My hips don't lie
                                                • Nov 2002
                                                • 10129

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                Do the math, I have heard even the best affiliates programs are getting less than 70 Joins a day!

                                                .

                                                Dont forgot to add this quote above to that site also..

                                                http://www.ialien.com/dumber/


                                                lol

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                                                • BRISK
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                  • 12240

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                  Hey I been wrong about alot of shit, I am just working with the big picture.
                                                  Maybe 70 Joins a day is a bit low.
                                                  a bit low?

                                                  You think affiliate programs like Nasty Dollars or TCG only do around 70 joins a day?
                                                  I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
                                                  I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                    best designer on GFY
                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                    • 30307

                                                    #26
                                                    I am just trying to figure out what this industry is worth in a ball park.

                                                    I do not think it is worth all that it is cracked up to be.
                                                    I think its inflated and over saturated.

                                                    Crunching some numbers here and there is all.
                                                    But so far all I see is kid's not backing up with much information and shoving verse down my throat. I am fishing here. If you can only quoate me and spin get the fuck out.

                                                    Whats the Internet Segment of the adult industry actually making? This is a simple question aint it?

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                                                    • paxton
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2002
                                                      • 1156

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                      "...Playboy (PLA, Trade) rose 18 cents to $12.87..." But again thats the entire company... I am sorry maybe 100 Million a year for A COMPANY is huge, but think about other industries.

                                                      You can look at Mainstream SONY trading at 37 per share for example Grossing over 849 Million if you wanna bring out heavy weight names.
                                                      If you're going to compare the size of two companies, dont use share prices (that is meaningless). Your argument is better served to say that Playboy Enterprises Inc (PLA) has a market capitlization of less than $0.5 billion compared to Sony Corp (SNE) which has a market cap of approx. $35 billion.

                                                      As for heavyweights, I always prefer to bring out General Electric (GE), valued at over $382 billion.

                                                      Apples and oranges, anyway.

                                                      Cheers.

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                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 30307

                                                        #28
                                                        I will volenteer my own info as a designer and sme traffic.
                                                        The early day I was capping out over 320K+ a year.
                                                        Circa 97-99.

                                                        Now its far less. Drastically less.
                                                        I am talking like less than 120K.

                                                        I got indicators telling me to get the fuck out of this biz its becomming a liability while not earning enough to be worth while.

                                                        I got great clients and shit but still...
                                                        Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 02-16-2005, 01:48 PM.

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                                                        • Anna_O
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                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 5773

                                                          #29
                                                          You know that there are single affiliates out there who push more than 100 joins / day? Would say that 70 is a VERY low number...


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                                                          • tony299
                                                            lurker
                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 57021

                                                            #30
                                                            The people that make the big money in porn arent the vivids and hustlers its the Gm's and Att's and the cable companies. All the money none of the risk

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                                                            • MikeB
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                              • 2012

                                                              #31
                                                              *Exaggerated Industry

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                                                              • Doctor Dre
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                • 51692

                                                                #32
                                                                It's not because you don't make money, that there is no money in the industry fool
                                                                Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                • chodadog
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                  • 9736

                                                                  #33
                                                                  AlienQ, you're a goddamn tool. I remember Roger from pornkings making a post here.. Must have been over a year ago, celebrating that they'd broken the 800 joins/day mark (or thereabouts. I can't remember the exact figure). And you just know that Nasty Dollars are doing even more. Top programs doing 70 joins per day? You have got fucking rocks in your head, chump.
                                                                  26 + 6 = 1

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                                                                  • ADL Colin
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                    • 11929

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Funny joke!


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                                                                    • ace0r
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                      • 1410

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                      Now its far less. Drastically less.
                                                                      I am talking like less than 120K.
                                                                      so basically a has-been designer is feeling his bankroll dwindling, and jumps to the conclusion that the entire internet segment of the adult biz. is filled with bloated numbers?

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                                                                      • will76
                                                                        Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                        • 18037

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                        AVN said once that Adult is a Billion dollar a year industry.

                                                                        Adult Internet is far from even a 100 million dollar a year industry!
                                                                        Far from it.


                                                                        Ifriends alone grosses more then 100 million a year, a billion is definetly more accurate. How much do you think all the 3rd party processors were billing ? I bet all the people registered on GFY alone made more then 100 million last year combined.
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                                                                        • will76
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                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                          • 18037

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                          Prove that it is not.

                                                                          Do the math, I have heard even the best affiliates programs are getting less than 70 Joins a day!

                                                                          Do the math with CB's and cancellations, bandwidth, staff etc...

                                                                          i send almost 70 signups a day to clickcash just myself, 1 webmaster... LMAO at some of your comments here..
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                                                                          • reynold
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                            • 51271

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                            AVN said once that Adult is a Billion dollar a year industry.

                                                                            Adult Internet is far from even a 100 million dollar a year industry!
                                                                            Far from it.

