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woj 02-13-2005 09:30 PM

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ULVideo 02-13-2005 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls
Good comeback kid. Next time try forming a thought on your own, however difficult it may be.

Scanning this thread, I failed to come up with a single instance where you did just that. Care to point out all the instances I missed?

Holly Lez! 02-13-2005 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
I am not bashing you. I hope you have a happy life. I would hope we can be friends. I invite you if your so inclinded to do the research and make sure you get sources who are independant. I did. I like scientific stuff, I researched and researched so I could come to my decisions.

You are comparing scientific reports to gay peoples personal opinions. Is that really fair?

Although more cars than trucks are produced and sold in America, I talked with a bunch of guys at the hunting club who claim that more people drive camoflouge trucks. So we will never know which type of vehicle is more popular in the world.


Your experience as a gay person does not trump my exerience as a straight person. It is a common misconception that "bible thumpers" are ignorant because they are not tolerent of homosexuals. The bible has nothing to do with it.

The bible tells us that murder is wrong. If you dont believe in the bible, should you raise your children to commit murder?

My refference to John Kerry was because this was the last time the subject was discussed in the national forum. After john kerry publically stated that he believe people were born gay, he was publically proven incorrect.

The science doesn't lie, dont call me ignorant. Call the scientists who have disproven your theory ignorant.

I am sorry I did not mean to call you ignorant... You are entitled to believe what you read to be fact as I am entitled to believe what I have lived to be a fact... I guess I could be the exception to the science?

i hope you have a happy life to... :thumbsup

FunForOne 02-13-2005 09:37 PM

I really dont care one way or the other, I just like to argue.

You guys be gay if you want to. I'll treat you with respect. You can consider me a friend.

If you change your mind and choose to be straight, more power to you. We can still be friends.

FunForOne 02-13-2005 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Direct Holly
I am sorry I did not mean to call you ignorant... You are entitled to believe what you read to be fact as I am entitled to believe what I have lived to be a fact... I guess I could be the exception to the science?

i hope you have a happy life to... :thumbsup


I think I was replying to several threads. I was just to lazy to separate them.

ThunderBalls 02-13-2005 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ULVideo
Scanning this thread, I failed to come up with a single instance where you did just that. Care to point out all the instances I missed?


You're from the south, arent ya

ULVideo 02-13-2005 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
I think I was replying to several threads. I was just to lazy to separate them.

Isn't that the way most people post here? Take any of thier posts, stick it in any thread, and it has just about the same meaning.

ULVideo 02-13-2005 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls
You're from the south, arent ya

Fuck...I've been arguing with a postbot. Got me.

FunForOne 02-13-2005 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULVideo
Isn't that the way most people post here? Take any of thier posts, stick it in any thread, and it has just about the same meaning.


I'm sorry. I'm still learning. I'll do better

SuckOnThis 02-13-2005 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ULVideo
Fuck...I've been arguing with a postbot. Got me.

You consider this arguing? Obviously you don't know me very well.

But you are from the south, arent ya

jigg 02-13-2005 10:00 PM

it's not a choice

if it were, pussy would do it for me but it doesn't. I know guys who have forced themselves to have sex with a girl and they couldn't even get it up.

why would anyone want to be gay? Too fun to be discriminated against, and abused while in high school?

I'm not gay because I wanted to "belong to the cool group" and "fit in". In fact the opposite is true, I rejected any invites I got from that "cool group" to hang out at the pool and have fun. I just never liked them, didn't want to be like them.

Gay animals? Guess they chose to be gay too.
My neighbor's dog rejects all male dogs, bites and attacks if she has to. But bring her a female and she wouldn't stop walking after her, sniffing and wanting to play.
And the other 3 female dogs from her litter were the same way.
What? They all decided to be lesbian dogs when they grow up to piss off their owners? Right

I've never been abused, so that's not it. I was 4 and I'd sneak my grandma's fashion catalogs to check out the guys in swimsuits they were just interesting to look at.

What about my friends, some used to go to games with their dads and be heavy into sports, and still are. So it's not the "dominating mom", if it was then my boyfriend's siblings would all be gay, but last I checked his bro likes xtra large boobs and his sister even likes to see guys have sex with each other.

Ever read roman history? Greek mithology and customs? Initiating young men into manhood by having sex with the older warriors? Sapho and the island of Lesbos. List goes on and on

If sexuality were a choice, I'd like to ask why none of you straighties chose to be gay or bi instead?! Like for a couple of weeks to break the routine.


It is biological

FunForOne unchoose to be straight and become gay, how about that then. If it's so easy to just be gay do it

Peace

jigg 02-13-2005 10:12 PM

and you're a smocker because you CHOSE to put that cigarette in and puff to

look older
to be cool
to fit in

You CAN stop, if you CHOSE to commit. People do it all the time

if it's the environment that shapes who you are, then how can you BE gay if there are NO gays around you? Wanna be different?

