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LOL na half the post were mine! :1orglaugh |
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You dont have your facts straight but you're on here spreading bullshit and trying to get people to partner with you, yeah folks join up with this guy he's obviously a real business genius. |
Will, what can you do to help others? Hit me up on ICQ.
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Anyone have any luck getting in touch w/ Will on ICQ?
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i made a lot of money with them, never had a problem with them
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Secondly, I am not trying to get people to "partner" with me like you were doing. I have the software and could easily do what you did, but I know that some people will spam and I do not want to take on the liability of trying to police hundreds of webmasters and hope they all play by the rules and not spam. My site helps people that signup to clickcash and refer me. I provide content, tips, advice, etc.. for free to them. If they choose to spam, well my ass is not on the line. TALK ABOUT BUSINESS GENIUS.... I wouldn't want to put the other honest webmaster's asses on the line by leaving my program open to the public and letting any person in who spams. TOO much to risk and not a smart business move, let one or two idiot spammers get the account shut down and jeaperdize all the other people's honest income. Clickcash looks at you as one account, which is what you were pretending to be, so you took that liability upon yourself and for everyone who joined your program. MY facts are straight, btw... Just because they differ from what you saying does not mean I am wrong, but obviously one of us is wrong. I wonder who it is, the person whos account got closed mid week for spamming or someone that has been opperating without spam compliants for 4+ years? :thumbsup |
if you make so much money with clickcash why would you want competition
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There is a lot I do not understand about this post: 1. you stated you converted like 1:45 and made $25 a signup. Then HSN switched to using ifriends and it jumped to 1:100 and you made $40+ a signup... save to assume you made more then 10 signups a week ? So with clickcash you were really making more then $40 a signup.. well how are you losing money ???? You say " I've watched my income fall in half overnight " and " I know I should be thrilled at being able to do 1/100 with CC, but when that same traffic was doing 1/45 for over a year straight its somewhat disheartening. " Well do the math... your ratio doubled but so did the signup pay out basically so how did you lose half, you should have been making about the same ??? If you get a lot of signups you would be making more with clickcash because of the volume bonus. 2. So HSN handles the traffic and then pushes it to ifriends, correct ? i am not sure how this works... could there be a problem there... extra step. I have no idea. My point is there are several things could have caused this to happen, so you think you have it figured out but none of us really know. Have you tried just signing up directly to clickcash to see how that works and compare ? " When ARS contacted ifriends to get a response, supposedly all ifriends told them was that their processing was on a hard scrub." so says ARS... who knows... Ive been told ifriends doesn't scub, so not sure about that one. Bottom line is the bottom line. I will say this a million times conversion ratio doesn't mean shit. How much do you make a week, that is what counts. People get so bent out of shape trying to find the program that converts 1:50 ... but neglect the fact of the income potential. Who cares if your traffic converts 1:50 but it pays a hell of a lot less then a program that is converting 1:200... For people who compare ratio from program to program, it's volume of traffic, how you count for the hit, etc.. do you prequalify them with entry page and then set the cookie on links or do you do it like I do and set the cookie on page load. Ratios ONLY come into play when you are comparing your ad campaign #1 vs. your ad campaign #2 that is both receiving traffic from the same source. |
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I know a lot of people who use them, have used them and continue to use them that have never been "screwed". Simply making that statement is ignorant " ClickCash is notorious for screwing people; most of whom didn't do anything wrong " so per you logic i guess i got lucky and it was "tails" when they flip the coin to decide whether or not to shut my account down for no reason. |
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GREAT QUESTION! :thumbsup Thats the way 99% of the people here think, and the way I though for over 5 years. I became clear to me recently, there are thousands of people who have signed up to ifriends over the last 5 years and i referred NONE of them but yet the still signed up. I made zero money from that and i could be making a lot more if i would have been thinking this way all along. Also, I feel i am most beneficial to people who have existing sites and existing traffic. To most Surfers, cam sites are cam sites. I doubt "many" of them are members of camgirls, ifriends, imlive, etc... they usually stick to one site. SO all cam sites are my competition if you look at it that way. SO, I would rather you advertise clickcash under me and make more money with their program, with my help, then not to do it at all. Another point is that the internet is large. There is a very good change that traffic from your site will never see my sites... how many people online now, hundreds of millions users, and i get like 25K quality uniques a day (no counting tgp/trash traffic). So if i would stay at this for a life time I doubt i would ever reach more then 10% of the internet, if that. Also, building a residual income and helping people are two important factors. It's a different way of thinking that most people, like myself for many years, could not understand. |
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you started slinging the shit motherfucker... you wanted an enemy you got one. |
Is it just me or is this Will guy an obvious shill?? Sorry if I'm stating the very obvious :winkwink:
