clickcash ahh good memories

I had 2 checks from them totalling around 700 bucks,my UK bank returned them unpaid and stamped lack of funds in account,despite constant emails and no relpy ,I just gave up on them,If you can help me get what l.m owed I,d be more than happy to give them a try again and sign up under you,I was never termed or kicked from the program....just wasnt gonna work for free

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Mmm.. not good!!!

With all the comments from other people on this thread, it sure leaves open enough room for questions and, good reason to spread on cam sponsors.

BTW.. Why ya not file for the funds and claim all costs Tortoise? I don't matter if it costs $10K.. just add that to their 700 bucks! :-)

When I first entered the biz at 18 and started sending them traffic, they canned me for spamming. To this day, I have no idea why they thought I was spamming. My revenue came straight from my site at the time, Slapass.com. I sent multiple emails but never got a response. It was a strange intro to the adult internet business.

Hi Webby,In reply to your question..legal actions can get too costly..and ususally its a long expensive trip with no guarantees....I just wrote it off and moved on....I guess l,m lucky thou as it was and still is the only sponsor ever l have not been paid by.
For the last 2 years l have promoted streamray/Lars cam program and got my check like clockwork every 2 weeks(WHICH MEANS A LOT TO ME) ,I would have liked to have kept going thou with clickcash to have more than all my eggs in one basket so to speak

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I had the same problem back when all that happened. After 12 months I became really pissed in a GFY clickcash thread where a newbie twat was insisting that only scammers didn't get paid and they never bounced cheques. In the end I scanned and posted one of the cheques on GFY. 2 weeks after that the cheque was suddenly replaced :) If nothing else they do read GFY from time to time it seems. A lot of e-mails to various people produced nothing but a single post on GFY and I got results.

To be fair to them is seems the bounced cheque thing was just a one-off but once bitten and all that. Combined with the terrible support it took me a while before trying them again. This time I go in with eyes open and expecting the worst. That way I can only be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't happen :)

I send some traffic to them and will probably end up making them my number one cam sponsor soon. I've been promoting HSN for the last 18 months and did over 200k with them. No matter how many tests I did between HSN ($25) and CC ($40), HSN always gave me a higher $/unique despite the lower payout. Unfortunately that all changed in early Jan of this year when HSN was forced to abandon their old backend and switched to using ifriends as their backend. Along with using ifriends as their backend they are also using their processing and this has finally answered questions I've had about CC for over five years.

Immediately after the changeover in early Jan, HSN webmaster's ratios doubled and in some cases tripled and worse. Keep in mind, only the processing was changed and the backend, which the surfer doesn't see, and all promo pages remained the same. After doing 1/45 with HSN for well over a year, I now was doing 1/100 which is the same ratio I've had with CC for years. HSN webmasters had never seen ratios this low and it now became obvious that ifriends processing was the culprit.

HSN has had a mass exodus because of the huge drop in ratios across the board and unfortunately ARS hands are tied right now because they are having to use ifriends processing. I've watched my income fall in half overnight and am still using HSN even though I should now probably be using CC because of the higher payouts since they both have the same backend and processing. I've mostly stuck with HSN out of loyalty, rewards points and far superior webmaster support and promo materials in comparison to CC, but I may have to change if HSN doesn't come up with an alternative soon.

I've been a long time supporter of CC, they have always paid me on time and I never bought into the shaving allegations of many webmasters as my conversions with them have remained relatively constant. However, with the instant huge drop in HSN conversions after switching to ifriends processing, I began doing a bunch of tests to find out why and what exactly was causing it since my promo pages and traffic sources hadn't changed at all. I watch my stats daily like a hawk and began seeing large stretches of uniques go by with no conversions at various times throughout the week, something that I had never had with HSN in 18 months promoting them.

So over the last month when I started hitting these pockets of 0:300 or more, I would do a test signup through HSN frontend and it became clear what the problem was. Ifriends processing was either shut off or on super high scrub mode because none of my credit cards would work, I live in the USA and all my cards are used regularly. Not only was this my experience, but many other HSN webmasters who did the same thing. When ARS contacted ifriends to get a response, supposedly all ifriends told them was that their processing was on a hard scrub. This is the reason why ratios have fallen and why I'm reluctant to go back to CC, there is nothing more frustrating than knowing you are sending a horny surfer with a valid credit card and they're unable to signup. I know I should be thrilled at being able to do 1/100 with CC, but when that same traffic was doing 1/45 for over a year straight its somewhat disheartening.