ULVideo 02-13-2005 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls
You're from the south, arent ya

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis
You consider this arguing? Obviously you don't know me very well.

But you are from the south, arent ya

Somone just played his self posting under multiple handles.

gh0st 02-13-2005 10:26 PM

Yo, It's all about what you prefer I guess.. Some people just get horny and get their dicks hard and wanna fuck whatever they see most fufilling their appetite for sex. Maybe some girl because it's your friends gf and you wanna fuck her brains out, Maybe you like dudes and it's some dude you admire. Anything that intrigues you becomes the target for your dick to fuck. I don't think there is such thing as Heterosexual and Homosexuality. I think we have very basic minds like animals who are sometimes "gay" because they run up on the same sex and start humpin' the crap out of the first hole they find. The human bodies look mostly alike and a person is a person wither male or female. Maybe our hormones just tell us to find another human and fuck their hole to achive an orgasm. People that go around acting "gay" are just intimidated by girls and settle down with banging ass because they're little freaky weirdos that need attention, that's why they run around on some rainbow pride bullshit... Oh yea, Every girl is "bi sexual" and the ones that strongly deny hide the most attraction

gh0st 02-13-2005 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gh0st
Yo, It's all about what you prefer I guess.. Some people just get horny and get their dicks hard and wanna fuck whatever they see most fufilling their appetite for sex. Maybe some girl because it's your friends gf and you wanna fuck her brains out, Maybe you like dudes and it's some dude you admire. Anything that intrigues you becomes the target for your dick to fuck. I don't think there is such thing as Heterosexual and Homosexuality. I think we have very basic minds like animals who are sometimes "gay" because they run up on the same sex and start humpin' the crap out of the first hole they find. The human bodies look mostly alike and a person is a person wither male or female. Maybe our hormones just tell us to find another human and fuck their hole to achive an orgasm. People that go around acting "gay" are just intimidated by girls and settle down with banging ass because they're little freaky weirdos that need attention, that's why they run around on some rainbow pride bullshit... Oh yea, Every girl is "bi sexual" and the ones that strongly deny hide the most attraction


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mardigras 02-13-2005 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
I didn't, I wasn't born straight. Thats my point. I wasn't born with a sexual lifestyle.

I am a product of my enviroment. Wether you think its right or wrong, my envirnoment gradually shaped who I am.

As I became old enough to discover a sexual identy, my choices were to pursue the opposite sex.

I made that choice, you made a choice.

You were not gay when you were 6 months old. You developed those feeling as your environment shaped who you are.

A different environment might have made you a criminal.

Bullshit. You didn't "choose" the opposite sex, it just came naturally. Or are you trying to tell us there was a day in your life you sat down and said..."Dick... pussy... dick... pussy... oh what the hell, I'll go with pussy!"

jigg mentioned finding men in swimsuits in catalogs interesting at the age of 4. When I was 4 I found Burt Ward (Robin) "interesting". I got my mom to buy every Robin item we saw... shirts, glasses, even a costume. Anyone who saw me would have likely thought little more than "Here's a kid that's a big fan of Robin", but I understood years later that he was my first "crush". There was nothing unusual about my environment at that time.

Whether it's biological or psychological, it is not a choice.

Mogulman 02-13-2005 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by alexg
I'm asking seriously... Most people say that it's not a choice, but people are born homosexual.. so my question is, is it something that can be explained biologically? like they're missing a certein hormone, or have too much of it or whatever (I don't know biology..) or is it something psychological that have to do with their mind/brain? is there a certein answer for this?
can one be turned from homosexual to straight with the right treatment?

also, I'd like to know if someone can become a homosexual? or is it you either born this way or you're always straight... do you think that in the new millenium there are more gay/bi people then in the past, or is it just that in the past less of them have exposed themselves?

DISCUSS

I give credence to both sides. I have met homosexuals that decidely figure into one version and not both.

Centurion 02-13-2005 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Direct Holly
LOL well apparently there is no arguement as Funforone seems to be an expert on homosexuality... thank god for him...

Indeed..he is such a joke saying that when he was old enuf, he CHOSE to be straight, meaning he COULD have chosen to have been gay also.

And now how many OTHER straight people would be willing to post that they TOO chose to be straight?

It's another situation where someone brings up a subject to which they have NO real experience in, but want talk as if they do.

Centurion 02-13-2005 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
despite what GLAAD tells you, there is no scientific data that points to a person being born gay.