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1. I averaged 100 signups a week with HSN for 16 months prior to Jan 4th of this year. That same traffic would generate me on average 45 Clickcash signups. No matter how many times I ran comparisons in blocks of 10k uniques from the same traffic source, I could always expect those ratios within a variance of only 3%. 100 signups with HSN gets me $2500, whereas 45 with CC pays me $1975, plus I get the rewards points and great webmaster support and promo materials from HSN. No matter how many times I tested the same traffic source with both programs, HSN always generated a higher $/unique which is how I compare all programs. Did you ever give HSN a serious try or did you just send all your traffic to CC the last four years because of the higher payout? 2. Yes, as of Jan 4th HSN now passes the surfer onto the ifriends backend, and ifriends processes the cc verify. The only thing that differs is the tour and splash pages and join page. Yes I've signed up directly with Clickcash, but ARS allows multiple test signups so it was easier to determine when things were not right. When you go through 200k+ uniques without ever having a gap of 100 uniques without a sale then all of sudden have stretches of 400, 500 and 600 hits when ifriends starts processing it became obvious that there were problems. These gaps would also coincide with surfers emailing me telling me they were unable to signup because their cc was denied yet there was nothing wrong with it. Not going to post a link to another forum, but here are some quotes from other HSN webmasters doing test signups the last month with ifriends: "I try to sign up and it says "Credit Card Invalid". There is nothing wrong my card and it works everywhere else on the net. I wonder if this is a common occurance." "happened to me last week...4 different cards...all declined funny thing is one did get charged $1.15 but still was declined....but no nothing is wrong" "same thing here, tried again today with 3 different cards. all invalid." Having been with Clickcash for over 5 years and have always promoted cams exclusively its always been apparent in webmaster discussions that ifriends processing leaves a lot to be desired. In any CC discussion there always are those webmasters who scream shaving. I do not believe CC shaves, I just think the erratic ratios at times caused webmasters to think something funny was going on. Unless HSN finds new processing soon, I'll be forced to send the majority of my traffic to Clickcash since its the same processing but higher payouts. On a side note Will, I've had good luck sending to the incrediblecams front page. When I convert over to sending directly to the join page from my sites, are you having better ratios with the old ifriends join page or the newer incredible cams join page? |
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I could care less what you think, but please put me in my place and tell me how i started " slinging shit" ? |
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LOL please define "shill" and then I can answer that question for you. |
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I know reading is HIGHLY overrated these days but you might want to read my post again. "So you mean VOLUME BROKERS ;) yeah that does open up a can of worms... now they dont give any official reponse to sites like that either. They don't endorse them, but at the same time they wont stop you from doing it... except if you get a lot of complaints... which is the same for any account. The VB guys were getting a lot of complaints from what I heard and it was out of control... as it was explained to me the account was eventually shut down because of too many complaints, and they were paid, and some the VB people didn't get paid contacted clickcash, and clickcash identified who they were and still paid them.... this is what i heard, I was not involved with any of this, but was around while it happned." PLEASE NOTE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT TAKE THE TIME TO READ.... " as it was explained to me...." " what i heard " " this is what i heard, i was not involved with any of this.... " SO what's your problem, I am just stating what I heard. I did not accuse you of anything. Like I said in a thread after that.... " he said she said, Only VB and clickcash will know the truth" But once again your respones solidify which side i am believing. |
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My problem is with people that spread shit and dont know what the fuck they are talking about. I paid people out of my pocket and it pisses me off for you to come in here trying to get people to jump on your shit and smear my name in the process. If you dont know the facts why not just keep your mouth shut. There are alot of webmasters on this board that were with volumebrokers, and all they have to complain about is that a good thing came to an end. |
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Honestly, I did try HSN i guess about 2 years ago, maybe longer. I lose track of time, i've tried others here and there along the way to test them. Honesly, HSN did not convert well for me. They offered to pay me more, but i only tired it out for a couple weeks with a limited about of traffic and stopped. Maybe I didn't give them a good enough try... I don't advertise incrediblecams. I have heard some people say they do well with the site, but i prefer to use 100% of my own designs. and i still link to the old signup page. Sure I see some streachs where signups might not come in for a couple hours, but i've seen that from day one with any program. I have personally never experienced the level of consistancy that you say you have with HSN, with anything I have done, ever. To consistantly get 1 signup every every 100 uniques, sorry but that can't be the norm. My experience in everything is more like get 1 singup for 200 hits, then maybe 500 hits 1 signup and then 3 signups in 100 hits... etc... erratic. how can you consistantly get 1 signup every 100 hits or less ? on 200K hits ? |
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1. People that don't know what they are talking about? I guess you missed again where i said " i heard" " it was explained to me". 2. I never said you did not pay people out of your pocket. I said I hear clicckash paid some of your people... maybe you paid some maybe they paid some, maybe you paid them and some went to clickcash and "dobule dipped" i don't know. But i DID NOT say you didn't pay them... read my post. 3. It is a FACT that I heard everything that i stated. 4. VB coming to an end was a bad thing for them? How you figure. Why can't they make their OWN clickcash account. Were you paying them more then clickcash payout, or the same rate. I honeslty don't remember. I know you had template pages and stuff but nothing that I am sure anyone "here" as you put it, couldnt make themselves. Seems like the only person that lost out was the ower of the site. You said everyone got paid so what did they VB members lose ? |
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5. smearing your name? sorry I had no idea who you were until now and i still don't know who you are. If you are really worried about your name then you should be more concerned with the way you talk to people instead of what I am posting i " heard". "Dip shit, bitch mutherfucker enemy, etc.." nice image. |
I have experienced the same thing with HSN with the switchover to Ifriends. My conversion ratios tripled. Unfortunatly, I had to pull all my links to HSN because of this situation. I also pulled all of my Ifriends links as well. Ifriends could never compare to how HSN was converting. $/unique was awesome..
