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So you chose to be straight instead of gay?

I have fun laughing at people that believe they are smarter than everyone else. They sit around and make fun of people. No substance, they only repeat conversations they hear in other places that sounds smart. When you engage them to further the convesation, they cant, they blow you off by insulting your intelligence. Its very transparent. They hardly every realize that everyone knows they are the idiot in the crowd. One day it hits them.

Its going to hit you hard.

You basically just contradicted yourself... The reason there was alot of homosexuality in Ancient Rome or Greece is because it was accepted and to a point normalised. It wasn't because more people where born biologically gay at that time and place compared to other parts of the world or at different times. Just like straight men may turn towards other men in jail, etc, it has alot to do with the environment. However, I do believe some people may biologically been born that way, but it is obvious that the environment and conditions someone grows up in can definetly effect whether they become gay.

There is no, I repeat no scientific proof, supported by the real science community that proves any such gay gene or absence of a gene leading to being gay. ie.. being born gay

Some gay activist groups can produce scientist that say so, but I'm sure wako jackos lawyers will present "scientists" who disprove his pedofilia.

Like with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Anyone hear about the gay penguins at the zoo? Gay is a mix up of the brains its not a choice. Only the church pushes that choice crap so they instill guilt in the gays .Fear and Guilt there main weapons.

They(gov. agency) said that was a mistake.

Why the fuck would anyone choose to be homeless? They are ridiculed and looked down upon.

I could never choose to be homeless, the thought of living on th street sickens me.

Homelessness must be biological.

Same goes for us smokers. We cant smoke inside anymore. We are taxed like crazy. People dont want to kiss us or sleep with us.

People hate us. I dont want to be a smoker, but I have no choice.

I was born a smoker.

Trannys screwing genetic females in the ass must really confuse you.

Wow such ignorance... it never ceases to amaze me ... :(

Why the fuck would anyone choose to be you? You are ridiculed and looked down upon.

I could never choose to be you, the thought of being you sickens me.

Being you must be biological.

Obviously PerfectionGirls agrees with them.

thanks for proving my point.

I am gay and was born gay.....I wonder how many people saying this is a choice are gay themselves? Why would someone choose to be gay so ignorant people can make jokes, put you down and treat you like second class citizens? No choice was given to me...if I was given a choice I would have been born straight

If there was enough of the organize a parade, they would be asking for grant money just like other groups.

How did you participate in the gay lifestyle when you were 6 months old?

I think a lot of people here have no idea of what the actual difference between biological and non-biological is. I think that nasty "choice" word confuses them and we should stop using it.

I'm sure they already do.

The one's I "don't get": Transexual Lesbians. Let's see..... you're a guy, and you like pussy............ pssssst..... you're straight.

There are a bunch of people now that are getting past the years of their life where searched for an identity. They had professed themselves as being born gay. They now admit there is no such thing.

They are upset when the gay activists try to say that people are born gay or born straight.

How did you participate in the straight lifestyle when you were 6 months old?? I imagine you didn't participate in really much at all at 6 months so my answer would be the same... In fact it took me some time and lots of years to come to accept the fact I was gay and finally when I accepted it I participated in the gay lifestyle....I was born this way... Whatever expertise it is you think you have on this subject I would have to respectfully disagree with...

How did you participate in the heterosexual lifestyle when you were six months old?

It's NOT RIGHT...though I don't have anything against anyone who is!! I just personally don't think it's right be it biological or psychological!!

What others say or how they live their lives is not my concern... nor is it really relative... Nor am I a gay activist....I can tell you and my mother will tell I was born gay..

This thread is a total fucking joke. Here is a search on one of the biggest science journals Nature

"People aren't born smokers?" blah Holy shit.

more ignorance...
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I didn't, I wasn't born straight. Thats my point. I wasn't born with a sexual lifestyle.

I am a product of my enviroment. Wether you think its right or wrong, my envirnoment gradually shaped who I am.

As I became old enough to discover a sexual identy, my choices were to pursue the opposite sex.

I made that choice, you made a choice.

You were not gay when you were 6 months old. You developed those feeling as your environment shaped who you are.

