Hey I need to see more hits from that campaign :winkwink:

Hit me up..let's change the text a bit :winkwink: 49409205

Thats what I was thinking. I will catch you tomorrow I need to get some sleep. Thanks :)

consistancy is the key... if you make 20K one month and then 5k another month u AINT MAKING 20/month... take fucking year of salary and devide !

its all about automation, ingenuity, innovation. you either got it or you dont.

dont you feel lonely ? :winkwink:

Yes, it doesn't take long to switch things but when you're dealing with one sponsor the whole year, making awesome money, spending it all like a retard and not saving any of it, then next month comes along and your sales drop to nothing it hurts badly. If Iwould have been smart with my money itwould not have been so bad.

Of course, all that money was made from TGP traffic so I couldn't just switch the galleries that were on the server. That would have taken forever andpossibly got me banned from many places.

This thread has been very informative if you can see through the who helps who and got fucked, and the pay cut stuff. Great thread Detoxed.

see my sig :)

"Most millionaires are well disciplines. They set their own high goals then go on to reach these high standards. More often than not they don't have others telling them what must be done. In fact one of the hallmarks of discipline is one ability to become economically successful without being given a roadmap. Millionaires make their own road maps and no one tells them what time to wake up or go to work." - Taken from the Millionaire Mind

I have yet to make a living in this industry but I will. Find something that works, improve on it and multiply it and be original.

Exact , i totally agree

I'm on my way to making $20k+ a month. And when that happens, I'll be working on making 6 figures a month in this business.

Actually, want to hear something great?

I have a friend who when I was curious about advancing into another arena of adult helped me out and showed me what to do - now because of a better understanding; I have a pretty damned good idea to make a lot of fucking money from this avenue of industry, and I am just waiting for him to come back online soon so I can lay it out for him and work on it with him. :thumbsup

I don't hide it, I divide it. :pimp

But that's my gift man, you show me the insides of something, and 90% of the time once I know all the angles I can turn it into something more efficient, more profitable and more enjoyable. So if anyone wants to include me in something secret, I'm pretty positive I'll think of a better way to do it or a way to make more money from it. :upsidedow

Awesome thread :thumbsup

As an affiliate its difficult.

But as a P.O its simple.

Working on that, however i feel a bigger burden, supporting 2 part timers and one full timer is a lot of responsibility, so I feel pressed to get something more long term, less vulnerable.

yeah it was a great time ... :)

I'm also made about 15K/month for a while many years ago. Now I'm just a poor lawyer...

I dumped my paysite in 99 when epoch was having problems and going for weeks without sending checks. I've been a professional affiliate ever since. Go for revshare programs and let someone else worry about the headaches of running a paysite and dealing with affiliates and all the other stuff.

use your brain.

No it's not. You can have 100 paysites but if you know how to market them you dont make shit, but you still need to pay the hosting, take care of affiliates ect. You really dont have a clue.

Yup, but I don't make anywhere near that in adult... But then again I'm just getting into adult. I'm here to learn.

How much does it cost to make 20k a month?

Simple answer: -$ +time

Actually, this is very common. Many webmasters make most of their money on 1 or 2 methods. When those methods die due to technical, regulatory, or other issues, then the bonanza ends. This has little to do with sponsors. There are many sponsors but only a few proven traffic methods that generate gold on a daily basis. That's why it is EXTREMELY important to diversify your traffic source.

you mean like xanga and livejournal?

I can recruit and train a labor army to make that crew EVEN more $$$. Just lmk

yes, and blogspot and about 5 others.

Yeah, good site to stop by once a week or so. Always has some interesting, and helpful stuff.

not everyone can make that much
do the math..
take the number of porn sites and divide up the amount of money spent each year on online porn..

Exactly, diversify is key in this business :thumbsup

lol your a big head

20k is not enough.....

I believe in Darwin, this is a competitive business. Some people just don't got what it takes. I never got any help. And stopped giving advice too, cause 99% of them is just looking for the easy way.

then you're an idiot :Oh crap

sorry, nothing personal, you seem a nice guy, but it shows complete irresponsibility when you earn far more than your living expenses and you spend all money on toys and fun without saving ANYTHING

Competition, variation in goals, skills and ability.

