Hopefully I can clear things up.

1. I averaged 100 signups a week with HSN for 16 months prior to Jan 4th of this year. That same traffic would generate me on average 45 Clickcash signups. No matter how many times I ran comparisons in blocks of 10k uniques from the same traffic source, I could always expect those ratios within a variance of only 3%. 100 signups with HSN gets me $2500, whereas 45 with CC pays me $1975, plus I get the rewards points and great webmaster support and promo materials from HSN. No matter how many times I tested the same traffic source with both programs, HSN always generated a higher $/unique which is how I compare all programs. Did you ever give HSN a serious try or did you just send all your traffic to CC the last four years because of the higher payout?

2. Yes, as of Jan 4th HSN now passes the surfer onto the ifriends backend, and ifriends processes the cc verify. The only thing that differs is the tour and splash pages and join page. Yes I've signed up directly with Clickcash, but ARS allows multiple test signups so it was easier to determine when things were not right. When you go through 200k+ uniques without ever having a gap of 100 uniques without a sale then all of sudden have stretches of 400, 500 and 600 hits when ifriends starts processing it became obvious that there were problems. These gaps would also coincide with surfers emailing me telling me they were unable to signup because their cc was denied yet there was nothing wrong with it.

Not going to post a link to another forum, but here are some quotes from other HSN webmasters doing test signups the last month with ifriends:

"I try to sign up and it says "Credit Card Invalid". There is nothing wrong my card and it works everywhere else on the net. I wonder if this is a common occurance."

"happened to me last week...4 different cards...all declined
funny thing is one did get charged $1.15 but still was declined....but no nothing is wrong"

"same thing here, tried again today with 3 different cards. all invalid."

Having been with Clickcash for over 5 years and have always promoted cams exclusively its always been apparent in webmaster discussions that ifriends processing leaves a lot to be desired. In any CC discussion there always are those webmasters who scream shaving. I do not believe CC shaves, I just think the erratic ratios at times caused webmasters to think something funny was going on. Unless HSN finds new processing soon, I'll be forced to send the majority of my traffic to Clickcash since its the same processing but higher payouts.

On a side note Will, I've had good luck sending to the incrediblecams front page. When I convert over to sending directly to the join page from my sites, are you having better ratios with the old ifriends join page or the newer incredible cams join page?

I could care less what you think, but please put me in my place and tell me how i started " slinging shit" ?

LOL please define "shill" and then I can answer that question for you.

I know reading is HIGHLY overrated these days but you might want to read my post again.

"So you mean VOLUME BROKERS ;) yeah that does open up a can of worms... now they dont give any official reponse to sites like that either. They don't endorse them, but at the same time they wont stop you from doing it... except if you get a lot of complaints... which is the same for any account. The VB guys were getting a lot of complaints from what I heard and it was out of control... as it was explained to me the account was eventually shut down because of too many complaints, and they were paid, and some the VB people didn't get paid contacted clickcash, and clickcash identified who they were and still paid them.... this is what i heard, I was not involved with any of this, but was around while it happned."

PLEASE NOTE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT TAKE THE TIME TO READ....

" as it was explained to me...." " what i heard " " this is what i heard, i was not involved with any of this.... "

SO what's your problem, I am just stating what I heard. I did not accuse you of anything. Like I said in a thread after that.... " he said she said, Only VB and clickcash will know the truth"

But once again your respones solidify which side i am believing.

My problem is with people that spread shit and dont know what the fuck they are talking about. I paid people out of my pocket and it pisses me off for you to come in here trying to get people to jump on your shit and smear my name in the process. If you dont know the facts why not just keep your mouth shut. There are alot of webmasters on this board that were with volumebrokers, and all they have to complain about is that a good thing came to an end.

Honestly, I did try HSN i guess about 2 years ago, maybe longer. I lose track of time, i've tried others here and there along the way to test them. Honesly, HSN did not convert well for me. They offered to pay me more, but i only tired it out for a couple weeks with a limited about of traffic and stopped. Maybe I didn't give them a good enough try...