                                                                            That sounds lucrative enough.

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                                                                            • JulianSosa
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                              • 3042

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                              Prove that it is not.

                                                                              Do the math, I have heard even the best affiliates programs are getting less than 70 Joins a day!

                                                                              Do the math with CB's and cancellations, bandwidth, staff etc...


                                                                              70 joins a day? Im sorry you have officially lost it.
                                                                              Affiliates push 70 joins a day SLEEPING

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                                                                              • Dagwolf
                                                                                President of Canada
                                                                                • Sep 2003
                                                                                • 23141

                                                                                #40
                                                                                I sense hostility, captain!
                                                                                Sleep well, and dream of large women.

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                                                                                • will76
                                                                                  Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                  • 18037

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                  I will volenteer my own info as a designer and sme traffic.
                                                                                  The early day I was capping out over 320K+ a year.
                                                                                  Circa 97-99.

                                                                                  Now its far less. Drastically less.
                                                                                  I am talking like less than 120K.

                                                                                  I got indicators telling me to get the fuck out of this biz its becomming a liability while not earning enough to be worth while.

                                                                                  I got great clients and shit but still...
                                                                                  Sounds like you are trying to justify your own exit. If you want to leave then leave. Sorry we are not going to lie to you and say " sure you are right most companies dont get a total of 70 joins a day, or sure you are right the adult industry doesn't produce more then a 100 million a year" what ever man... if thats what you think then already have your mind made up.

                                                                                  I started in 99 have done better and better every year... so why am i not dipping off like you and everyone else ? am I am anomaly? or am i possibly not buying into the shit that everyone prior too 99 has been feeding to everyone who has come since 99, which is there isn't much money to be made online now, and the good ole days are over... sure they are... keep telling my bank account that

                                                                                  three types of people in this world...

                                                                                  people who make up the shit
                                                                                  people who buy into the other peoples shit
                                                                                  and people who block out the bullshit and actually produce.
                                                                                  Last edited by will76; 02-16-2005, 11:14 PM.
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                                                                                  • Kimmykim
                                                                                    bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                    • 16015

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    DAmn, let the designers design, let the business people go on and not pay attention to them.

                                                                                    Things change sometimes in front of your eyes.

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                                                                                    • Matt_WildCash
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                      • 1699

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Alien you have no idea and that "top programs probably do 70 signups a day" commend made me burst out laughing.

                                                                                      Ibill was doing $800 million a year, Epoch & CCbill has got to be at least 1 or 1.5 billion between them in processing. Not counting all the merchant accounts that many of the adult players all use for their really huge programs.

                                                                                      No money to be made here please move along!

                                                                                      LOL

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                                                                                      • JakeR
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                        • 1760

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by will76
                                                                                        people who make up the shit
                                                                                        people who buy into the other peoples shit
                                                                                        and people who block out the bullshit and actually produce.
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                                                                                        • Thomas van de Koch
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                                                          • 468

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Sir,
                                                                                          Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                          I will volenteer my own info as a designer and sme traffic.
                                                                                          The early day I was capping out over 320K+ a year.
                                                                                          Circa 97-99.

                                                                                          Now its far less. Drastically less.
                                                                                          I am talking like less than 120K.
                                                                                          McDonald's is always hiring.

                                                                                          respectfully,


                                                                                          Daniel de Vico, Vice President of Sea Animals Entertainment


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                                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                            best designer on GFY
                                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                                            • 30307

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            This thread rocked.

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                                                                                            • spunkmaster
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                              • 2052

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              I do consulting for alot of adult companies and there are many doing 60-70 Mil per year that most on GFY ever heard of. I'm working with one now that does 700 Mil per year and I'm like shit I've been doing this 10 years and I've never heard of them !

                                                                                              My guess is adult is doing 5-6 Billion per year worldwide!

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                                                                                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                best designer on GFY
                                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                                • 30307

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                This is still a juicy thread.

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                                                                                                • GatorB
                                                                                                  The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                                  • 18208

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                  AVN said once that Adult is a Billion dollar a year industry.

                                                                                                  Adult Internet is far from even a 100 million dollar a year industry!
                                                                                                  Far from it.
                                                                                                  Are you stupid? Hell In 2001 Colorado farmers did $99 million in sales of potatoes and they were #10 in the US in that category. Sorghum is a $900 million industy yet porn is less than $100 mil? Who in the fuck eats sorghum? And yes I looked this shit up.

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                                                                                                  • zzgundamnzz
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                                                                                                    • Apr 2002
                                                                                                    • 6102

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                    Prove that it is not.

                                                                                                    Do the math, I have heard even the best affiliates programs are getting less than 70 Joins a day!

                                                                                                    Do the math with CB's and cancellations, bandwidth, staff etc...
                                                                                                    See thread.
                                                                                                    http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=454874


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