Don't read much more than the tv guide do you? :1orglaugh

SilverTab 02-13-2005 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief
Considering that homosexuality is found in nature, I would say that it's more natural than religious zealots like to make it out to be. There's lots of scientific proof of this type of behavior.

http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm
http://www.subversions.com/french/pa...e/animals.html

There have also been several books written on the subject. One that is particularly good, is Biological Exuberance : Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity, by Bruce Bagemihl. Interesting to check into.

exactly! homosexuality can be found in some animal species.....

come on...you eighter find brad pitt hot or you dont...or you eighter find angelina jolie hot or you don't....it's not a fucking choice LOL....

people used to think it was a metal disorder in the 50s...I tought people had evolved...

Centurion 02-13-2005 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne
Your experience as a gay person does not trump my exerience as a straight person. It is a common misconception that "bible thumpers" are ignorant because they are not tolerent of homosexuals. The bible has nothing to do with it.

The science doesn't lie, dont call me ignorant. Call the scientists who have disproven your theory ignorant.

1)If you TRULY believe that most scientific research supports your "position"..you are so very badly ill informed.

2)I always find it interesting when a person who ISN'T Gay(you..being straight) tells someone else (homosexuals)who THEY REALLY ARE, and more importantly WHY they are.

3)And damn..not for one minute will you accept the "testimony" of people that ARE gay who will tell you to a man/woman that you are full of shit with your theories!

SilverTab 02-13-2005 11:36 PM

" Researchers found that the concordance rate for homosexuality is highest among identical twins, lower among fraternal and lowest in adopted siblings. Such a pattern is evidence for a genetic basis to homosexuality... "


there's a lot of research on that!....

try to explain kids in high school beeing beat down because they're gay, that it's a choice!

alexg 02-14-2005 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion
So you chose to be straight instead of gay?

psychological doesn't mean it's by choice

FunForOne 02-14-2005 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Centurion
1)If you TRULY believe that most scientific research supports your "position"..you are so very badly ill informed.

2)I always find it interesting when a person who ISN'T Gay(you..being straight) tells someone else (homosexuals)who THEY REALLY ARE, and more importantly WHY they are.

3)And damn..not for one minute will you accept the "testimony" of people that ARE gay who will tell you to a man/woman that you are full of shit with your theories!



Yea, yea yea, We have all heard it before.

You are different, god made you that way. Whatever helps you sleep at night is fine with me.


Dont worry about modern science and what 99.9% of the population believe to be true, you must be right because you are gay and we are not.
And to say that becasue I'm not a homosexual, I cant comment on the reason is like giving criminals the option to decided if they are guilty or not. I didn't commit the crime, how do I know if he's guilty.


Sorry I interferred. I hope that marriage thing gets passed for you.

alexg 02-14-2005 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jigg
it's not a choice

if it were, pussy would do it for me but it doesn't. I know guys who have forced themselves to have sex with a girl and they couldn't even get it up.

why would anyone want to be gay? Too fun to be discriminated against, and abused while in high school?

I'm not gay because I wanted to "belong to the cool group" and "fit in". In fact the opposite is true, I rejected any invites I got from that "cool group" to hang out at the pool and have fun. I just never liked them, didn't want to be like them.

Gay animals? Guess they chose to be gay too.
My neighbor's dog rejects all male dogs, bites and attacks if she has to. But bring her a female and she wouldn't stop walking after her, sniffing and wanting to play.
And the other 3 female dogs from her litter were the same way.
What? They all decided to be lesbian dogs when they grow up to piss off their owners? Right

I've never been abused, so that's not it. I was 4 and I'd sneak my grandma's fashion catalogs to check out the guys in swimsuits they were just interesting to look at.

What about my friends, some used to go to games with their dads and be heavy into sports, and still are. So it's not the "dominating mom", if it was then my boyfriend's siblings would all be gay, but last I checked his bro likes xtra large boobs and his sister even likes to see guys have sex with each other.

Ever read roman history? Greek mithology and customs? Initiating young men into manhood by having sex with the older warriors? Sapho and the island of Lesbos. List goes on and on

If sexuality were a choice, I'd like to ask why none of you straighties chose to be gay or bi instead?! Like for a couple of weeks to break the routine.


It is biological

FunForOne unchoose to be straight and become gay, how about that then. If it's so easy to just be gay do it

Peace

I'm not saying it's a choice in all cases... notice that the initial question was whether it is biological or psychological...

for example, let's take two porn surfers... one likes pictures of really hairy pussy...the other is disgusted by it... do you think it's biological? they were born this way? I don't think so... I think it's because their mind is different on a psychological level... I believe it's similar about being attracted to the same sex...

FunForOne 02-14-2005 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mardigras
Bullshit. You didn't "choose" the opposite sex, it just came naturally. Or are you trying to tell us there was a day in your life you sat down and said..."Dick... pussy... dick... pussy... oh what the hell, I'll go with pussy!"

jigg mentioned finding men in swimsuits in catalogs interesting at the age of 4. When I was 4 I found Burt Ward (Robin) "interesting". I got my mom to buy every Robin item we saw... shirts, glasses, even a costume. Anyone who saw me would have likely thought little more than "Here's a kid that's a big fan of Robin", but I understood years later that he was my first "crush". There was nothing unusual about my environment at that time.