Thats bullshit. Clickcash terminated our account because some of the people just couldnt play by the rules and not send out spam. They shafted us over $30k and we paid our affiliates out of our pocket. Get your fucking shit straight before spreading it around.

Sorry but thats bullshit...and anybody that has been around knows that...

Pardon me? Do I know you? I have never IM spammed. I don't know how much more clear I can be about that.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth..._Female+s pam

http:/www.gofuckyourself.com/showthr..._Female+s pam

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say what? :1orglaugh

None of those say IM SPAMMING

IM = instant message

Nope not IM.....

your joking rigth... :helpme

was expecting you to try to "dodge" this in a at least decent way :1orglaugh

I'm not joking... none of those links say anything about Instant Message spamming.

Tortoise email me your account name and email address you used when you signed up with them, i will certainly have them look into it for you ;)

Send me your account info and email and lets find out what happened ? deal ?

email me at will at teamclickcash.com

I just don't get the all the eggs in one basket logic, maybe i am the dummy. But it shouldn't take you more then about 1 hour to switch to another program so if you ever felt like somene wasn't going to pay you, you switch and at most your out one check ? same thing can happen with any sponsor you use so how is this a risk. At the same time look at the volume benefit of sending them all your traffic, it just makes sense to me to send it all to them. But what do i know??

i can assure you that you guys will not have problems getting checks, they had one situation few years back and they corrected it and still will correct it today if you did not get straight with them back then. And you are not going to get terminated for no reason.

Yeah in almost 10 years time, having paid out tens of millions to webmasters, they had bank issues 1 time. Cut them some slack, during that time people have been screwed by numerious affiliates and third party processors and they even the 1 problem, they made it right. There was no need to post it here, if this happened to you send me your account name and email and they will fix it for you. I doubt the read the boards, i am sure someone just passed the info along to them. I can't be the only loyal webmaster trying to help them.

he said she said, thats not the story i heard. I guess only you and clickcash will know the truth.

30K thats all your check was ??? i thought you were doing more then that as a group ?

100 ex-Clickcash affiliates

Same happened to me (with ratios)...ah, the Showcase...that brings back memories.
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LOL na half the post were mine! :1orglaugh

AOL Chat Rooms spam then...pfff :disgust picky about the type of spam lol

$30k was all we had acrued by wednesday of the week that we were terminated, dipshit. We were doing over $120k a week.

You dont have your facts straight but you're on here spreading bullshit and trying to get people to partner with you, yeah folks join up with this guy he's obviously a real business genius.

Will, what can you do to help others? Hit me up on ICQ.

Anyone have any luck getting in touch w/ Will on ICQ?

Yeah I talked to him on iCQ for a few minutes. Nice guy.

i made a lot of money with them, never had a problem with them

Chat spamming then. It's still spamming and clearly against CC's TOS. Why are you surprised that you were termed?

First of all I used ClickCash from 2001-2002 and I never sent them AOL traffic. They never had a problem with my traffic until after their checks started bouncing, and my ratio went to hell. Then they term me and several others I know. I was not mailing, I was not IM spamming and I was not sending them any type of AOL traffic. So, assume what you like... my traffic was good, ClickCash is notorious for screwing people; most of whom didn't do anything wrong.

Well obviously, my sales speak for themselves, and you can call me what you like, I am a professional, your comments speak "volumes" for the way you conduct your business.

Secondly, I am not trying to get people to "partner" with me like you were doing. I have the software and could easily do what you did, but I know that some people will spam and I do not want to take on the liability of trying to police hundreds of webmasters and hope they all play by the rules and not spam. My site helps people that signup to clickcash and refer me. I provide content, tips, advice, etc.. for free to them. If they choose to spam, well my ass is not on the line. TALK ABOUT BUSINESS GENIUS.... I wouldn't want to put the other honest webmaster's asses on the line by leaving my program open to the public and letting any person in who spams. TOO much to risk and not a smart business move, let one or two idiot spammers get the account shut down and jeaperdize all the other people's honest income. Clickcash looks at you as one account, which is what you were pretending to be, so you took that liability upon yourself and for everyone who joined your program.