I don't advertise incrediblecams. I have heard some people say they do well with the site, but i prefer to use 100% of my own designs. and i still link to the old signup page. Sure I see some streachs where signups might not come in for a couple hours, but i've seen that from day one with any program. I have personally never experienced the level of consistancy that you say you have with HSN, with anything I have done, ever. To consistantly get 1 signup every every 100 uniques, sorry but that can't be the norm. My experience in everything is more like get 1 singup for 200 hits, then maybe 500 hits 1 signup and then 3 signups in 100 hits... etc... erratic. how can you consistantly get 1 signup every 100 hits or less ? on 200K hits ?

1. People that don't know what they are talking about? I guess you missed again where i said " i heard" " it was explained to me".

2. I never said you did not pay people out of your pocket. I said I hear clicckash paid some of your people... maybe you paid some maybe they paid some, maybe you paid them and some went to clickcash and "dobule dipped" i don't know. But i DID NOT say you didn't pay them... read my post.

3. It is a FACT that I heard everything that i stated.

4. VB coming to an end was a bad thing for them? How you figure. Why can't they make their OWN clickcash account. Were you paying them more then clickcash payout, or the same rate. I honeslty don't remember. I know you had template pages and stuff but nothing that I am sure anyone "here" as you put it, couldnt make themselves. Seems like the only person that lost out was the ower of the site. You said everyone got paid so what did they VB members lose ?

forgot

5. smearing your name? sorry I had no idea who you were until now and i still don't know who you are. If you are really worried about your name then you should be more concerned with the way you talk to people instead of what I am posting i " heard". "Dip shit, bitch mutherfucker enemy, etc.." nice image.

I have experienced the same thing with HSN with the switchover to Ifriends. My conversion ratios tripled. Unfortunatly, I had to pull all my links to HSN because of this situation. I also pulled all of my Ifriends links as well. Ifriends could never compare to how HSN was converting. $/unique was awesome..

I cannot ever trust Ifriends with my traffic again after this whole fiasco. I don't believe that they are shaving.. but something just is not right with them. Seeing my conversions with Ifriends quadruple in the last few months... to HSNs downfall.. Im done.

Sure do miss working with ARS though. Patiently waiting for their revamp.

Will. No matter what you say.. People are not going to trust Ifriends these days. Its just too risky. Maybe you should put your energy into talking them into having an actually have a real webmaster program with actual support.. so some of us could feel better when things go rough or get some reassurance. That is a major problem.. and I think I can speak for others about that.

Im doing well with Streamate
by the way for all who need a new place to send your traffic.

We were paying $38 per signup no matter how few the people sent. At the time they would have had to send 728 signups in a week themselves to make more with the clickcash payscale on thier own account. But go ahead and think that all we did was offer them templates and the same payscale.

Why cant they make thier own clickcash account? Maybe because they didnt want to start at the bottom of the $10 payscale every monday when they could have $38 to begin with.

if you're so sensitive, then maybe you're at the wrong message board
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Hey Wash, its xxxbiz from the ARS board. I hear ya, I really don't want to leave HSN as they've been really good to me, but I think ifriends processing is going to drive me crazy. I'm hoping Marc De works out something and I respect his decision as this is business and didn't expect him to lose money because their backend wasn't producing.

I don't really ever throw the shaving word in relation to CC because I don't have any proof, but it seems many webmasters feel they do. I just know after what I witnessed first hand with their processing in January, it answered questions regarding my plunging ratios and concerns other webmasters have expressed for years with them. I feel that they control weekly signups from a cash flow stand point by tinkering with the processing.

I'll give mtree/streamate another shot as I did very well with them a year before I switched over to HSN. The conversions used to rock with them when they had tricams as their backend and the great promo material. When they left tricams and went to streamate my ratios dropped. Are you linking to their join page directly and are they still putting cross sales on the cc verify page? Their live cam teaser chats look like they will convert well.