Whether it's biological or psychological, it is not a choice.


gradual. Thanks for reading and understanding.

Centurion 02-14-2005 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexg
psychological doesn't mean it's by choice

This is a "strawman" manuever using the word "psychological". What it really still means is: are you born gay/straight, or do you actually have a choice in the matter.

Your compadre Fun says he "chose" to be straight.
So I'm asking you the same question since you apparently do not belive you were born straight.

alexg 02-14-2005 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Centurion
This is a "strawman" manuever using the word "psychological". What it really still means is: are you born gay/straight, or do you actually have a choice in the matter.

Your compadre Fun says he "chose" to be straight.
So I'm asking you the same question since you apparently do not belive you were born straight.

have you read any of my replies?
try the one before this one...

Centurion 02-14-2005 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne
Yea, yea yea, We have all heard it before.

You are different, god made you that way. Whatever helps you sleep at night is fine with me.


Dont worry about modern science and what 99.9% of the population believe to be true, you must be right because you are gay and we are not.
And to say that becasue I'm not a homosexual, I cant comment on the reason is like giving criminals the option to decided if they are guilty or not. I didn't commit the crime, how do I know if he's guilty.


Sorry I interferred. I hope that marriage thing gets passed for you.

Oh man you're pathetic. No one said you can't comment. What has been said is that your comments are VERY uninformed. Look at the comment "99.9" of scientific research backs you. That's pure bullshit and you know it.

I sleep fine at night. It is people like you that are so damn determined to tell others that they really think this way and act this way because of what YOU know, that must stay up night thinking of new ways to prove their case.

You COMPLETELY dismiss the actual real life experience and knowledge that gay men & lesbian women have on the subject.

And yes, I would say they are FAR more qualified than you to make judgements like this.

sweetME 02-14-2005 01:45 PM

My opinion about this is that it's a psycological issue. Brain is a powerful tool.

WarChild 02-14-2005 01:47 PM

Recently, studies done in rats have suggested that it's more akin to a birth defect than anything else.
How would homo sexual people take it if it were proven soundly that it was a genetic defect? What if it could be reversed or engineered out? A "cure" so to speak. Would people in general start to treat homosexuality more like a disease than a lifestyle? Would practicing homosexuals elect to have their genes "repaired"?

LadyMischief 02-14-2005 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverTab
" Researchers found that the concordance rate for homosexuality is highest among identical twins, lower among fraternal and lowest in adopted siblings. Such a pattern is evidence for a genetic basis to homosexuality... "


there's a lot of research on that!....

try to explain kids in high school beeing beat down because they're gay, that it's a choice!


Yeah, I posted about 5 links to that kidn of thing earlier, but that Fun twit chose to ignore them all. At least not everyone is missing a clue.

ibill-fraud 02-14-2005 03:51 PM

Well i hear there is anywhere from 1-3% of the population that is gay.

So i was wondering, since there are many 1,000's of twins in the world.

How many of those twins is one guy/girl gay and the other isn't. That would certainly add some argument to the notion that it's a choice.

Just my thoughts for new Jerry Springer show :winkwink:

sherie 02-14-2005 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunForOne
I didn't, I wasn't born straight. Thats my point. I wasn't born with a sexual lifestyle.

I am a product of my enviroment. Wether you think its right or wrong, my envirnoment gradually shaped who I am.

As I became old enough to discover a sexual identy, my choices were to pursue the opposite sex.

I made that choice, you made a choice.

You were not gay when you were 6 months old. You developed those feeling as your environment shaped who you are.

A different environment might have made you a criminal.

LOL usually being a redneck racist is part of your inviornment. Being sexually attractive to someone is not. Your choice was not to persue, well unless you desired both sexes and "chose" to go for the opposite sex. I know men that are repulsed my the thought of having sex with a women and visa versa...Your inviornment theroy is ridiculous!

IwantU Bryan 02-14-2005 04:14 PM

[QUOTE=galleryseek]It is psychological. No one is born gay.

-Negrodaumas[/QUOTE

YUP :thumbsup

ibill-fraud 02-14-2005 04:24 PM

I don't think anyone is born to believe in Santa Clause or their god, it is forced onto them like being straight.

So I can understand the argument that it takes time for one to find himself and break away from the status quo even if it means that going against the majority.

Katty4 02-14-2005 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete
Its biological

Actually, 2 days ago i was watching a show about it and they say still they don't find any scientific proof that it is biological. So, let's see if they can find something nowdays.


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