MY facts are straight, btw... Just because they differ from what you saying does not mean I am wrong, but obviously one of us is wrong. I wonder who it is, the person whos account got closed mid week for spamming or someone that has been opperating without spam compliants for 4+ years? :thumbsup

if you make so much money with clickcash why would you want competition

There is a lot I do not understand about this post:

1. you stated you converted like 1:45 and made $25 a signup. Then HSN switched to using ifriends and it jumped to 1:100 and you made $40+ a signup... save to assume you made more then 10 signups a week ? So with clickcash you were really making more then $40 a signup.. well how are you losing money ???? You say " I've watched my income fall in half overnight " and " I know I should be thrilled at being able to do 1/100 with CC, but when that same traffic was doing 1/45 for over a year straight its somewhat disheartening. " Well do the math... your ratio doubled but so did the signup pay out basically so how did you lose half, you should have been making about the same ??? If you get a lot of signups you would be making more with clickcash because of the volume bonus.

2. So HSN handles the traffic and then pushes it to ifriends, correct ? i am not sure how this works... could there be a problem there... extra step. I have no idea. My point is there are several things could have caused this to happen, so you think you have it figured out but none of us really know. Have you tried just signing up directly to clickcash to see how that works and compare ?

" When ARS contacted ifriends to get a response, supposedly all ifriends told them was that their processing was on a hard scrub." so says ARS... who knows... Ive been told ifriends doesn't scub, so not sure about that one.

Bottom line is the bottom line. I will say this a million times conversion ratio doesn't mean shit. How much do you make a week, that is what counts. People get so bent out of shape trying to find the program that converts 1:50 ... but neglect the fact of the income potential. Who cares if your traffic converts 1:50 but it pays a hell of a lot less then a program that is converting 1:200...
For people who compare ratio from program to program, it's volume of traffic, how you count for the hit, etc.. do you prequalify them with entry page and then set the cookie on links or do you do it like I do and set the cookie on page load. Ratios ONLY come into play when you are comparing your ad campaign #1 vs. your ad campaign #2 that is both receiving traffic from the same source.

I know a lot of people who use them, have used them and continue to use them that have never been "screwed". Simply making that statement is ignorant " ClickCash is notorious for screwing people; most of whom didn't do anything wrong " so per you logic i guess i got lucky and it was "tails" when they flip the coin to decide whether or not to shut my account down for no reason.

GREAT QUESTION! :thumbsup

Thats the way 99% of the people here think, and the way I though for over 5 years. I became clear to me recently, there are thousands of people who have signed up to ifriends over the last 5 years and i referred NONE of them but yet the still signed up. I made zero money from that and i could be making a lot more if i would have been thinking this way all along. Also, I feel i am most beneficial to people who have existing sites and existing traffic. To most Surfers, cam sites are cam sites. I doubt "many" of them are members of camgirls, ifriends, imlive, etc... they usually stick to one site. SO all cam sites are my competition if you look at it that way. SO, I would rather you advertise clickcash under me and make more money with their program, with my help, then not to do it at all.

Another point is that the internet is large. There is a very good change that traffic from your site will never see my sites... how many people online now, hundreds of millions users, and i get like 25K quality uniques a day (no counting tgp/trash traffic). So if i would stay at this for a life time I doubt i would ever reach more then 10% of the internet, if that.

Also, building a residual income and helping people are two important factors.

It's a different way of thinking that most people, like myself for many years, could not understand.

you started slinging the shit motherfucker... you wanted an enemy you got one.

Is it just me or is this Will guy an obvious shill?? Sorry if I'm stating the very obvious :winkwink:

I want to see this fuckin bitch back up his claim that we didnt pay our webmasters and they had to go to clickcash for thier money.

I have no idea about your situation....it just seemed obvious from the very first post in this thread that the guy is shilling CC.