I guess I've never seen the inconsistency that you speak of and what I've seen with ifriends processing. If they were using third party processing like all the other free cc verify cam programs then I wouldn't say a thing because there would be some accountability and no control. I'd be happy to show you my daily, weekly, monthly HSN stats for the last year to show you the consistency I speak of. Seems CC works for you though and thats all that matters, and its really a moot point to compare it to HSN because the old HSN no longer exists. Most CC webmasters I've talked to that send to the join page improved their conversions by a quick 10 - 20% by using the new incredible cams join page simply because the old join is so saturated and surfers are accustomed to clicking away when they see it.

busted...

not that I care about if you spam but that IS OBVIOUSLY FUCKING WHY you got termed...duh. which also makes me question everyone else that got termed that CLAIMS they did nothing wrong.

i wouldn't trust clickcash with my turkey sandwich, much less my income.

Wow, this thread has taking a turn.

Yeap, the spammers who get busted never have anything nice to say... and then there are the know-it-alls who hear rumors from the spammers and take it as fact... but 9 out of 10 times neither of them make shit. Go figure why.

Hell.. this thread STILL going on?? :-)

With the time wasted here on "Clickcash is evil" and "Clickcash shines outta my ass", you could have earned serious money! :thumbsup

Thanks... and i do earn "serious" money and it's with Clickcash... but what do i know everyone here is trying to tell me that Clickcash is a scam, i guess they know it all and i'm the idiot and my checks are fake, and my bank must be missing it ??

I,d just like to say that will76 did keep his promise ...and contacted clickcash for me ...guess what ..I actually got a reply from clickcash telling me that they are going to pay me for the bad checks they sent me from 2 years ago ...maybe all is good there now ??? anyway lets see if the checks arrive and cash first..if so I ,ll be well happy........if not I,ll be blasting even more for the false hope lol......stay tuned

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hey no problem, glad to help. At least you took the time to contact them unlike the other smart asses here who say " errr contact them, hehe why waste you time, etc."

Things are always on the up and up over there. There was that problem that affected you years ago, but other then that you have to ignore the shit here and just try it for yourself. Everything is fine at clickcash... just make sure to cash your check before i cash mine LOL just kidding :)


you'll get paid and please post again when you do :thumbsup

bump for everyone who thinks clickcash scams because some "ex" affiliate (who got busted spamming) told them so.

Will,

do you know if it is possible to sign up for a second CC account?! I am sending pure SE traffic to CC and I would like to test how CC is doing with TGP traffic on a different account...

this thread is still going

Sure you can, its ok to have more then one account.. but you really cutting yourself short by spreading it out of over two account. You will lose volume bonus money..

So basically I'm telling you not to signup a new account (persumably under me) because I don't want you miss out on the volume money.

Will,

thanks for the quick reply :)

Hey will...did my account ever finally show up under you? I signed up using your code but got your email saying it didn't show up under your account.

Would love to get down with this. Have about 25k a day I can throw at cam pages :)

tgcashin2 was the account name. Let me know and if now I'll reregister.

Send me an email please... and also include your gfy name so i know it's you. Sorry hard to tell who is who on here.

Thanks :thumbsup

Man its been years since i promoted clickcash. Alot changed?

They payout is a lot higher. $40 - $80

They have a new site to push, incrediblecams.com

There are over 2,000 girls on cam at any time now.

you can check out my site, i provide help and advertising materials to clckcash webmasters who refer me. (see sig)

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[QUOTE=washiez]I have experienced the same thing with HSN with the switchover to Ifriends. My conversion ratios tripled. Unfortunatly, I had to pull all my links to HSN because of this situation. I also pulled all of my Ifriends links as well. Ifriends could never compare to how HSN was converting. $/unique was awesome..

I cannot ever trust Ifriends with my traffic again after this whole fiasco. I don't believe that they are shaving.. but something just is not right with them. Seeing my conversions with Ifriends quadruple in the last few months... to HSNs downfall.. Im done.
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Hmm very interesting I did not know HSN ARS was sending all their traffic to ifriends.. Marc De contact me I wanna do a deal :) Thanks for the very interesting thread. I am learning a lot. ! I will keep learning till I take the undisputed top spot in the live cam biz !

No doubt you can do it Lars, just keep pluggin away.