I cannot ever trust Ifriends with my traffic again after this whole fiasco. I don't believe that they are shaving.. but something just is not right with them. Seeing my conversions with Ifriends quadruple in the last few months... to HSNs downfall.. Im done. Sure do miss working with ARS though. Patiently waiting for their revamp. Will. No matter what you say.. People are not going to trust Ifriends these days. Its just too risky. Maybe you should put your energy into talking them into having an actually have a real webmaster program with actual support.. so some of us could feel better when things go rough or get some reassurance. That is a major problem.. and I think I can speak for others about that. Im doing well with Streamate by the way for all who need a new place to send your traffic. |
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We were paying $38 per signup no matter how few the people sent. At the time they would have had to send 728 signups in a week themselves to make more with the clickcash payscale on thier own account. But go ahead and think that all we did was offer them templates and the same payscale. Why cant they make thier own clickcash account? Maybe because they didnt want to start at the bottom of the $10 payscale every monday when they could have $38 to begin with. |
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I don't really ever throw the shaving word in relation to CC because I don't have any proof, but it seems many webmasters feel they do. I just know after what I witnessed first hand with their processing in January, it answered questions regarding my plunging ratios and concerns other webmasters have expressed for years with them. I feel that they control weekly signups from a cash flow stand point by tinkering with the processing. I'll give mtree/streamate another shot as I did very well with them a year before I switched over to HSN. The conversions used to rock with them when they had tricams as their backend and the great promo material. When they left tricams and went to streamate my ratios dropped. Are you linking to their join page directly and are they still putting cross sales on the cc verify page? Their live cam teaser chats look like they will convert well. |
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busted... not that I care about if you spam but that IS OBVIOUSLY FUCKING WHY you got termed...duh. which also makes me question everyone else that got termed that CLAIMS they did nothing wrong. |
i wouldn't trust clickcash with my turkey sandwich, much less my income.
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Wow, this thread has taking a turn.
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Yeap, the spammers who get busted never have anything nice to say... and then there are the know-it-alls who hear rumors from the spammers and take it as fact... but 9 out of 10 times neither of them make shit. Go figure why. |
Hell.. this thread STILL going on?? :-)
With the time wasted here on "Clickcash is evil" and "Clickcash shines outta my ass", you could have earned serious money! :thumbsup |
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I,d just like to say that will76 did keep his promise ...and contacted clickcash for me ...guess what ..I actually got a reply from clickcash telling me that they are going to pay me for the bad checks they sent me from 2 years ago ...maybe all is good there now ??? anyway lets see if the checks arrive and cash first..if so I ,ll be well happy........if not I,ll be blasting even more for the false hope lol......stay tuned
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Things are always on the up and up over there. There was that problem that affected you years ago, but other then that you have to ignore the shit here and just try it for yourself. Everything is fine at clickcash... just make sure to cash your check before i cash mine LOL just kidding :) you'll get paid and please post again when you do :thumbsup |
bump for everyone who thinks clickcash scams because some "ex" affiliate (who got busted spamming) told them so.
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do you know if it is possible to sign up for a second CC account?! I am sending pure SE traffic to CC and I would like to test how CC is doing with TGP traffic on a different account... |
this thread is still going
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Sure you can, its ok to have more then one account.. but you really cutting yourself short by spreading it out of over two account. You will lose volume bonus money.. So basically I'm telling you not to signup a new account (persumably under me) because I don't want you miss out on the volume money. |
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thanks for the quick reply :) |
Hey will...did my account ever finally show up under you? I signed up using your code but got your email saying it didn't show up under your account.
Would love to get down with this. Have about 25k a day I can throw at cam pages :) tgcashin2 was the account name. Let me know and if now I'll reregister. |
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Send me an email please... and also include your gfy name so i know it's you. Sorry hard to tell who is who on here. Thanks :thumbsup |
Man its been years since i promoted clickcash. Alot changed?
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They have a new site to push, incrediblecams.com There are over 2,000 girls on cam at any time now. you can check out my site, i provide help and advertising materials to clckcash webmasters who refer me. (see sig) |
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