use your brain.

No it's not. You can have 100 paysites but if you know how to market them you dont make shit, but you still need to pay the hosting, take care of affiliates ect. You really dont have a clue.

Yup, but I don't make anywhere near that in adult... But then again I'm just getting into adult. I'm here to learn.

How much does it cost to make 20k a month?

Simple answer: -$ +time

Actually, this is very common. Many webmasters make most of their money on 1 or 2 methods. When those methods die due to technical, regulatory, or other issues, then the bonanza ends. This has little to do with sponsors. There are many sponsors but only a few proven traffic methods that generate gold on a daily basis. That's why it is EXTREMELY important to diversify your traffic source.

you mean like xanga and livejournal?

I can recruit and train a labor army to make that crew EVEN more $$$. Just lmk

yes, and blogspot and about 5 others.

Yeah, good site to stop by once a week or so. Always has some interesting, and helpful stuff.

not everyone can make that much
do the math..
take the number of porn sites and divide up the amount of money spent each year on online porn..

Exactly, diversify is key in this business :thumbsup

lol your a big head

20k is not enough.....

I believe in Darwin, this is a competitive business. Some people just don't got what it takes. I never got any help. And stopped giving advice too, cause 99% of them is just looking for the easy way.

then you're an idiot :Oh crap

sorry, nothing personal, you seem a nice guy, but it shows complete irresponsibility when you earn far more than your living expenses and you spend all money on toys and fun without saving ANYTHING

Competition, variation in goals, skills and ability.

Whatever your income, someone out there is probably working even harder to take it from you. There are more and more increasingly sophisticated companies with marketing reps, sales people, on-staff graphic artists, teams of programmers and customer service reps. In addition there is an endless flow of wild west free site owners adding to the competition at the affiliate level.


As a guy who has been up, down and then up again in this business the advice I would give to anyone is to not expect that your current income is going to last forever. Don't blow it all on women and toys. Build a good cash reserve for your business and yourself. Make it a goal to accumulate two years living expenses in the event you should need it. Make some investments if you can. Make a personal income spreadsheet that goes forward a few years showing income, savings and itemized expenses (auto, rent or mortgage, school loans, entertainment, groceries, TAXES!, etc). Assume your income will stay the same even if if you think it will grow. Stick to the budget. Make sure you are accumulating enough cash and assets to meet your goals in a timely manner. Underestimate income, overestimate expenses.

PS If your cash and assets aren't growing on that sreadsheet and in real-life you are open to a disaster.

Oh, yeah. And as start to make good money for the first time and you want to buy a nice car - cause most people in this business do - buy something 2 or 3 years old and save a lot of cash. Better to use that as a down payment on a house though.

Nice advice :)

I learned that the hard way. It's really easy to get overly confident in this business - especially as sometime people go from nearly zero income to tens of thousands per month just by learning a few things or even stumbling upon something.

Why doesn't everyone who's making 20k a month have health insurance?

Excellent advice :thumbsup

exactly, its way above stupid to spend all your earnings let alone what you don't have..

anyway the banks love people like him

Let me repeat-what would you be willing to PAY me to do for you, that would make money for us BOTH? there has to be some "dirty work"

Good advice, Colin. Diversification is key. Try to have both Adult and Non-Adult businesses. Online and Offline.

BTW, get ready for AAC's Feb 18 $100 per signup special. Should be Niiiiice

Because we are too busy thinking about money to worry about that

Sorry I don't spend a lot of time trying to image ways that I will lose money, I have a big imagination when it comes to thinking of ways to make money.

If you are talking about traffic source, yes it is stupid to rely on one source for traffic. But that is the person's fault for not diversifying and finding other traffic sources. As far as the programs you advertise, thats where I don't agree that is is bad to go with one company (all eggs in one basket).

Why isn't everyone making 20K a month ? easy questions to answert.

- Some people don't have the intelligence.
- Some people are lazy.
- Some people can not work for themselves and need to be told what to do/have no idea how to run a business properly. make bad decissions.
- Some people have no business skills and either burn bridges or blow money they make instead of growing their business.
- Some people have bad ethics.
- Some people make a few bucks and are happy with and have no ambition.
- Some waste too much time on GFY and prefer drama over money.
- Some people are ALL of the above.
- Some people have the right attitude but are in the wrong vehicle, ie. advertising a bad company or trying to start off with their own membership site.

Need more reasons, lol ?

Diversifying is only good to some extent. You need to FOCUS as well.

"Diversify AS MUCH AS YOU CAN" is NOT VERY SMART. There are tradeoffs in diversifying: You need to acquire the knowledge of a new field and keep on top of things all the time.

Example: TGP galleries + SEO + AVS = enough diversification

TGP galleries + TGP sites + SEO + AVS + EMAIL + Design + Coding = You'll get lost and never fully exploit anything, and get stuck at XXX - XXXX $

Diversify into 2-3 branches of the adult biz (SEO, TGP, AVS....) but not more.

Then diversify all tools and services as well: Hosts, Registrars, Content providers etc.

And of course a whole bunch of different sponsors, covering the whole range of existing payment processors, and including PPS and Revshare

And I do not agree that you should run on- AND offline businesses for the purpose of offline being a 2nd "basket". I think it is safe to say that the internet is here to stay, and no diversification on/offline is required

Colin knows his shit obviously, and is giving good advice to those of you who are making good money. If you don't listen to him then the next thread you will start would be " Why aint I making 20K a month anymore " .

I hear that shit all the time, people who make it then lose it blame it on the industry and not themselves. It's not that terribly hard to make it, it's a whole lot hard to keep it and keep making it. Sure you can hit a home run on an idea or technique to advertising, but people will copy you and do something better then you in no time at all, and if you don't keep reinventing your ideas every couple months you will lose income and like most people blame it on poor not being as porfitable any more lol.

blame it on **porn industry** not being as porfitable any more lol.

Almighty Colin - funny (not really but you get the point), but I relate with alot of what you said, who would it guess we had similar experiences in the past eh ;)

How did everyone do on the 18th? Good looking out, guys!

If everyone else made $20K per month what would I make? If I only made $20k a month I'd die

You nailed it on the head. Traffic information can't remain secret forever, the key is to selectively share and profit from the resulting innovations/fixes. Information is one of a number of things whose value EXPONENTIALLY EXPLODES if it is SHARED. That's our philsophy behind http://justtraffic.blogspot.com

there are alot of people with low post counts who make good money and are intelligent at what we do. others just mouth off.

great advice on savvy financial planning. thanks :)

:thumbsup Proof of that right here.

the ONLY thing post count means is how much time you spend on here posting. period. And if you have a large post count and 95% of you post are about your dinner last night or someone's car, etc... then you have way too much time on your hands and doubt you are making much money since you waste so much time with bullshit.

postcount doesn't mean nothing almost all the time (and when it does it isn't something good...)