Whatever your income, someone out there is probably working even harder to take it from you. There are more and more increasingly sophisticated companies with marketing reps, sales people, on-staff graphic artists, teams of programmers and customer service reps. In addition there is an endless flow of wild west free site owners adding to the competition at the affiliate level.


As a guy who has been up, down and then up again in this business the advice I would give to anyone is to not expect that your current income is going to last forever. Don't blow it all on women and toys. Build a good cash reserve for your business and yourself. Make it a goal to accumulate two years living expenses in the event you should need it. Make some investments if you can. Make a personal income spreadsheet that goes forward a few years showing income, savings and itemized expenses (auto, rent or mortgage, school loans, entertainment, groceries, TAXES!, etc). Assume your income will stay the same even if if you think it will grow. Stick to the budget. Make sure you are accumulating enough cash and assets to meet your goals in a timely manner. Underestimate income, overestimate expenses.

PS If your cash and assets aren't growing on that sreadsheet and in real-life you are open to a disaster.

Oh, yeah. And as start to make good money for the first time and you want to buy a nice car - cause most people in this business do - buy something 2 or 3 years old and save a lot of cash. Better to use that as a down payment on a house though.

Nice advice :)

I learned that the hard way. It's really easy to get overly confident in this business - especially as sometime people go from nearly zero income to tens of thousands per month just by learning a few things or even stumbling upon something.

Why doesn't everyone who's making 20k a month have health insurance?

Excellent advice :thumbsup

exactly, its way above stupid to spend all your earnings let alone what you don't have..

anyway the banks love people like him

Let me repeat-what would you be willing to PAY me to do for you, that would make money for us BOTH? there has to be some "dirty work"

Good advice, Colin. Diversification is key. Try to have both Adult and Non-Adult businesses. Online and Offline.

BTW, get ready for AAC's Feb 18 $100 per signup special. Should be Niiiiice

Because we are too busy thinking about money to worry about that

Sorry I don't spend a lot of time trying to image ways that I will lose money, I have a big imagination when it comes to thinking of ways to make money.

If you are talking about traffic source, yes it is stupid to rely on one source for traffic. But that is the person's fault for not diversifying and finding other traffic sources. As far as the programs you advertise, thats where I don't agree that is is bad to go with one company (all eggs in one basket).

Why isn't everyone making 20K a month ? easy questions to answert.

- Some people don't have the intelligence.
- Some people are lazy.
- Some people can not work for themselves and need to be told what to do/have no idea how to run a business properly. make bad decissions.
- Some people have no business skills and either burn bridges or blow money they make instead of growing their business.
- Some people have bad ethics.
- Some people make a few bucks and are happy with and have no ambition.
- Some waste too much time on GFY and prefer drama over money.
- Some people are ALL of the above.
- Some people have the right attitude but are in the wrong vehicle, ie. advertising a bad company or trying to start off with their own membership site.

Need more reasons, lol ?

Diversifying is only good to some extent. You need to FOCUS as well.

"Diversify AS MUCH AS YOU CAN" is NOT VERY SMART. There are tradeoffs in diversifying: You need to acquire the knowledge of a new field and keep on top of things all the time.

Example: TGP galleries + SEO + AVS = enough diversification

TGP galleries + TGP sites + SEO + AVS + EMAIL + Design + Coding = You'll get lost and never fully exploit anything, and get stuck at XXX - XXXX $

Diversify into 2-3 branches of the adult biz (SEO, TGP, AVS....) but not more.

Then diversify all tools and services as well: Hosts, Registrars, Content providers etc.

And of course a whole bunch of different sponsors, covering the whole range of existing payment processors, and including PPS and Revshare

And I do not agree that you should run on- AND offline businesses for the purpose of offline being a 2nd "basket". I think it is safe to say that the internet is here to stay, and no diversification on/offline is required