A different environment might have made you a criminal.

Can't we stop arguing and go back to ganging up on the bisexuals?

LOL well apparently there is no arguement as Funforone seems to be an expert on homosexuality... thank god for him...

Seems like they are saying "we don't know shit yet".

It's funny, most of the people that believe its a choice are the same ones who are "bible-pushing" in other threads. Why can't you religous people "just live and let live"?

By saying its a choice, it gives you reason to say its a "wrong choice" and then you can proceed to hate another group that does not conform to your beliefs. :disgust

Dont thank me. Its not my research.


Ask John Kerry how proclaiming that people are "born gay" helped his campaign.

You went through them all did ya?

I am not thanking you...but apparently you care alot about this subject... I could care less about John Kerry ... I will say it again despite your expertise and the research you have read... I was born gay... given a choice I would be straight but hopefully I would be open minded enough to let people live theirs lives and not think I was an expert because I read some research report... As a matter of fact for every report you have to say it is a choice there are just as many to say people were born that way....

despite what GLAAD tells you, there is no scientific data that points to a person being born gay.

thought this might help some of you.

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Agree, but by saying it's biological, it gives you a reason to claim it's:

- a disability
- a minority
- any number of other "protected classes"

It also give people the sense of "I can't help it", and thee days people are way to quick to do that will all sorts of stuff.

None of the foregoing should be taken that I think it's a "wrong choice" - I have no problems with the "choice" and wouldn't try to change them if my son or daughter told me they were gay (Why is it tougher to be gay than to be black?). However, none of that - including that it doesn't necessarily have to be a "consious choice" - means it's biological. Just lik IQ - no one chooses to have a low IQ? Just like being a crack addict - no one "chooses" to be a crack addict? The list goes on. There's all sorts of suff which may or may not have some biological roots - but in the end very little of it is solely bilogical. Even people who have a predisposition to certain types of cancer.

GLAAD! Wow you do know alot about the gay life...Hmmmm I was wondering why you cared so much about this subject but it is starting to make sense now...lol

Shit that was the wrong search it only listed part of the abstract... I guess you did go through them all. If anyone is really interested in what is being done in the field of neurobiolgy and genetics with respect to homosexuality I can go to the medical library at UBC and dig up a bunch of info. Let me know.

Ummm, I think you proved his

I was going to be nice and not give you a bunch of lip back.........

Did your parents have any kids that survived?

HA HA thanks dude. I was a little humiliated when I went back and looked again. I'm usually a little more thorough when I make a post about contemporary moral issues. I will try not to post like a retard again:)

I am not bashing you. I hope you have a happy life. I would hope we can be friends. I invite you if your so inclinded to do the research and make sure you get sources who are independant. I did. I like scientific stuff, I researched and researched so I could come to my decisions.

You are comparing scientific reports to gay peoples personal opinions. Is that really fair?

Although more cars than trucks are produced and sold in America, I talked with a bunch of guys at the hunting club who claim that more people drive camoflouge trucks. So we will never know which type of vehicle is more popular in the world.


Your experience as a gay person does not trump my exerience as a straight person. It is a common misconception that "bible thumpers" are ignorant because they are not tolerent of homosexuals. The bible has nothing to do with it.

The bible tells us that murder is wrong. If you dont believe in the bible, should you raise your children to commit murder?

My refference to John Kerry was because this was the last time the subject was discussed in the national forum. After john kerry publically stated that he believe people were born gay, he was publically proven incorrect.

The science doesn't lie, dont call me ignorant. Call the scientists who have disproven your theory ignorant.

Damn, for a second there I swear I was reading an excerpt from Rush Limpball.

I believe for most that it is biological, but I also believe that for many it is a choice (they could be considered bi, but they only go for same sex)

What fun would that be?

But I'll admit that I didn't spend a whole lot of time looking over that list since I've actually already read most of the whole articles listed, and I rally would be interested in seeing the "whole list" which you thought you had posted.

Good comeback kid. Next time try forming a thought on your own, however difficult it may be.

Bisexual: somone who likes women as much as the next guy.